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Yes. No... shut up. :3
Debate Score:91
Arguments:66
Total Votes:104
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If God created everything, he created cancer. (And other horrendous diseases.)

Yes.

Side Score: 58
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No... shut up. :3

Side Score: 33
5 points

And aids and starvation and the natural state of constant suffering most animals have to go through in order to survive, and he created the somewhat corrupt system of animals having to consume each other to survive, then he gave a bunch of pointless organs that don't actually do anything , along with a bunch of genes we never use, then he decided to spread all of the resources in the world unequally so that the humans in one place will be constantly starving to death, then he decided to make 99.9999999 percent of the universe uninhabitable to life, then for the lulz presumably he did a shitty job of fusing the Earth's surface together so we have earthquakes, tsunamis, and volcanoes, then he positioned the Earth in such a way that its fluid atmosphere constantly creates hurricanes and tornadoes, then he created people with physical and mental disabilities, then he created some people without the capacity for empathy (psychopaths)......

And on and on and on ad infintitum.

Side: Yes.
2 points

Doctor: I've got your test results and I have some bad news. You have

cancer and Alzheimer's.

Patient: Boy, am I lucky! I was afraid I had cancer!

Side: Yes.

IF God created everything he created cancer. Yes this statement would be true with the IF word there. No one knows, but we humans might have even created cancer. Or maybe animals

Side: Yes.
1 point

Exactly, if God created everything, then it'd be obvious God created---well---everything, including cancer.

Side: Yes.
1 point

A thank you goes out to the coward who'd rather downvote me than tell me why my argument sucks. :)

Side: Yes.
1 point

As believing spiritual and a believer I would agree with that, yes. God created beauty and indifference is what came from this, the ying and yang of it; so I would say god created the wonderful world, and allowed cancer to happen. Perhaps god wanted a perfect world, and when he create us humans with freewill, it changed everything.

Side: Yes.
Cuaroc(8836) Disputed
1 point

What you're not going to say that humans created cancer?

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Side: Yes.
1 point

Humans didn't create cancer or disease (the general sense of it), humans were put into situations and circumstances and cancer and disease evolved due to reaction and action of the human. But, I wouldn't necessarily say humans created it, it just evolved. Saying humans created cancer is similar to saying that people die from cancer because our ancestors ate poorly and polluted the air. And while i don't entirely disagree with that, it's hard to say whether humans actually produced it ourselves versus an exterior force latching on to the human body, and the rest is history. It's a tough one.

Side: Yes.
skywh(104) Disputed
1 point

The concept of Yin and Yang is not a universal description of good and bad. It is one of the geniuses of Taoism. it describes two opposite forces but are not opposing but merely essential for existence by balancing with each other. Example: Push and pull effects. The concept is balance. cancer and positive well-being are completely opposing of one another. they dont stick together since we always try to avoid it! it is better to believe God never created cancer... your explanation makes no sense even from a religious standpoint.

Side: No... shut up. :3
Cuaroc(8836) Disputed
1 point

If god didn't create cancer how did it come into existence?

Side: Yes.
1 point

Sure! And he created hemorrhoids for all the lazy asses that sit in a chair logged onto CD 24/7! Be afraid people! Be very afraid!

Side: Yes.
1 point

Assuming the premise of the question, yes. Though it would be likelier that these diseases evolved from what god created and were not directly created by him.

Regardless, why are diseases bad?

Side: Yes.
1 point

If God created everything, he created cancer. (And other horrendous diseases.)

If he created everything, yes he also created the horrendous stuff. There is no denying to this statement, unless he did not create everything, then... I would change my mind.

Side: Yes.
1 point

Yes. If God existed, and he created everything, then he created every possible outcome. It's all part of God's divine plan, right? AIDS, cancers, car crashes, 9/11, suicide bombers, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, rapists, pedophiles, and pro wrestling.

That is only one example of why I do not believe in this God nonsense.

Side: Yes.
1 point

God created everything and have power over life and death. He decides whats lives and what perishes also how that happens. Cancer is bad because we cannot control it well note not everything is subject to be tampered with.

God shows his ultimate power when he heals people from cancer. Science disputes that and many people with limited knowledge doubt this.

So cancer is a disease/ famine created by God. There has to be methods of controlling overpopulation and proud people who think having money is protection from everything. They will find God when they discover he is the only one who can help thats where I come in. God did this for a purpose.

Side: Yes.
1 point

I think that God created pain and horrible things so that we appreciate the beautiful things even more. God doesn't just let things happen, he created pain for a reason. If anything he knew that if everything was lovely and nobody experienced hardship, it would become dull and be taken for granted. Beauty would cease to be amazing if we had nothing hideous to compare it to. And you can talk all you like about how God created horrendous things, don't forget he gave you so many more beautiful things than ugly. He surrounds you with the beauty everyday.

Side: Yes.
5 points

No humans somehow created it.

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Side: No... shut up. :3
Dremorius(861) Clarified
1 point

How so? Explain.

And what about the other nasty conditions, and parasites that are capable of killing everyone on Earth?

Side: Yes.
5 points

Because Theists like to have humans take blame for everything instead of god.

Side: Yes.
skywh(104) Disputed
2 points

Seriously...'Cancer is a man-made disease fuelled by the excesses of modern life, a study of ancient remains has found.

Tumours were rare until recent times when pollution and poor diet became issues, the review of mummies, fossils and classical literature found.

A greater understanding of its origins could lead to treatments for the disease, which claims more than 150,000 lives a year in the UK' Pity the parasites, scientist are working at a quicker pace than them.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1320507/Cancer-purely-man-say-scientists-finding-trace-disease-Egyptian-mummies.html#ixzz27UGCqfus

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Side: Yes.
NivaZimel(135) Clarified
1 point

God has the answer for every evil. But he does not work on our timetable, or march to our drum. When it comes time to do away with cancer and all other evils, it will be done.

People have lots of free will, working as well under various natural and spiritual laws that we have no control over. However, when we misuse, or try to break a natural or spiritual law it is to our own injury. You can deny the law of gravity, but if you go up on a high building and jump off you will still die. You can deny spirituality, but if you misuse your free will you will still die.

God, early on, gave man instructions and warnings as to what would happen if he chose disobedience--he would go back to the "dust, for from the dust you came."

Such consequences are the outcome, and self-punishment, of not heeding God's warnings.

However, God stil has everything under control, with the ability to undo every evil man can do. He works on his schedule, however, and has given us the tools to figure it out. Many people today ignore those tools. That is not God's fault. It is ours.

Side: Yes.
Cuaroc(8836) Disputed
1 point

Wouldn't he have to exist first ?

Side: Yes.
Free2Think(13) Disputed
1 point

If God created everything, then cancer and AIDS come about from the materials that GOD created. God is also omniscient, so He already knows what humans will be doing. That means if humans do things, he knows about it well before they happen.

In short, if God exists, he's responsible for everything on the planet.

That's why the God argument is a weak one. But that's another debate.

Side: Yes.
2 points

This debate seems casual hahah… what you said is a reflection of how you see the world, which can be a matter of perspective. Aids huh.. Then just don’t have unprotected sex and do drugs. None of those is any good anyway. Starvation? I prefer famine. In countries like Somalia, it is because of unsuitable climate and civil war. You are either a victim or the perpetrator. It’s a cause and effect thing. Help is on the way but their government is really making it difficult. You say animal suffer? You mean their way to survive and to keep the harmony of nature. How is it any different from us getting a job for food and not getting bitten by a vampire when entering dark alleys? Ive seen wild monkeys and they seem jolly happy. U may sympathize a zebra mauled by a lion but know tht the population of prey far outnumbers the predator. The chance of cubs’s survival at birth and wild are far lower than a zebra. Most prey tht fall to lion are either too young or too old. We may have pointless organs but studies show they may have purpose but we evolved from it. But it cnt just disappear u knw.. spread all resources. Tht wont be a problem since we have transport and factories. And isn’t it good if possible life out there is far from earth.. I would be worried if it was too close. Earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanoes are just natural phenomena. Most are predictable. It is only a problem when humans get too close to them. Physical and mental disabilities? One Australian dude had no arms and no legs but was a accounting grad, business man, investor, motivational speaker.. has a hot wife..great swimmer.. look up Nick Vujicic. Disable but capable. Now, as for mental do u know Albert Einstein was an autistic, the creator of pokemon (a famous animation franchise in japan) too and sting of musical geniuses around the world who is autistic also. When something seems impossible to us, there will be others who prove us wrong.. All the time. That is what life is about. With or without God. Oh i almost forgot, cancer. We all have cancer cells, they arent lethal by nature. Just dont smoke (pointless anyway and waste of money), have a healthy diet (its good to look good) and always exercise. It reduces the chance of cancer considerably.

Side: No... shut up. :3
Dremorius(861) Disputed
1 point

Lol what? Children who have been born with cancer suffer considerably.

If you're just gonna debate about how to avoid it, I'll introduce you to the reality that sometimes you just can't avoid it or remember how to avoid it while living life.

Living life worrying about contracting every disease is a life half-lived. Since people are not like that, people suffer cancer every day.

But we aren't debating about that aren't we? We are debating about God creating cancer, and how much it is a nonsensical inconvenience to the well being of society.

Think of the children! O:

Side: Yes.
skywh(104) Disputed
2 points

People suffer everyday but people are also happy everyday. Just because people have to suffer it doesnt mean putting a smile impossible. When you are a cancer patient u want nothing more than to live fighting. And that is where our humanity comes to the test. do week hide in the dark or do we seek out these patients and keep them happy. Like i said, it is a matter of choice. i do feel bad for them but its not gonna help by feeling sorry lol.. Like i said its a atter of perspective.. Go interview a kid with cancer and tell me what he will say isnt the same as me. btw, you are capable yet negative then u are no different from a cancer patient.

Side: No... shut up. :3
skywh(104) Disputed
2 points

The other day ive just listened to a talk by a speaker who specializes in encouraging creative confidence in people. Many perceive creative is an innate ability to do wonderous things that a selective few possess. However he assures them this is not true and when people start developing confidence they do things they never thought they can achieve. Once again, perspective. When he was diagnosed with cancer, the doctor said he had only 40% chance of survival. Life flashes through him and he though about his daugther, what will happen to her when he leaves. I could have taken care of her. But he survived.

Side: No... shut up. :3

No, cancer happened when a human had sex with a monkey, and it has been spreading ever since....

... maybe I'm thinking of something else.

Side: No... shut up. :3
1 point

haha, that seems more like AIDS... which originates from certan primates

Side: No... shut up. :3
Dremorius(861) Clarified
2 points

Gorillas, to be exact.

Since our bodies are so similar to a primate's, it makes it dangerously easy to contract, and give diseases to them.

Side: Yes.
2 points

I don't think so. I think that somehow, because of the way we live, the products we use, the plants we use for medicine, cancer cells were formed. However, I think that there's no point arguing over how cancer was created or who created cancer, and people should be focused on finding the cure.

Side: No... shut up. :3
1 point

That is why sometimes I hate this site. The other party gets more marks when what they have to way weighs so little.

Side: No... shut up. :3
ChuckHades(3197) Disputed
1 point

How can you be so sure that it is them with no weight, instead of yourself?

Side: Yes.
skywh(104) Disputed
1 point

Then I believe you havent read my post from start to bottom, especially the simplicity within the opponent's first argument. I am not that delusional.

Side: No... shut up. :3
Side: No... shut up. :3

Man created cancer. God only gave the result of such sin if it is done. An example would be killing a person. If a person kills, he is then directed to a life sentence due to the action he had committed as a form of punishment to turn away from sin. If he did not kill, then he would `t have to go to jail. Same can be said about cancer. If man lived healthy, he would`t have cancer. God gives us choices, it is our choice if we will want or let ourselves have cancer.

Side: No... shut up. :3
1 point

I don't know, I grew up thinking that, after Adam screwed up, God said "Your Mess, You clean it up." He stepped out of the ring, then chaos entered the world. Chaos like cellular mutations such as cancer.

To Religion's explanation:

I always assumed that (christian) God wasn't your generic nice guy. Don't get me wrong, I know he is a god of justice, but the bible says that he is a vengeful, a wrathful god, -as we see with Noah's story- BUT, he is also a God of order. In his original intent, Death (any form of "chaos", really) was not an option, as was his order. I only theorize that (in order to keep population under control) instead of dying, you would be taken up in flames like Elijah was, which would be a pretty cool way to go if you ask me. But, since death (or chaos in general) was never intended without sin, cancer could only come after the fall of man, the betrayal of God.

The fall of man was when it went to absolute horror. Spiritually, the authority governing earth (currently Adam or Man) was immediately handed over to Chaos (Satan, The Devil, Iblīs etc.). After a few thousand years of strife, in which God could ONLY LEGALLY INTERVENE THROUGH PRAYERS, Jesus came along and restored the authority to Man. But since man had now fallen from grace, we didn't know what to do with that authority, because only old, crazy Hebrews talked to God. so we, stupidly, started burning stuff. Now, I'm sure that we had been putting smoke into the air and bad stuff into our lungs LOOONG before Jesus, so let me get to that next.

To Science's explanation.

Carcinogens happen when things are burned, mostly man-made things, or things that weren't CREATED to be burned. (which in essence used to be everything, until after the fall of man, which then changed to sacrificial animals) or eating things that weren't CREATED to be eaten. (like bush-meat and Ebola, like raw meat and salmonella. When will we learn to not eat the weird meat and just eat the good stuff, like beef?) Cancer also occurs when we play with things that weren't CREATED to be played with, like Radioactivity.

When looking at carcinogens, you also have to realize that most natural, or organic substances do not provide solid carcinogens, in fact, we rarely ever see a natural substance ever produce anything reaching past a Group 2B carcinogenicity (list of groups at the bottom). This basically means that, unless you've got some odd chemical mixed in with your campfire (like red solo cups, please don't ever burn those) your safe to roast your hot dog with any burning flora.

After (Christian, once again) God created the earth, he saw it was good, he didn't create anything that produced cancer, he didn't even make mutations. Our disobedience is what allowed chaos into the world. Once again, Cellular Mutations like cancer are the genetic form of chaos, they never organize a thing, and they never make anything better, thus, God didn't create them, Chaos created them.

tl;dr,

Next time you're about to do something to a plant or eat something weird, or touch some uranium, ask yourself: "If there somehow is a creator, and he created this, would he have wanted me to do this" then walk away from the uranium.

tl;dr tl;dr

Never touch uranium.

Group 1: Carcinogenic to humans. (naturally occurring asbestos known as NOA are random, chaotic and not yet fully understood)

Group 2A: Probably carcinogenic to humans(Aflatoxins occur when you eat bad mushrooms. Why do people even like mushrooms? They taste like hair.)

Group 2B: Possibly carcinogenic to humans (Tannins and Cycasin. Both carcinogenic to rodents, but Tannins are found in coffee, tea and chocolate. I seem to be doing fine. Cycasin -contained by Cycad plants- are found in the daily diet of people in tropical regions. They seem to be doing fine.

Group 3: Unclassifiable as to carcinogenicity in humans (Cannabis [weed] is not fully understood in it's carcinogenicity, but we have our top stoners on the subject.)

Group 4: Probably not carcinogenic to humans (A lot of other stuff.)

Side: No... shut up. :3
0 points

When speaking in absolutes that can. It be fully tested and verified, I find that the truth of this statement cannot accurate. The reason is that we are not able to is that we would not be able to begin to understand the origins of how this research would begin.

Side: No... shut up. :3
LogicalMind(11) Clarified
2 points

I meant to say "that cannot be verified". Auto correct on iPhone is horrible... Lol now that's a good debate question!

Side: Yes.
1 point

Well true, no truth is absolute. So it comes down to who does best at convincing others. That is the whole reason behind debate..

Side: No... shut up. :3