CreateDebate is a social debate community built around ideas, discussion and democracy.
If this is your first time checking out a debate, here are some quick tips to help get you started:
Arguments with the highest score are displayed first.
Argument replies (both in favor and in opposition) are displayed below the original argument.
To follow along, you may find it helpful to show and hide the replies displayed below each argument.
To vote for an argument, use these icons:
You have the power to cast exactly one vote (either up or down) for each argument.
Once you vote, the icon will become grayed out and the argument's score will change.
Yes, you can change your vote.
Debate scores, side scores and tag scores are automatically calculated by an algorithm that primarily takes argument scores into account.
All scores are updated in real-time.
To learn more about the CreateDebate scoring system, check out the FAQ.
When you are ready to voice your opinion, use the Add Argument button to create an argument.
If you would like to address an existing argument, use the Support and Dispute link within that argument to create a new reply.
You can share this debate in three different ways:
#1
#2
#3
Paste this URL into an email or IM:
Click here to send this debate via your default email application.
Click here to login and CreateDebate will send an email for you.
Open to All, Imagine yourself to be God, how would you feel, what would you do?
Be as profane and insulting as you want to be, as bad as you wanna be like Denise Rodman. I will not ban anybody until ten different screen names are posted. After ten people have posted I will respond to each individually and allow at least one reply from each person after than.....then my ban hammer may eliminate all who are unreasonable after I responded to them. That means I will give you one response, and one final chance to respond reasonably to my replay before I ban you. If you remain in the discussion that far, I will then ask if you use any profanity that it be in your posts no more. I may or may not show leniency if your language fails from that point forward.
Ten people, even smilingboob and Grenadehead are welcome for now. I will not post here again until ten screennames have posted. Have at it, heathens and godly...enjoy.
If I was a God I would only have one race of people, no religions, women equal to men, free energy to power the city's so we don't destroy the world I've just bloody created, I would cure the sick, look after the good, destroy the bad help the animals thrive, take people on guided tours of the universe that I also created. I most certainly wouldn't sit back and do naff all! only make Adam and Eve! let my son die on a cross, flood the world! and allow the murder of children.
I thought the human race was one race, all people have the same blood, red, all equal and I though men and women were already equal. So you would allow only truth and no religion?
So you would give nothing but good things to every living creature?
Would you just zap all the bad things out of existence, and then force people to never do bad and cause bad things again? How would you stop people from doing bad thing and messing up your design?
I would use my powers to control bad people, with the power that gods have I would teach them a lesson first, remove a limb or something for a short while them once I think they have learned there lesson they can have it back, you cant stop people from doing bad things but you can show them a consequence of there action. a bit like the minority report I would stop them before they carried out the act or turn back time once they had, after all I am god so I have that power.
Good answer, thank you. I'll get back to this one later....for now, I have to check for worms like Jolie and Demon hunter who are not equipped to handle this discussion.
This is a huge change from the sarcastic satire you came up with as your imagination of what God would do and how he would feel.......remember, the one which inspired this discussion? Why the big change? You actually imply in these comments that God would be good and caring, and if you were God you would be good and caring. Why the change here? Why, when you imagine yourself to be God, are you being good and caring?
because at heart I am a good person and I know that's the way we all should be, but I only have a Sharpe tongue when I feel that response is required, but retrospectively that response should never be used by anyone, were all entitled to our own opinions and views and should never force that stance on anyone else, im more than happy to argue with you in a polite way but I can assure you we will never think alike or come to the same conclusion as we are opposite ends of a scale.
I noticed you haven't put your opinion down on what you would do if you were God? why don't you show your other side?
I can't imagine what I would do if I were God so I'm not qualified to post on that topic. I believe God's way are not my ways, I believe His thoughts are not my thoughts, I believe his strength is not my strength. I believe His was are much higher than mine, His thoughts much wiser than mine, and His strength far greater than mine. I cannot imagine what I would do if I were God because He is much to far above me.
Sometimes I think that if I were God, I would take all the Christians out of the world now, today, to be with Jesus forever, but God wants more Christians in this world and it is not my place to decide His timing. He'll take me out of here when He is ready, and I can't imagine what I would do if I were Him because I'm selfish at heart and can't think like God.
you don't have to think like him or be like him, just use your own interpretation of what you think could make this current world a better place or just create a fictional world with the perfect definition of your ideology, ignore the your faith on this one and embrace your imagination.
Ok, here's what I would do if I were God. I would take all who do not love me as I love them, and have them cast away into the Lake of Fire forever where they will be tormented, and the smoke rising will indicate they are there burning, and all who see it will know the end of rebelling against me.......and if they ignore and think they can get away with rebelling against me and going their own way to do their own thing, denying me of the honor I deserve for creating them, not thanking me for giving them life and all good things pertaining to life, lifting themselves up in pride to boast of their great intellect or skill, not thanking and honoring me for giving them the intellect and the power to develop skill, giving me no praise, honor, and glory I deserve for creating them......their choice will seal their doom and they will be left in the Lake of Forever in eternal death never knowing anything good as they sough to deny me as the giver of all good things...all good things will be removed from them. Now, if I were God, I would say to you, Mr. Mimimurph, I AM THE LORD THY GOD, RULER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH. SIN RULES IN THE FIRE OF HELL. WILL YOU BE RULED BY ME OR WILL YOU BE RULED BY SIN? HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW???
AND...........REMEMBER, MR. MIMIMURPH, I AM THE LORD THY GOD WHO TOOK ON A BODY LIKE YOURS, THE SON OF GOD COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN SENT BY THE FATHER, SINLESS AND HOLY FULL OF THE HOLY GHOST........I GAVE MY ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO PAY YOUR PRICE SO YOU CAN BE FORGIVEN AS HE CONQUERED DEATH AND LIVES IN RIGHTEOUSNESS TO CONDEMN ALL SIN TO ETERNAL DEATH IN THE LAKE OF FIRE. WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH MY SON, MR.MIMIMURPH. I'M ANGRY AT ALL SIN AS IT CAUSED ME THIS GRIEF TO WATCH MY SON MURDERED BY THOSE WHO HATE ME, NOW I HAVE RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD AND GIVEN HIM ALL POWER TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEAD AND HE WILL BE YOUR SAVIOR IF YOU TRUST HIM, AND HIS BLOOD THE ATONEMENT FOR YOUR SOUL SO YOUR SINS WILL BE COVERED AND I CAN PARDON YOU FOR BELIEVING IT IS YOU WHO DESERVES HIS CRUCIFIXION, AND HE WHO OFFERS YOU FORGIVENESS IN HIS RESURRETION. WILL YOU RECEIVE HIM AS YOUR SAVIOR, MR.MIMIMURPH? I WILL NOT WAIT FOREVER FOR YOU TO DECIDE, SOON I WILL CONFINE ALL EVIL, ALL SIN, ALL SINNERS IN THE LAKE OF FIRE FOREVER IF THEY ARE NOT COVERED BY MY SONS BLOOD WHICH PAID FOR THEIR SINS. YOU SEE MY SERVENT HERE, MR SAINTNOW, HE IS COVERED BY THE BLOOD OF MY SON, HE IS FORGIVEN, MY SON DWELLS IN HIM BY MY HOLY SPIRIT AS HE RECEIVED MY SON IN HUMBLE REPENTANCE OF HIS SIN AGREEIGN WITH ME ON MY RIGHT TO PUNISH SIN. WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH MY SON, CHILD OF ADAM? WILL YOU RECIEVE HIM AND BE BORN OF MY SPIRIT TO BE A CHILD OF GOD? IF YOU END UP IN HELL, IT'S ONLY BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO GO YOUR OWN WAY AND REFUSED TO BELIEVE ON MY SON TO RECEIVE MY PARDON AND HAVE YOUR SINS PAID FOF BY HIS BLOOD WHO TOOK YOUR PLACE IN DEATH AND PAID YOUR PRICE. ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME, THE LORD YOUR GOD? I LOVE YOU SO MUCH I GAVE MY ONLY BEGOTTEN SON FOR YOU,......WILL YOU BELEVE ME? DO YOU NOT CARE WHAT I DID FOR YOU? WHAT MORE CAN YOU ASK FOR? I AM THE LORD THY GOD.
You seam to have a lot of hate towards non-believers Mr Saintnow, you just need to feel comfortable with what you believe in and believe that the rest of us have our own fate in our own hands just like you, if you believe were all destined for hell then sit back with a smug smile on you face and be comfortable with the fact that you know where your going after death, your desire to convert the unbeliever only provokes a reaction you don't like.
I would never be able to convert you just like you would never be able to convert me, were the masters of our own paths, our destiny is there to be made.
I"m tempted to lovingly say "No, you idiot", but you have put up some fairly reasonable discussions with me so I'll appeal to your reasonable side and refrain from calling you an idiot. They hate me, I do not hate them. If I hold back from telling the truth, it would be unkind, apathetic, selfish in attempting to get people to like me when they need to be told they are in danger with one foot in the grave and the other on thin ice melting over the fire of Hell.
A lot of these people can't stop attacking me. Until they get off my back, I'm not going to be nice to them. If they want to show some manners like you have and discuss things reasonably enough to show me some common courtesy and respect, differing beliefs do not bother me. Some of the Hindu form of religion people have been the worst lately. Atheists are generally bad, but these Americanized Hindus/New Age goofballs are something else. Atheists generally believe in nothing after death, while Hindus believe they exist forever Hindus are harder to deal with because they know if they are wrong they are going to burn in Hell forever. Atheists don't care that much because they believe they will un-exist in death.
I do not believe anybody is destined for Hell unless they are determined by their own choice to remain in their pride, in their sin. God knows if they will end up in Hell, I do not. Maybe they can be persuaded to seek God's mercy, maybe not....but I know where they can find it, and I'm going to try to get them to know it. I don't like seeing people on their way to Hell. I'm not going to sit back with a smug smile and say....."yep, you are lost, dying, and wrong and I'm right". There are Christians today who have that attitude, and sadly it is spreading as it encourages a laid back and spineless approach toward sinners who are dying and on their way to Hell. Those smug cold hearted people who care more about going with the flow then they care about people going to Hell are Calvinists, or "Reformed Baptists".
I cannot convert you, but maybe I can persuade you to believe that God loves you and came down from Heaven as the Son of God given by the Father to pay your price in death so you can be forgiven of the debt you owe God in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, if you will repent of your sin and believe on Him and receive Him as your Savior. If you believe God, God will convert you. I cannot convert anybody. You have to care for yourself to be converted by God. If you won't care and you think you have a good chance of not ending up in Hell, then you will not care and you will only think of me as some kind of charlatan, and that's not my problem, it's yours.
you cannot convert me because God has converted me, and He is greater than you who are in the world.
Remember, for this discussion, as God it would be you who gives powers to gods. In this scenario, you are imagining yourself to be God over all, the only true God who created all things, and if you want to call some of those things "gods", that's ok.
It is the basic point avoided by atheists and Hindus.......we all understand that to be God, God must be the creator or all things. If there are other things called gods, they are created by God who gives them the power to be gods.......and they are not God. A god is not God. Atheists and Hindus use a straw man version of something that is not God, and they argue against their straw man proving it cannot be God...and they are right when they do that, but they will not admit God is the only God they really want to get rid of. They act like by saying He is not there, they make Him non-existent.......the epitome of circular reasoning proving their own fool headedness.
For this discussion, I'm asking every body to imagine themselves to be God, and talk of what they would do or feel as God. I banned two people for refusing to do this, one was a Hindu and the other is a form of New Age Hindu called Unity Church. They want to make themselves to be gods, they refused to imagine themselves to be God.
Thank you for participating and making some excellent comments on what you would do and how you would feel as God. Pardon me for preaching a little here, I'm trying to keep it down. I want to hear more clarification of everybody's ideas of what they would do and how they would feel if they were actually God.
Oh yeah, and I think one foul mouth guy I banned is an atheist whose language was abusive and I ran out of patience reading his posts waiting for him to respond after I made one last attempt to draw him in to the discussion.
So you would punish people in advance before they had actually committed a crime? Would there be anything you could do to stop the people from dying? People who have not committed crimes should not have to die, should they?
like I said if I had the power like the minority report I would punish them before because I have the knowledge of there actions before it happens, humans are controlled by fear more than any other feeling, so to punish one would prevent many more from acting.
Why allow them to be born in the first place, knowing you will have to punish them to keep them from doing evil? I agree, making people fear your punishment would be a good way to control them but what about rewarding them for doing what you want them to do?
Of course reward is just as important as fear I agree, you have to allow them to be born as were all products of our environment so if you create the right environment then percentage wise you should produce all good people! and punishment shouldn't be required.
First, if I went to all the work of creating a planet I would instill in its inhabitants the natural sense to take care of it! I would see that no disease could destroy my hard work, I would naturally limit the offspring to logical numbers that would not put a burden on natural recourses (no "Duggar" types!). I would see that anyone starting another religion .... wouldn't .... so religions wouldn't destroy my creations by the millions. I would show up, now and then, to leave no doubt about my wishes, (or existence), thereby settling all worldly disputes. I'd make women equal to men, thereby settling the dispute that one is better than the other. I would also not allow idiocies like "Humans co-existed with dinosaurs" to get started and I would insure that people understood what Galileo understood, that " I do not feel obliged to believe that the same "god" who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use."
THEN, I would FEEL like a "just god", and I could "rest from [my] great work." I would have no fear that charlatans would twist my wishes to control the masses and make up their own rules.
So you would force birth control, force ecology controls, you would forbid beliefs contrary to your own, and you would show yourself to everybody to let them know you are in charge. You would allow no disputes among people, and you would force everybody to agree with Galileo on whatever he said.
So you would deny people of their freedom as a dictator? But of course you would be a benevolent dictator, correct? And you would be justified in forcing people to do what you want because its for their own good?
First of all, I wouldn't "force" anybody to do anything. Importantly, I would leave no doubt as to my existence and I would let the society do the punishing according to IT'S laws. There would be no disputes among people as far as MY wishes were concerned, they would know EXACTLY what THEY were ... no new "versions", no opposing teachings. No, no dictatorship at all. As I said, society would make up its rules, hopefully along my guidelines and THEY would settle disputes among themselves. There would be no "hell". I wouldn't need it. If anyone did something bad enough to require punishment beyond societal, like a Hitler, for instance, who I would stop, for the benefit of "my people" BEFORE thousands were killed. People would WANT to follow me because I would give them freedom to make their own decisions, within reason, and they wouldn't FEAR me, FEAR a hell, and wouldn't be fighting to prove another "god" was better, they'd KNOW who loved them.
You somehow twist everyone's meaning to justify your position! I could not "worship" a "god" as cruel as yours.
I'm not trying to twist your meaning, I'm trying to understand your ideas.
Ok, so you would not force people to act right, and you would not stop people from doing evil unless they were like Hitler. You would not create Hell. People who know you would want to follow you, and those who go against you would run into societal laws and punishments IF society chose laws which punish people for doing things you do not endorse.
If people are doing things requiring societal punishment, would you be against the things they are doing? When they are doing those kind of things, aren't they going away from you and setting their own desire as a god they think is better than you? If they knew you love them, wouldn't they always avoid doing things which bring punishment from societal laws?
I am not trying to twist your words, I'm trying to understand you as f you were God, I'm asking you to explain yourself to me. I don't see how selfish people are going to be persuaded that you love them so that they would want to follow you rather than enjoy their freedom to not follow you. This is about your beliefs, your ideas of what God would do or how He would feel, if He were you.
Thank you for your comments, I appreciate you sharing here, and I would appreciate if you would clarify further for me.
How would you let people know that you love them when the flavor of their lives is embittered from the seasonings of evil, pain, suffering, and dying? How would you make them know you are God and you love them when you would have the power to stop evil but are not stopping it?
I appreciate your comments and will read and respond some more. I think we call all imagine ourselves to be God who created all things and is Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent, the self-existing eternal God. I think we have something in us which enjoys the idea of being God. I'm not sure that's a good thing, but I think it's in all of us. I was hoping more people would participate, but unlike your good comments many people have refused to participate by refusing to acknowledge God cannot be God unless He is eternal and self-existing, Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. I think the reason we can all imagine ourselves to be Him is because He made us in His own likeness, personal, reasonable, creative, communicative, and free to choose our actions.
Pardon me for going off a bit here, but I just wanted to say I appreciate your comments and will get back to them. If you have other thoughts to add on what you would do or how you would feel if you were God, please do so.
Help people how? Give them eternal life with no more pain and suffering? I thought we were already one race, the human race, all of one blood, so I don't think you need to worry about that unless you feel all people should be as good looking as me, and not varying in color.
"Give them eternal life with no more pain and suffering"\
Nope. They would have to die and some people would be in pain(when someone breaks up with them or a stray bullet hits them). All I am saying is that I would make sure that there wouldn't be any starving kids and hobos on the street. Of course the people would have to die. The earth needs more room. I will let them into heaven no matter what. Maybe put some levels in it.
" thought we were already one race, the human race, all of one blood, so I don't think you need to worry about that unless you feel all people should be as good looking as me, and not varying in color."/
Yeah well you see..... People do not see that. They see black and whites. So why not make everyone one color. hmmmmmmm.......... Purple ?
Wouldn't people become selfish knowing they have to die and wanting to be comforted as they are dying? Wouldn't they spend their lives trying to gain power to comfort themselves and comfort people they care for as they are dying, and wouldn't that lead to some people hogging the power and wealth while others are left with little or nothing? It seems that to be sure nobody is homeless or hungry, you would have to be a dictator. And why, if you are God, could you not provide food and room for unlimited population growth so everybody could be relieved from dying?
Wouldn't heaven be a mess with people who do rotten things like dump their partner or put stray bullets in the air so people get hurt? But you would let everybody into heaven eventually, and nobody would really have to pay for doing wrong, so they can do wrong any time they feel like it knowing they can drop down a level or two in heaven? and why should they care to get on a higher level? What level would you be on? isn't doing wrong fun or self-satisfying at times, and worth being on a lower level as long as it's not Hell?
So you would not care about pain or evil as long as everybody has enough to eat and they don't have to sleep outside? So you would basically be uninvolved and uncaring? Just give them all food and shelter and wash your hands of them and not care how they hurt each other with things like breaking up and stray bullets?
This is the Bestest answer so far! Two points for you.
Also, please know that the true Creator God, who is actually more feminine than masculine, in a Mother Nature sort of way, does not threaten with Hell. Orcsend people there. Those who go are actually outside of Her control, as they have been pulled into a different separate power source, a snare, from what we call Satan.
The condemnations of Hell in the Bible are manmade inventions to scare their target audience into submission.
You were asked to imagine yourself being God, to describe what you would do or how you would feel. All you have done is posted Unity Church teaching and promote your music. You are the only person who has flunked out here so far. Congratulations. You might want to use the extra time you have to do some head banging death metal music.
I'll unban you later tonight and give you one more chance to participate, and respond constructively to this earlier post. I'm really trying to not ban anybody....for now, you are on temporary ban in this discussion. If you will participate constructively instead of trying to take over and leave me out, I will not ban you.
Here's the opener for you to prepare a constructive response if you want to participate in the discussion here: if you want to participate, give it some thought and post your response later this evening after I unban you:
Ok, thank you, I think we understand that your church teaches that you are a god and can do good like God. The idea here is to imagine yourself to be the God over all gods. Put yourself in the top position and tell us what you would do and how you would feel as the God in charge of all gods.
You are unbanned now, if you want to contribute constructively to the discussion, Please imagine yourself to be The Lord God Almighty, Ruler of Heaven and Earth, and tell us what you would do and/or how you would feel.
Now I understand how you can judge people and tell them they are going to hell and how you compare yourself to Christ being crucified. You imagine yourself as God. Thanks for clearing that up.
..........can you imagine yourself to be God? What would you do, how would you feel? What would be your story of time, life, creation, existence, death, war, goodness? Tell us all about your ideas as if you were God.
I thought everybody knew who Denise Rodman is, famous for his motto of "bad as I wanna be". He was one of the world champ Detroit Pistons, nicknamed "The Worm" for his talent of dominating the board to pull down rebounds. His rebound numbers were the highest in the league. Not long after his stellar career and championship wins, he became a transvestite. Dennis turned Denise.
That was for the start, and I made it clear that I most likely would not tolerate profanity after my first reply to your post. You violated already, insulting me with profanity after your first opening post, and I really do not want to ban anybody in this discussion. This is the last time I will respectfully ask you to refrain from using profanity here. I would like to hear your ideas of what you would do or how you would feel if you were God. I've preached the gospel to all, you included, so I've done my job. I'm listening to you now, I would like your input here, but I'm not going to tolerate any more abusive language from you.
When I was a drinker, you would have gotten hurt if you got in my face talking this way. I gave you enough time to participate constructively, gave you far more courtesy than you deserve.
That's a sidetrack, I should not have brought it up here. Just wanted to make the point that people who act like that buffoon probably are missing some teeth or will be soon.
Thank you. It is important to stand firm on truth and resist evil. Jesus was very aggressive in bluntly naming and pointing out sins in people who were opposed to Him, and they found Him to be so attractive that they practically ate Him alive, they could not resist crucifying Him so they could watch His entire life.
Alcohol is poison, my drink of choice was stupidity. Now I drink from the fountain of living water, it fills my cup to overflowing, and it runs out on the ground around me.
If I were God I would know since I made everything then if something were flawed it would be my own fault and instead of torturing or destroying that thing for being flawed I would exercise love and compassion towards it.
I also would make religion clear. If indeed there were just one right religion I would tell the world emphatically what that is and go so far as to remind future generations convincingly. And if instead there were many acceptable religions then I would tell the uptight my way or the highway believers they've got it wrong. No god is served by absence and ambiguity.
And I would encourage all my creations to be the best that they can be, whether it's a camel learning to pass through the harshest dessert or a human being learning and observing about their world through science.
So you don't think that as God you could make things flawless from the start? And if things do evil, you would be kind to them and not stop them from doing evil? And you would have one right religion, and that would be the truth and not allow absence or ambiguity? And you would encourage excellence though flaws limit excelling? It seems like God is doing these things now, doesn't it?
"flawless from the start" - Then why does sin have to exist? God can make anything exist or not exist. And he can't blame people for being weak when he made them the way they are.
"doing evil" - the concept of evil only exists because the people made by God are weak.
"absence and ambiguity" - Yep. He is. He sends his son to one place and time and leaves it to secondary story tellers to somehow spread that to the world. And then the followers of religions based on his son split their understanding of it 200,000+ different ways and he does nothing and says nothing about it. And all the rest of the world still has other religions carry on and on. Pretty shoddy clarity.
"encourage excellence" - right, that's why you shut down all discussion contrary to what you believe? That's why we have to blindly obey ancient scriptures and can't question anything.
In reality your god is doing next to nothing. Which is why you have to keep banning us when we say anything contrary to your religious paradigm.
So if you were God, you would make flawed people, and blame yourself when they do evil things because that's the way you made them? So you would create people who would do terrible things causing pain and suffering to others, and you would not really care because you knew they would do that stuff and it's your own fault for creating them?
Remember, this is about what you would do and how you would feel if you were God, and it sounds like you would be angry with yourself for not being able to create flawless people who would not cause problems. You would encourage excellence but be unhappy because of people who don't care about pursuit of excellence and prefer gratuitous self-satisfying actions that hurt others in many ways and to different degrees?
So you would do nothing to stop the evil because you knew the weak people would be evil, and you would just sit back and watch the show?
No, if I were God I wouldn't have to make flawed people, period. I wouldn't need sin or evil to exist. I wouldn't need to make a hell to put bad people into.
And if I were God I'd have no reason to be angry with anyone at all, neither my creations nor myself.
This isn't hard Saintnow. God can make anything s/he wants and do anything s/he wants. Your effort to keep twisting this around the must answer of how to deal with sin only shows you don't fully grasp that a God can do anything. In fact, applying that reality to your scriptures you keep thumping, God still has the power to forgive and take into heaven anyone at all, even if they didn't follow your special scripture belief rules, as well as to send to hell anyone who technically followed the scripture belief rules but otherwise was a bad person. God can do absolutely anything.
So if you were God, you would make people incapable of doing anything wrong? Wouldn't that be forcing them to obey and serve you if they do not have the choice of flawed behavior? No flaws, no sin, no evil......no need for Hell.
I am understanding you correctly on how you would feel and what you would do if you were God?
You say it's not hard, but you're not explaining well enough so I know what you are saying. Please clarify.
If I made the world, no matter which parts were perfect or which were flawed, I would just let it be. I wouldn't feel the need to torture anyone over it.
This only seems hard to you because the only paradigm you can imagine is a God intent on sending sinners he made to the hell he either made or allows to exist. That's your paradigm, not mine.
So you would allow evil to continue and there would be no justice for the innocent victims. I think you would be a pitiful God, and I'm glad you are not God. My God is going to get rid of all evil so it can't harm me or innocent people any more.
You also would be a very poor designer since you would make things flawed. My God makes all things good and not flawed. To some of His good creatures, He gave freedom of choice and they flawed themselves by choosing to turn away from and against God in rebellion. They messed up Creation, and if you were God you would do nothing to stop the evil, not caring for the innocent, not caring for the honor of your own name. What a worthless God you would be. I'm glad you are not God.
No. If I were God there would be no evil to hurt you, period.
And what's this whole perfect/imperfect thing with you? Why is it evil or wrong for something to be imperfect by design? Deviations in sizes and colors of flowers are because of slight changes to the original, but that doesn't mean every new flower should be crushed and burned for not being exactly as the original.
And saying people messed up creation due to our free choice is absurd. God made us and God gave us that free choice. It's like a parent giving their 8 year old a lighter and saying now whatever you do don't light it. And then they do. And then the parent gets mad at them for ruining everything. Ridiculous.
You said you were going to make flawed things. So you will make flawed things that are not evil, and the flaws cause no pain and suffering? so what are the flaws you can be blamed for making?
So you would make things with flaws that are not perfectly beautiful, but their would be no pain, no suffering, no evil in the flawed things? So the flaws really would not be flaws, would they? Everything would be good. If they were crushed and burned, wouldn't that be evil as it goes against your work?
So you would make a world with no pain, no suffering, and no evil.....and that means nobody would have the choice of doing anything you disapprove of, so they would all be robots who can't think for themselves? Or you would just make them all mindless flowers and not people? Why don't you just get yourself an aquarium?
Again, so you will give your children no choice in doing what you want them to do. You will not give them the brains to make lighters so they can't play with them and cause a fire to burn you?
So you are saying that if you were God, nobody would be allowed to do evil and they would not be allowed to invent lighters? How would you stop them? Will you create people with frontal lobotomies from birth?
You are accusing God of making sinners. That is off topic. If you want to pretend that you are God, and as God you want to pretend that you made creatures to be evil, then pretend you did it and then you are the one to blame for it. You have to put yourself in the position of being God in this discussion, standing there representing yourself and your accusations against God is off topic.
Incorrect. Your debate gave me the hypothetical authority as if I were God and as God I can define and build whatever I want for any reason. It's you who have preset parameters in your mind for what that would mean to be God and now are quibbling with responders for not staying within your own parameters.
When you as a man sit there arguing against God, you are not participating as invited by the OP. You were asked to imagine yourself to be God, not to criticize God. The idea here is that you put yourself in God's shoes so that you allow people to criticize you. If you want to discuss your criticisms of God, take it somewhere else please. I'm not going to quibble with you as you try to make your own rules. I'm the moderator, you are not. Quibble somewhere else if you don't like it.
OK. Then thank you for letting me put myself in God's shoes so you could criticize me. Criticism accepted. I will not send you to hell for it. I will not tell demons to render you and violate you for all eternity for daring to think and question.
You lost me here, I'm trying to clarify what you would do and how you would feel if you were God. So far I get that you would do nothing meaningful and you would feel cranky about it. Is that correct? You sure seem to be getting cranky in this post.
Ok, let me try again to understand what you would do and how you would feel if you were God.
You would make some things flawless and some things would have flaws, and the flaws would be your own fault so you would only blame yourself for anything that goes wrong. Wouldn't that make you feel ashamed of yourself? Is that why you are cranky, because you feel like you can't fix the problems in the world and you have to blame yourself for being unable to fix things?
lol. Why is your understanding of God that he has to be mad or cranky? If I as God chose to make flawed things I would simply accept that they were flawed things. I wouldn't feel the need to torture them for it. And I wouldn't torture myself for making what I made.
So you would not care that you made flawed things? You would be indifferent to them? You are talking about what you would do and how you would feel as God and you sounded quite cranky when I asked for clarification of what you ware saying. Now it sounds like you would be indifferent to problems caused by flaws in people because you would blame yourself for creating them and let them suffer with their problems and say "oops, I goofed, oh well." am I understanding correctly?
..........can you imagine yourself to be God? What would you do, how would you feel? What would be your story of time, life, creation, existence, death, war, goodness? Tell us all about your ideas as if you were God.
This challenge is open to all, I want to see TEN different screennames reply before I begin replying. I will repeat this opening post to keep the debate active until ten different screen names have poste, then I will answer each of them individually. Thank you.
yes, you did give me a good idea here, thank you. Maybe since we are being nicey nice now, you can in the future refrain from cussing at me even when you don't like what I'm saying. You can make your point a lot better without cussing. I generally do not read posts of people who cuss more then they speak clearly.
Jolie was not participating by talking about what He would do and feel if he were God. He was talking about being a god who is not God. That is not good enough to qualify for the discussion. This is the second time you have made stupid comments from the peanut gallery without participating to give us your thoughts regarding the OP. If you don't want to participate, don't...but I'm not going to allow you to sit there and make stupid comments.
Offer your comments on what you would do and how you would feel if you were God or go silent please so I won't have to ban you.
Jolie was refusing to imagine himself to be God...he played a game I should have saw through sooner, a game pretending he was talking about God when he was talking about gods who are not God. He wants to be a god in this discussion, and I want people who can imagine themselves to be God who created all things, including any thing called a god, and describe what they would do or how they would feel as God. You have done this well, given your thoughts well constructively respecting the OP. Jolie did not, and would not no matter how many times I asked him to. I'm banning anybody who posts repeatedly and refuses to contribute constructively......but I'm trying to get them in before I kick them out.
Everybody banned here is banned for refusing to participate and do as asked in the title and OP. You disappointed me this time, Cartman....you did not surprise me, but I was hoping for better from you.
idiot, you got banned for being your usual obnoxious self here.......no wonder you don't like me, you like being a jerk and it shows when you mess with me,.....you can't keep your jerky self under control around me so you blame me for you being a jerk and don't like me. God loves you, Cartman, you don't have to be the way you are, you can be a new creation in Christ with a new life.....but it would cause you to love people, including me, and you hate that idea, don't you? It's easier to be a jerk when you don't know what God has in store for those who love Him.
Jolie was refusing to imagine himself to be God...he played a game I should have saw through sooner, a game pretending he was talking about God when he was talking about gods who are not God. He wants to be a god in this discussion, and I want people who can imagine themselves to be God who created all things, including any thing called a god, and describe what they would do or how they would feel as God. You have done this well, given your thoughts well constructively respecting the OP. Jolie did not, and would not no matter how many times I asked him to. I'm banning anybody who posts repeatedly and refuses to contribute constructively......but I'm trying to get them in before I kick them out.
If I was God, I would feel peaceful. I would not change the world in any way. The world is not perfect, but there is no way to make it perfect. The world right now is as it should be, and how it will remain.
Interesting. If you were God you would not care about evil, you would do nothing to stop it, and you would feel peaceful while pain, suffering, and evil people run rampant in the world. So you would be totally apathetic if you were God. Are you totally apathetic now?
I just fulfill my duties, which I believe is enough. But I believe the evil and suffering can't be ended as long as the human race as we know it exists. I am not apathetic, but rather feel helpless.
So as God you would feel helpless to do anything to stop the evil in the world?
What would your duties be, and since you are God those duties must be assigned to yourself by yourself as there is no God over God. So please tell me what your duties would be, and must you do them or can you choose to not do them sometimes since you made them for yourself to do.
Couldn't you change the human race somehow so it would not be as we know it is now, and cause people to cease being evil?
So as God you would feel helpless to do anything to stop the evil in the world?
I wouldn't feel helpless I guess but would rather feel like it would be pointless to stop all the evil in the world, because evil is subjective and is necessary to complement good. There can not be good without evil -Augustine of Hippo
What would your duties be
Sustain the universe. Don't care too much about the Humans I guess, but do whatever Godly things I need to do to make sure that all of the known and unknown laws of nature continue.
Couldn't you change the human race somehow so it would not be as we know it is now, and cause people to cease being evil?
That would just make different things seem evil. As I said, evil is subjective and 100 years from now giving someone a high-five may be considered abuse. People need to see the most extreme suffering and evil to realize what it means to be good, but that is impossible because suffering and evil is not something that can be measured. It's quite paradoxical.
So if you were God, you would not care about people, you would only care about sustaining the universe and would want evil to hurt people so they understand the difference between evil and good and you would not care how they are hurt or how they hurt others and just sustain the universe? So you would be completely cold hearted and indifferent toward people as they are not your duty to care for them, your duty would be to care for the universe?
In a nutshell, yes. Only because Good and Evil don't really exist on a cosmic level. If I could control everything, of course I would make their afterlife like heaven, I would not try to teach them a lesson. Is that allowed?
Just clarify for me...if you were God, you would not care about good and evil and you would not care about pain and suffering and any evil people do. You would be totally unloving. That's what you are saying? keep it brief please.
You are saying if you were God, there would be no justice and everybody gets to go to Heaven and you don't care how much evil they do because you do not see evil as real? I think maybe you need a cup of hot coffee poured on top of your head to wake you up so maybe you will care about evil
I would immediately put everyone in heaven and make it impossible for them to be evil. Since I am omnipotent, can't I end evil by just simply removing it?
So you would not care about justice, you don't care if somebody has raped babies and eaten them alive in front of their parents...........so it seems to me, for this world, you are useless and no good at all. If you are going to put everybody in heaven, why did you leave them here in all this evil, pain, and suffering? Are you sadistic, you enjoy seeing evil hurting people? No wonder atheists hate you.
So you would take away people's freedom of choice so they must do exactly what you want when you want and how you want and they would have no freedom to disobey so you would basically make people be like robots with no free will.....so you would use them and not love them?
Is someone has freedom, they may or may not choose to do bad things. You have freedom, don't you? Do you always choose to do bad things only because you have freedom, or do you do bad things because it's in you to be that way and you really can't stop yourself sometimes from doing wrong?
The only way to make people able to do only good things is to give them no freedom of choice in what they do.....so you would be forcing them to do good, with no love involved...you having no love for them, they having no love for you because you would eliminate the choice of doing good because of your love vs. doing bad in spite of your love....so your creatures would not love you by choice, but have not choice in doing whatever you say is good for them to do. They would be nothing but robots, at best animals who live by instinct and their instinct would always be to do good with no choice of doing bad. This is how you would make people if you were God?
Aren't love and freedom two sides of the same coin? You would not give freedom, so you would not risk being vulnerable by loving your people and giving them the choice of loving you and doing good in love, or despising you and doing bad selfishly?
So you are saying that if someone does good, it doesn't matter unless their motives are good. If I want to pray because I don't want to go to Hell or because I fear God, that isn't good right? I should just pray because I love God, right?
If you were God, you could make the world perfect if you wanted to. God can do whatever He wants to do. You said there is no way to make it perfect, so you were not imagining yourself as God. You were not participating but rather being disruptive by saying God can't fix the world and that's your opinion about God, that is not discussing what you would do or how you would feel if you were God.
By saying you would be at peace if you were God, that's all you have to say and it implies you would be no good, useless, apathetic toward mankind. There's nothing more to add if that's the way you would act and feel if you were God..so I banned you to cut down on the graffiti
If you were God, you could make the world perfect if you wanted to. God can do whatever He wants to do. You said there is no way to make it perfect, so you were not imagining yourself as God. You were not participating but rather being disruptive by saying God can't fix the world and that's your opinion about God, that is not discussing what you would do or how you would feel if you were God.
By saying you would be at peace if you were God, that's all you have to say and it implies you would be no good, useless, apathetic toward mankind. There's nothing more to add if that's the way you would act and feel if you were God..so I banned you to cut down on the graffiti. Now you don't have to work here and you can go rest in peace somewhere since you are banned. Enjoy your rest while you can.
So you would not care about the evil in the world and you would be apathetic, as long as the abnormalities in people are gone and nobody has to face Hell?
Oh. I thought it was normal for people to be evil. Ok, so you would abolish evil. Does that mean your creatures would have no freedom of choice, so they would be able to do nothing wrong, or would you change the rules to allow things are wrong to be ok? Like stealing, as long as you don't physically hurt a person, why should they feel hurt if I take their stuff?
It's a matter of whether you can avoid undesirable consequences, and there is no Hell, so the consequences would not be important, would they? Isn't all that matters to your creatures going to be satisfying their urge to do whatever they feel like doing at any given moment since they have no Hell to fear?
Would you also abolish death? Why get rid of Hell but not get rid of death? Or is death due to the abnormalities which you would not allow in the first place?
Hell isn't the only undesirable consequence. For example; In some areas you could have your hand chopped off if you're caught stealing. And of course, imprisonment.
Death is not included in the criterion? So you would punish somebody by chopping a hand off, then the next time the other hand, then the arms, feet, and legs, and then have them placed in a baseball diamond where they can do now wrong and serve as the third base mat?
That is terrible. Your facade just now. Unbearable. Your parabole, is comparable to a traumatized cerebel. You posted it on Facebook, and they made that shit unsharable.
I'll unban you this time with a warning.......you were making some good comments. I don't know where you got the facebook stuff and don't really care. I want to focus on the discussion, not facebook. If you want to continue in the discussion, please pick it up where I responded to your last comment.
so the consequences would not be important, would they?
Each individual human, will have the freewill to decide what's important to himself or herself.
Isn't all that matters to your creatures going to be satisfying their urge to do whatever they feel like doing at any given moment since they have no Hell to fear?
Even with hell to fear, humans that do fear it and try to avoid it by remaining devout, are following the urge to do so and are therefore, only satisfying an urge.
Would you also abolish death? Why get rid of Hell but not get rid of death?
Thank you for your comment, kinda funny and it says a lot more than what it first sounds like. Very good.
So you would be like Santa Clause, except you would not check your list to see who's being naughty or nice, not check it once, not check it twice? You would just offer everybody juicy foods? What if they decided to get there own food and did not trust your food, or simply felt they want to get their own food instead of take a hand out from you?
So you really would not care what they do, you would be like somebody filming nature under a naturalist's oath to not interfere or intervene in any way, but simple watching the events.........so while you offer to feed all, while some of them eat each other, or when some are hurting from broken leg or whatever they are doing, you just watch and offer them a cheeseburger? So you really don't care, you just like watching them? This is what you would do and how you would feel if you were God?
Another thing I would do as God, is ban all holy-rollering, bible-thumpery and banish you to an island with other fellow fanatics where you can eternal damnate each other for eternity.
So you would be selfish and arbitrary, and cruel in your punishments against me, but other than that, you would not care about the evil, pain, and suffering in the world? You would sit back and watch them, offering them cheeseburgers, and offer me nothing while you leave me to rot in exile?
It sounds like you would be fat, cruel, and uncaring.....feeding people so you could watch them like a citizen of Rome cheering as the gladiators try to kill each other. Is this how you would act and feel if you were God? It seems to be what you are saying.
I must preface my answer here by saying I love God and have turned my life over to Her and I daily thank Her for my Salvation and for Saving me from the Clutches of Satan. And from Death.
That said, I believe it is blasphemy to pretend we are God or to give our suggestions on what we might do differently. This is like saying that Gods Creations and the job She has done, and Her Will, are not perfect.
They Are! she is!
Who are we to offer our ignorant opinions on how to run things differently? Or to improve upon Gods handiwork? We are nobody. Nothing without Gods Grace.
I sum this up by offering God's rebuke to Job when he had the audacity to question why God had beset him with suffering.
God asked, Were you there when I laid the foundations of the Earth? Have you any understanding?
Basically saying to Job..who the hell are you to question me? You were not Present when I set forth my plans. You know nothing!
Well, I feel that if I tried to guess at what I might do different from God I would be like Job was. Or k would be a Serpents Tooth, an ungrateful child, for questioning Her. I cannot do that. She saved me and gave me a new life. For that I am Her humble and unquestioning, faithful servant. Forever and ever. Amen.
And by following the teachings of Her special Son Jesus and accepting Him as my Savior, I am washed in the Blood of the Lamb.
So my answer is...Nothing. I would do nothing different. God is perfect. And so is the world. Suffering is an illusion in this short limited physical life. And we will all understand why we were deluded about it, and we will also see how the world can be no other way from what it is. We will see this, if we are in God's Grace in the glorious Afterlife!
So you are not qualified for this discussion. You never should have came here, I should have known you would not have the brains or maturity to participate in this discussion. Banned, I should have pre-banned you before discussion started here. You are the ONLY person I forgot about before I opened this discussion to all, forgot that I knew better than to allow you hare in the first place.
You say Jesus is not God, and He is not risen from the dead, so you have a savior who is dead and death is your savior and it's taking you down to Hell where you will be saved forever in the fire, chained by your sin. Go and see. You are being fooled, the devil is making an idiot out of you, making you think you can be god. You can't be God, fool. Go on with your occult games trying to make yourself into God.
Everything and everything does not answer the question of the OP.
For this discussion, you, personally, as you, must imagine yourself to be God who created all things, and talk about how you feel and what you would do now.
Your vague answer shows you are not participating, and if you wont' participate as clearly invited for participation in the OP, you will be left outside of the discussion, kind of like when people will remain in rebellion against God are will be left in Hell where they won't have anybody to discuss their stuff with anymore.
I'm extending the invite one more time..."imagine yourself to be God, how would you feel, what would you do?" If you can't handle it, don't get involved.
You would do everything? You would rape your own children and eat their arms, and force their mother to eat their legs? Saying you would do everything means every imaginable evil. I suppose you think your answer was profound, but it was just plain stupid. Why in the world if you were God would you want to do every imaginable evil and feel every imaginable thing gloating in your evil? Go try to prove that you have the right as a sinner to exist outside of the fire of Hell.
"I would do everything." is a logical and complete sentence. I would feel everything is not logical and is not a complete sentence. You got banned for nonsense, which is what you try to make of your own life and it's annoying.
If I were God I wouldn't settle for merely banning people I disliked like some kind of god-wannabe. I would create entire debates that people invest loads of time into, and then, when those debates inevitably go bad, I would delete them. Entire debates gone. Mua ha ha.
So you would have no love for your creatures, and laugh as you zap them out of existence after you watched them struggle? Isn't that sadistic? But it would be good and ok for you to be that way as God?
You didn't like the answer Jace gave, but if I were to take this debate seriously I would have to say something similar. I would feel all things. I would do all things. I would be omniscient and omnipresent.
So you would kill people and eat them? You would rape children in front of their parents? You would steal everything from everybody? That is part of doing everything, and as God you say that is what you would do. How would you feel doing everything? Wouldn't you feel like KILLING YOURSELF FOR BEING A USELESS EVIL MORON?
Jace's answer was too vague and meaningless, and if it's the best answer you can come up with you are not qualified for this discussion. I'm trying to draw you in like a dozen others have come in to give their thought on what they would do and how they would feel as God. Only three so far have had to be banned for disrupting and refusing to discuss the topic. You are going to be number four soon if you will not present your idea on what you would do or how you would feel as God the creator of all things. You have to make it personal, and not some airhead vagueness as if you don't understand the OP.
So you would kill people and eat them? You would rape children in front of their parents? You would steal everything from everybody? That is part of doing everything, and as God you say that is what you would do. How would you feel doing everything? Wouldn't you feel like KILLING YOURSELF FOR BEING A USELESS EVIL MORON?
Isaiah 45-7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
You were supposed to talk about what you would do if you were God. You said you would do everything and feel everything. That means you would commit every imaginable evil you would children for lunch after raping them in front of their parents......every imaginable evil you would do it, that's what you said you would do if you were God. You would do everything and feel everything.
God does not do what you would do if you were God. You can do the evil, God created you, you hate God, He is too good for you, and because He is who He is, you turn evil against Him, so by His goodness He creates evil in you and He allows you to be outside of Hell for now because He has a purpose for you. If you want to be evil against Him, you can blame Him forever for creating you, blame Him for the evil, as you fry like an eternal sausage in the fire of Hell, fool.
Hindus are the most bone headed, right up there with atheists.........and to think I was deep in Hinduism, how stupid can a person be...all the nonsense they believe and talk about as if it's intelligent.....absolute goofiness.
So what are you saying, Moron? You would do every imaginable evil if you were God? You would be indifferent to suffering? You would have no love for people? You would do nothing to end the evil in Creation? You're an idiot, a useless excuse for a god, unable to tell us what you would do and how you would feel if you were God who created all things.
All you are doing is trying to murder God, and He is going to leave you in the fire of Hell forever if you won't stop.
So you would have no love for your creatures, and laugh as you zap them out of existence after you watched them struggle? Isn't that sadistic? But it would be good and ok for you to be that way as God?
You need to offer some constructive participation or stay out of the discussion so I don't have to ban you.
Do you know of anybody now who has done enough good for you to allow them to get out of dying? I know I am not that good and deserve to die. As God, surely you can find somebody who has done enough good so they don't have to die?
I don't know but of course I would if I was God. Are you doubting that God is all knowing and all powerful? Of course I would be capable of weighing the harm from the good. The individual people wouldn't be able to know if they are good enough to go to heaven but I guess they'd have to just be as good as they can possibly be.
Would you worry about intentions? I mean what if someone intended to do great harm to a lot of people, but the historical outcome was a net benefit for mankind? Heaven or Hell?
How can people be good enough to live forever in Heaven if they can't be good enough to live forever here? Why not just forgive the goods ones now and let them live forever without dying? Why should the good ones have to die? Why should some innocent babies have to die?
How can people be good enough to live forever in Heaven if they can't be good enough to live forever here?
Why can a banana be yellow and an apple green?
Why not just forgive the goods ones now and let them live forever without dying?
Forgive them for doing more harm than good? No. That is injustice. A child murderer who raped his victims does not get saved while Gandi burns in hell.
Why can a banana be green and an apple be yellow? That does not answer the question of how people can be good enough to live forever.
If you can't forgive them for doing more harm than good, why should the good ones have to suffer death the same as the bad ones? As God, aren't you being unfair to make the best of the best suffer and die the same as the worst of the worst?
Can you show me one good one who has not died? It seems to me that you made them all die the same.
If innocent babies don't have to die, why do you let them die?
That does not answer the question of how people can be good enough to live forever.
Because I recognise that I made imperfect creatures, thats my fault, and their goodness has to be considered relative to that.
f you can't forgive them for doing more harm than good, why should the good ones have to suffer death the same as the bad ones?
If they do more harm than good then they are "bad ones". If they want redemption its simple. They have to start being good. Saying I am sorry is not enough.
As God, aren't you being unfair to make the best of the best suffer and die the same as the worst of the worst?
Do you not understand what I am saying? The best = heaven, the worst = hell.
Can you show me one good one who has not died? It seems to me that you made them all die the same.
Gandi is in my heaven. He lives forever.
If innocent babies don't have to die, why do you let them die?
So if you were God, you would not care about evil or bad people and just let them go to Hell, and you would do nothing to help good people and let them suffer and die the same as the bad people but you would let them in to Heaven.....so you really aren't doing anything at all and you really don't care? What kind of justice is it to let the good people suffer the same as the bad? The good people are not perfect, why should they not go to Hell the same as the others? Since they are not perfect and they are dying, how can you call them good? If they are good, why are their bodies bad and dying? Why can't they live forever without dying?
If I were God, I would question what I was thinking when I created Adam and Eve and gave them free will to sin. I should've known it would've ended badly with the end result being Progressive Liberals and the demise of my commandments.
Very good. I do believe God questioned Himself on His plans, knowing the mess people would get themselves into and the difficultly of keeping Adam and Eve to enjoy. I think God knew it was going to go bad, but I think He had a plan to fix it all long before He created it all and knew things would go bad.
I think God knew it was going to go bad, but I think He had a plan to fix it all long before He created it all and knew things would go bad.
Why wouldn't God solve the problem before it started? Why create a flawed product and then release it with the full intention of a recall down the road?
How? Put yourself in God's shoes, and tell us how you would do it and how you would feel about it. Tell us how you would solve the problem before it started
How? Put yourself in God's shoes, and tell us how you would do it and how you would feel about it.
Rather than God knowing it would go bad, I think it's more likely that it hasn't gone bad at all. If God is perfect, then God didn't mess up anything, and nothing needs fixing.
So if you were God, you would look at all the pain, suffering, and evil in the world and say it's ok and needs no improvement?
It seems like you are avoiding imagining yourself to be God. If you cannot imagine what you would do if you were God the creator of all things, and how you would feel being God, then you really don't belong in this discussion.
It seems like you are avoiding imagining yourself to be God. If you cannot imagine what you would do if you were God the creator of all things, and how you would feel being God, then you really don't belong in this discussion
Actually Saint, no one can imagine oneself as God, that's the error you keep making. God is not a man and does not have the qualities of a human.
There is nothing wrong with pain and suffering as it shows us what to avoid. It provides a contrast by which we can know and value that which is good in life. It is in pain and suffering that people often show their truest of virtues. If there is no struggle, then there is nothing to rise above. Nothing to live or die for. We lose all values.
The elimination of evil requires the elimination of the freedom to do evil. What is a virtue that is not chosen? An instinct. The capacity for evil is necessary for the existence of virtue.
Last chance. What would you do if you were God? How would you feel if you were God? Last chance. Would you be concerned about pain and suffering? would you create a place different than what we have now? What would you do, how would you feel, if you were God. All you are doing so far is talking about why you are mad at God. Put yourself in His shoes and tell us what you would do and how you would feel. Last chance, and since your last chance should have been lost with this fake reply in which you only whine about why you are mad at God rather than participating to answer the OP........I'm giving you ten minutes to post a constructive idea of what you would do and how you would feel if you were God or you are disqualified and found to be mentally unfit for this discussion.
Time's up. Apparently the simple OP was too much for your brain to grasp. You can criticize God like a maniac, but you can't imagine yourself to be God and tell us what you would do and how you would feel. Maybe it's because you are afraid of being criticized?
I think the end result is much worse than Progressive Liberals. I'd rather be in a concentration camp starved by Progressive Liberals than be burning in Hell.
Being a God assumes knowledge that I do not have now. so my plan would likely very much change in the position as compared to the plan now.
-
the short answer is that I would do the greatest good for the greatest number of people. and the apparent existence or lack there of of a God would change the world and the people if there was a free will dynamic. if there was no question as to the existence of God, people may never do anything for themselves, and would instead petition God for everything. if there was a consensus that there was no God, the moral judgement that a God places on the world would be ignored. paradoxically, I believe that perfection would converge. meaning God's laws would come to be agreed to be true, despite no appearance of God in this hypothetical world. I still feel like the notion of Morality would need to be seeded though, and so religions may start in the beginning, but fade as time goes on.
but then again, as a God I could likely fundamentally change human nature. or remove humanity's suffering and struggling entirely by simply making them cease to exist. I don't understand why death is a bad thing though. partially because I haven't ever experienced it, and as a God I don't think I logically ever could.
-
pain is even a strange concept to have. why would a benevolent god program pain into humans?
you are supposed to imagine yourself to be God for your comments on what you would do or how you would feel as God, not a god who is not God. If you can't imagine yourself to be God who created all things including any gods which are things you created, then please stop posting so I don't have to ban you.
Never mind, forget it. Apparently you have a mental block so you don't know the difference between "God" and "a God". I didn't think it was that difficult to understand, but you have proved me wrong. Try banging your head against a wall and maybe you'll knock some bricks loose from the wall inside your head so you can understand simple English and know the difference between "God" and "a God".
You're a disrespectful punk, aren't you? You know this is about imagining yourself to be God, and if you had not have insisted on putting that stupid "a" before God's name implying He is not God but rather is a god which is not God who created all things, showing your brain short circuits at the idea of God who created all things. Whatever your problem is, you flunked the discussion here.
When you are imagining yourself to be God and talking about what you would do or feel as God, there is no question that you exist so you can talk about what you would do and how you would feel as God. If that is too much of a challenge for you, please stop posting so I don't have to ban you. All you said is that you would do the greatest good for the greatest number of people. That's the only thing that made sense relating to what you would do if you were God.
That is not saying much of anything. Elaborate on that and leave out the agnostic gibberish because when you are God, you have no question of your existence. now tell us what you would do and how you would feel as you imagine yourself to be God.
I expect something along those lines to happen soon, I think you are on the right track here. Would you be happy with mankind after that? What would you do next, or at the same time? How would you feel in doing these things?
I'm waiting for one response from you to see if you will participate and discuss the OP or I should ban you. You are the one person I should have known better than to allow you here at all.......but to keep my word I will give you one chance to participate and show minimal maturity so I should not ban you.
If I were my Almighty God I would strike down fake Christians like you who de much harm to REAL Christians who are loving and tolerant. Gods own special son Jesus warned of us people of your ilk. False prophets. You are more like!a Pharisee than a true follower of Christ. So in view of that I don't think God would have a problem with casting you and your kind into the Lake of Fire.
Still, as a Christian, I pray for the scales of hate to fall from your eyes.
But...as a true Demon Hunter I still cannot allow false prophets like you and dadbadman to spew your filth and hate here. So as I said part of my Demon hunting agenda is to destroy and discredit ad many of your posts as I can. But of course only those that do us Christians harm in the eyes of others. Other than that I will allow you to post whatever your tiny little mind desires.
You should ease up on the drinking whjen you post. By the end of the day when your back is about .12 your posts are damn near unintelligible.
So you would be a dictator and strike down all who disagree with you. Ok. That's what you think God is supposed to be? One reply, converse on topic and I will not ban you.
You deny the deity of Jesus Christ, you deny His resurrection, so you are not a Christian. Your usage of words implying you are Christians is fraudulent. Anybody who thinks you are a Christian is a fool.
Unity has abandoned the popular image that God is an elderly, superhuman male with a white flowing beard who lives in a remote place "up there". We do not believe that God is fickle, answering some prayers and ignoring others. We do not look upon God as a deity to be feared. One fundamental attribute of God is that God is good. We are created to be "healthy, happy, prosperous, loved and loving, courageous and strong". If we fall short of these goals, it is because we have separated our mind from God, and allowed negative thoughts to intrude. God is within each one of us; and is directly accessible. We need only to quietly turn within ourselves to contact God.
Unity follows a form of pantheism [better yet, panENtheism... WM]. God exists in all things. God is present throughout creation: in humans, plants, animals, the earth itself, etc. [And, all things are present in God, hence panENtheism... WM]
Jesus Christ:
Unity rejects the traditional Christian view that Jesus is a deity to be worshipped; we point out that at no time did Jesus tell his disciples to worship him. Rather, we look upon Jesus as a great healer, miracle worker, and mystic who had a direct access to God. We believe that his actions can be emulated by believers today. One's life is to be dominated by love, and compassion, even toward one's enemies.
Genesis story allegory
Unity rejects the concept of original sin, (the belief that because of Adam and Eve's actions in the Garden of Eden, we are all conceived in iniquity and born in sin). We look upon the Genesis story as an allegory; a very human attempt to explain our beginnings. We emphasize that humans are created in the image and likeness of God, and are thus not intrinsically evil or sinful.
Heaven:
Rather than looking upon heaven as a place "up there" to be experienced as a reward after death, Unity conceives of heaven as expressed by Jesus: "The kingdom of heaven is at hand", and "The kingdom of God is in the midst of (within) you". Charles Fillmore definedit as "a state of consciousness in which the soul and the body are in harmony with Divine Mind". One does not have to wait until death. Heaven can thus be enjoyed at any time through prayer. Through proper technique, attitude and receptivity one can elevate one's personal consciousness to a heavenly state.
Hell:
The Unity Church does not conceive hell to be a place of eternal torment in which people are eternally punished with fire because of their beliefs and/or actions during life. It is not a place to go to after death. Rather it is a state of consciousness to be suffered here on earth. Charles Fillmore wrote: "One does not have to die in order to go to hell, any more than one has to die to get to heaven. Both are states of mind and conditions, which people experience as a direct outworking of their thoughts, beliefs, words, and acts. If one's mental processes are out of harmony with the law of man's [sic] being, they result in trouble and sorrow; mental as well as bodily anguish overtakes one, and this is hell".
Satan:
Many Christians look upon Satan as a quasi-deity; an all evil presence who is the opposite of the goodness of God. Satan and God are often portrayed as fighting over individuals' souls. This dual divinity has obvious links to Zoroastrianism which was incorporated into ancient Jewish legends which, in turn, were later codified as parts of the book of Genesis. Other aspects of Satan were derived from ancient Greek and Babylonian beliefs.
Unity interprets Satan's temptation of Jesus symbolically. Satan did not tempt Jesus to turn stones into bread; it was the "voice of human hunger"; the temptation to throw himself off the highest part of the temple was "the voice of human desire for recognition"; the temptation to becomea ruler was "the voice of worldliness".
Thus Satan is not a physical entity; but is one's lower nature: selfishness, greed, the desire to turn away from God. Satan can be resisted by systematically striving towards one's higher nature.
Sin:
Traditionally, sin has been defined as falling short of perfection. Unity uses an alternate definition: "living under a false sense of separation from God". We view this as a delusion because God is in reality continuously present within us. This false belief can be overcome through prayer.
One of the most prominent beliefs concerning mankind is that we were "conceived in iniquity and born in sin". We have accepted this thinking of ourselves as incurable sinners, so much accepted it that it is a difficult exercise to entertain an alternative to this idea.
We have accepted, even concluded, that we are indelibly tainted with the original sin of Adam and Eve. But if we take the time to explore the Bible in depth, we will realize that the story of Adam and Eve is allegorical. It was composed after much of the rest of the Old Testament was recorded, designed to give a beginning to the story of human beings. We cannot deny that the story of creation is beautifully written, but we would do well to remind ourselves that it is man's endeavor to write of his beginnings.
Many of us have been bombarded since childhood with the teaching that we are miserable sinners, resulting from the "fall of Adam", and the implication has been that an entire lifetime would not be sufficient time to eradicate the taint of our sinfulness.
Life After Death:
Unity defines heaven and hell as conditions in the here and now. They are not places where people go to spend eternity. Rather, many in Unity believe in a form of reincarnation. After death the soul is believed to leave the body, and to live again in another human body. This is/was a common belief among: present day Eastern religions the early Christian Church prior to the Council of Constantinople in 533 CE the Essenes, one of the three Jewish sects while Jesus was alive.
Unity cites references from the Christian Scriptures which show that the concept of reincarnation was common during Jesus' time. In the Gospels of Matthew and Mark , John the Baptist is referred to as the reincarnation of Elijah. In Matthew, some of the populace guessed that Jesus was a reincarnation of John the Baptist; others guessed Elijah; still others guessed Jeremiah or one of the other prophets. Jesus neither criticized the people for their beliefs, nor declared reincarnation to be heresy. Each lifetime is viewed as a time of preparation for the next life, leading towards eventual perfection.
Unity Practices:
Unity has no missionaries. We rely upon our teachings being spread by our readers and followers and by the literature itself.
"New centers and churches are normally started as study groups sponsored by an existing ministry or the expansion department of the Association of Unity Churches. Both the Association and Unity School of Christianity provide support materials and services to emerging ministries."
Prayer:
Real prayer does not involve begging God for a favour, or repeating standard prayers in a ritual setting. It an act of becoming spiritually one with God. If one applies Ralph Waldo Emerson's concept of prayer: the contemplation of the facts of life from the highest point of view, then prayer can be a constant personal activity. One can also use the "arms" of prayer by mentally embracing some other individual as the target of a prayer or the "wings" of prayer by directing one's prayer at all those who are receptive.
Worship:
It is not limited to Sunday church services. Worship can be pursued at any time and location when one feels adoration and devotion for God. Ideally, it can be experienced continually through the day.
Baptism:
Within Christendom, some faith groups follow the tradition started by John the Baptist; they totally immerse the body in water. Others regard baptism as symbolic; they simply sprinkle drops of water on the person. Most Unity practitioners do neither. We note that Jesus never made baptism a requirement for others during his ministry; and so, we do not have a formal baptism sacrament. Rather we encourage every believer to attain a Spiritual Baptism which is a deeply personal event, a cleansing "prayer experience with Spirit, an ultimate dialogue between an individual and God." The individual emerges purified, having experienced a religious conversion of great intensity.
Communion:
There has been much controversy over the meaning, details, and purpose of the rite of Holy Communion (the Lord's Supper) within Christian Churches. Most Unity ministers do not have a formal ritual. We recall the words of St. Paul "The Kingdom of God is not foodand drink but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit". Communion becomes a close encounter with God in private prayer, in which one becomes aware of the impact that God is making in all areas of one's life.
Ok, thank you, I think we understand that your church teaches that you are a god and can do good like God. The idea here is to imagine yourself to be the God over all gods. Put yourself in the top position and tell us what you would do and how you would feel as the God in charge of all gods.
I would imagine that the universe is big enough to carve off a piece and let the sinners live there any way they wish. To kill them would be vengeful and the God in the new testament is not a vengeful God. He's a kinder, gentler God.
Thank you for this interesting comment. It seems to me that we already have a piece of the universe carved off for sinners to live any way they wish. Isn't that what God gave us already? So you would do what God has already done, and not kill the people but let them die?
I don't see how dying is a bad thing. Dying is part of life. I don't see how you could have one without the other.
I imagine that if there is such a thing as God, that there are probably more than one and if they created us, they probably said, “Instead of being masters of our creations, we have learned to bargain with them, cajoling and guiding them in the general direction of our goals. We have built our own jungle, and it has a life of its own.”
It would bother me. But, as you surely must have realized by now, you can't change people's belief system. It has to come from within, not from without. They have got to want to change.
So if you were God, you would bargain with people in order to move them toward your goals. What would your goals be, and what would be your bargaining power? Would you use rewards and punishments? And why should anybody care to bargain with you to start with when you are watching and letting them all die?
I agree with you that I cannot change anybody's beliefs. If you are sitting on a train track, and I tell you a train is going to come in one hour, and you say "I don't believe it, I'm going to stay here and take a nap", what can I do? (assuming I am unable to force you to move off the tracks......I would force you off the tracks if I could, but let's assume I am weak and you are strong and I cannot force you to get off the tracks).
Well..., Either God is weaker than us (not probable) or He's is smarter than us and He knows what He's doing, even though we think we are smarter and disagree with His methods (more probable).
When I want my dogs not to do something, I put a barrier between them and the thing I want to keep them away from.
I f was God and truly all powerful, I would do something like this:
No more videos, please. This is about what you would do or how you would feel if you are God, not what you think it might be like to be a god who is not God. For this OP, you have to imagine yourself to be God who is over all and has no equal, the One and Only God. If you would feel like creating girls who say they are God, then say so, but you have to do it as God. The video you presented leaves God out by the girl calling herself god and saying there are others like her...that means they call themselves god but none of them are God because God is the creator of all thing, the only God.
No more videos, that video was nothing but Americanized Hinduism. I want to know what you would do and/or how you would feel if you were God, the only God, maker of heaven and earth and all things everywhere....you personally being God, not God being an undefined impersonal force with many god faces. You personally being God, ruler of heaven and Earth, creator of all things. If you cannot imagine being Him and can't imagine what you would do or how you would feel as God (not a god like the gods of Hinduism who is not God)
Well..., if I was the supreme being, I could do no wrong. So if you were hurting and I cid nothing, then it is for your own good. And if you don't believe that then you have no faith.
So you would not care about pain and suffering, and you would allow evil to continue? You would force people to go through the whole pain/suffering/evil/death thing repeatedly? wouldn't that be kind of heartless and cruel? apathetic?
Ok, this girl says there are others like her, so that means she is not God, but a god. I'm asking you to imagine yourself to be God who is above all gods. A girl who says there are others like her is not. God.
This is not supposed to be your ideas of what God is like, rather what you would do or how you would feel if you were God. You have to make the distinction of being God above all gods in order to contribute for the OP.
You are eliminating God, or at least trying to. You are trying to deny Him of His creation. I asked you to imagine yourself to be God. By definition He is God and not a god. You played your little game and I let you expose yourself as a devil who is believing he can replace God with himself and be god. You are not God, you cant' be God. You are a devil minded fool who is blinded by Satan to think you are seeing the light when you are in the dark seeing nothing but death. You're buying into lies and you'll serve your time in Hell where you will have what you want, denying God from His creation and His goodness forever removed from you in the fire of Hell. Try it and see. Go see for yourself, smarty pants. See if you get to be God. Try it.
Space is infinite. God is there. God is not space. You are not God. You can't be God. You can't even imagine yourself to be God, because in your mind you have murdered Him so you think you do not have to be care what things, what He will do, or how He will feel. I asked you to imagine yourself to be God, not a god.
The whore in your video (yes, whore, selling herself out) first says she is "God", so I went along saying, well, I guess she is imagining herself to be "God", then she said "there are others like me", disqualifying herself from being God. For this discussion, she is not qualified as she is not imagining herself to be the Highest God above all gods. If you are too stupid to figure that out, neither are you qualified for this discussion. I think you knew the terms here, and I let you play your game long enough. Banned. See if death is a good thing, and see if your sin does not take you into Hell's fire where you can't get out. Go and see. You've always been one of the rudest smarty pants punks on here. This whole game you played with me was rude and smarty pants punk junk from the start. Banned.
