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 Capitalism's hidden caste system (12)

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Capitalism's hidden caste system

In the days of feudalism and monarchy, you could inherit land and power if you where born into nobility, and be forced to serve the nobility and be subject to them if you are not a noble.
In capitalism you can inherit wealth, which means you can buy your way into power and buy up all the land and resources. What has really changed? Not much.
We are still living under a well disguised feudal caste system. Only Socialism can save you from being a slave and a peasant.
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Many of the upper class in capitalism today have inherited wealth from all the way back in the days of feudalism. Have you ass holes ever heard of "old money" ? This further solidifies Nom's point, even an evil Nom can tell you that the ability to inherit wealth has kept the same exact bloodlines of elitist nobility in control of land and resources to this day. If you support capitalism, you are either a willing slave or an elitist borgeoise cunt.

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We aren’t forced to serve nobles. We aren’t subject to them. A very wealthy man cannot make demands on me.

You can always quit your job.You can work somewhere else. You can create your own job, and if you hire some help, they can quite on you. You can also pass on much of what you’ve acquired to your children, just like everyone else. Be it wealth, property, or land.

In feudalism is you are locked into your position. This isn’t the case in capitalism. Most people do better than there parents and very many people jump economic classes. But since it’s capitalism, jumping an economic class isn’t easy. It takes a lot of hard work and competence. Your chances of upward mobility are further reduced if your parents or parent do not instill in you the necessary qualities, or if you otherwise fail adopt them. Those at the upper rungs also tend to be there for relatively short periods of time.

In short, capitalism is nothing like feudalism.

Hootie(364) Disputed
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We aren’t forced to serve nobles.

Yes, I am afraid you are. Capitalism is a pyramid system. That means the work of the people on the bottom is what keeps people at the top rich. These people are not nobles in the monarchical sense, but you serve them nonetheless. Disagreeing with this unequivocally factual premise leaves you having to explain why thousands of scholars, past and present, have dedicated their lives to finding a way to emancipate the working class.

You can always quit your job.

The problem with your theory that "you can always quit your job" is that you can no longer afford to eat or pay for medical insurance. Hence, this is not a genuine choice which you are offering people. It is a textbook example of coercion which you are radically misrepresenting as evidence of freedom.

In feudalism is you are locked into your position.

In feudalism you worked and paid the landlord rent for the land. Very little has changed since then.

You can also pass on much of what you’ve acquired to your children

Thus bearing fruit to another generation of "nobles" who have never had to work for their privilege and who have done nothing in life to deserve it.

In sum Amarel, you know as well as I do that you are radically misrepresenting the situation, and yet you are perfectly happy to do it anyway. That speaks volumes about the type of person you are.

Amarel(5669) Disputed
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Yes, I am afraid you are.

No. We really aren’t.

Disagreeing with this unequivocally factual premise leaves you having to explain why thousands of scholars, past and present, have dedicated their lives to finding a way to emancipate the working class.

Those thousands (not 10 are worth a damn) have a debunked theory as evidenced by history, economic theory, and the work of scores more of more recent scholars.

The problem with your theory that "you can always quit your job" is that you can no longer afford to eat or pay for medical insurance.

There is no system that allows people to escape the reality that any decision is a trade off. There’s no room for reality in utopia.

It is a textbook example of coercion

Show me the textbook that says me paying you in exchange for something is coercion.

In feudalism you worked and paid the landlord rent for the land. Very little has changed since then.

The capitalist does not have to proclaim that “he who does not work, shall not eat”. Nor is must he give up his hard earned meal to “the party” who calls it a free lunch.

Thus bearing fruit to another generation of "nobles" who have never had to work for their privilege and who have done nothing in life to deserve it.

Rich and poor alike claim inheritance. I’m sure someone out there who inherited nothing but his dead Mom’s car will find your characterization of him as “noble” quite fitting. It’s often true.

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@Amarel

I agree. Also, you can own your own land in Capitalism--huge difference .

Hootie(364) Disputed
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Also, you can own your own land in Capitalism--huge difference

Feudalism was a system which based itself entirely on the ownership of land, you bizarre pseudo-intellectual nincompoop.

The arrogance of the belief that you can "own" part of the world which bore you into existence is testament to the incredible arrogance and delusion of the right.

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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Europeans have NO worry about having their land confiscated by their democratic socialist governments. The U.S. has been operating under democratic socialist methods for YEARS. I STILL own my property! We have paid taxes to the governments … Federal, State, City …. sometimes community … in order to get "the peoples" work done. Fund our socialistic Fire Dept., Police Dept., Library, schools, garbage pick-up, snow removal, etc., etc.! NO PROBLEMS with that "democratic socialist "economic" system"! We STILL own our businesses, STILL allow capitalism! Still live by our Constitution! We DO NOT live under a authoritarian leader …. like all the other un-workable "socialistic" systems. Now, If Trump gets his wish, BECOMES an "all powerful leader", THEN the system will NOT work, it CAN NOT work under a dictator! We MUST protect our democracy from Trump (and Putin)! It will not even be a capitalistic system, it will be an OLIGARCH, like Russia! A handful of rich in lockstep with the leader! (Like WE had for a few years, until Teddy R. broke it up!)