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I get back lash all the time from people because of my views, I get told by people that I am going to hell, I am evil and for what because I have a 121 IQ?
Not to blow my own horn but It really comes down to intellect and the ability to comprehend reason and logic, I have spoken to many people and some people can't seem to see reason and logic as if there brains can't comprehend.
I am sad to say many of those people are my own friends and family, I still love them but I feel alone at times, almost lost and wondered many times am I the crazy one?
Not to blow my own horn but It really comes down to intellect and the ability to comprehend reason and logic, I have spoken to many people and some people can't seem to see reason and logic as if there brains can't comprehend.
That is the kind of attitude that annoys me. I fine with you being atheist and I don't think it is right that people are telling you that you are going to Hell for it, but that attitude about only stupid people are religious is offensive to me.
That is the kind of attitude that annoys me. I fine with you being atheist and I don't think it is right that people are telling you that you are going to Hell for it, but that attitude about only stupid people are religious is offensive to me.
Good because I am offended at being told I'm going burn in hell or that I'm evil, to me anyone that truly believes that is a pure idiot, there is no logical reason to think such things other then what another mans interpretation of the bible is, no man could tell me they know the mind of God or if there is a God from a 2000 year old book written by dozens of different authors and in a time long after the death of Christ, 60 years to be exact.
No man has the right to suppress another man or woman's freedom because of some bronze age mythology, I am fed up with the stupidity and lack of critical thinking on the part of the bigoted religious fundamentalist so if people get offended Oh well, maybe if those people stopped pointing fingers then the fingers would stop pointing back.
I think you are hurting your cause. You want religious fanatics to stop insulting you, but you response is presenting a negative image of atheists to not fanatic religious people such as myself.
Wrong, we are not the one hating gays, we were not ones that protected slavery, we are not that ones that belittle women as nothing more then a cook and a housekeeper, we are not the ones who try to force our beliefs as laws, we are not the ones who are behind hate crimes, we are not the ones who are behind 75% of all wars though out history and the list goes on.
Atheist for the most part are fed up with the bigotry, hate, lies, fear tactics and for the first time in human history we can speak our minds without the fear of being murdered by the Church.
Religious fanatics are the problem, at least we can agree there, but I will not shut my mouth just because I might offend the religious as a whole because those cowards won't speak up for justice, equality and freedom.
Bottom line is the religious fanatics started this war on critical thinking a long time ago, the difference like I said is now days you can't burn me alive, or cut off my head for speaking blasphemy, we are protected by a secular law for the first time ever and I will be dammed if I don't speak up against religion now while I have the chance, I will not let the death of thousands/millions of murdered Atheist, Agnostic, free thinkers of our past go in vain.
You complain about religious fanatics spreading hatred and your way of combating this is by spreading more hatred, just because your hatred is aimed at people you think are unjust does not make it any more righteous, you sound just like the religious fanatics you despise. You come across as blaming all religious people for the actions of some, that is bigoted and also loses you supporters among the religious people who do not spread hate and are not bigoted, why should they have to suffer abuse from you because you suffered abuse from someone who happened to share the same faith as them, a circle of abuse fixes nothing you need to break the circle not make it bigger.
That is stereotyping. I as an individual support homosexual unions. I as a individual have supported equal rights between races and gender.
Yes there are fanatics our there and they are bad. But when you start attacking every religious person despite whatever their personal beliefs are you are just as bad as them.
I hear ya and but like I said only fanatics should and would get offended, I have no problem with a person believing in God, my problem is when fanatics come off as if they know the word, mind of God and curse everyone that's not like them to Hell and what not, I don't attack Buddhist, even Hindu's because the majority of those groups of people don't come off like assholes to everyone that's not like them, I only attack the crazies that tell me they know that I am living wrong and in most cases 99% of those groups of people are Christian and Muslim.
I'm bigoted toward the bigoted so the problem lies with them not me, that being said if you are Christian, Muslim and you don't agree or follow the bigotry and love and support all walks of like I have no problem with those people, I was just simply pointing out that as I said in most cases the groups of people that do support and follow such bigotry happen to be mostly Christian and Muslim, in turn you are right when you say not every Christian and Muslim is like that and if you are not like that then I am sorry, my attacks are not meant for a person such as yourself, just the crazies in you group.
Christians don't hate gays. Just because they are reluctant to change the definition of marriage, doesn't mean they are being oppressive and taking rights away.
doesn't mean they are being oppressive and taking rights away
Then you have no idea what the word freedom means, human right, equality, and if you support this then you are a bigot. if your God supports this then your God is a bigot, no matter how you twist this it's flat out bigotry.
I agree. I got friends who are atheists and we get along fine. It is just the people who go purposely out of their way to insult my religion that annoy me.
The video is disgusting. Its like another world to me. I can't imagine atheists being treated in that way.
I think the problem with Christianity is that the bible tells them that anyone who doesn't believe what they believe is going to hell. They're going to burn for all eternity because they're not like them. Why would you give a shit about a person that is going to hell anyway? What if they take other people to hell with them through the propagation of their belief? To Christians, any other belief is, almost by definition, evil because it leads to an eternity of suffering.
Christianity is an extremely dangerous religion. We just have to hope that eventually it dies out - which I think it will as its numbers are already declining significantly.
I know what you mean. It almost doesn't seem real. I live in a pretty unreligious family in a pretty secular town and very unreligious school. So outside those borders this stuff in the real world seems surreal...but to think ill eventually encounter it when I go off on my own to college and beyond is a bit unnerving.
Christians preach,cause they sin everyday,and they must redeem themselves to god,"I know I bought a fake Gucci and broke the law,but I saved a couple of people from hell"
As if atheists give a fuck to begin with? LOL What's the problem? You say "they're" not being so "Christian like", which makes atheists even more say "They're fucking hypocrites, though personally I do not believe in it anyway, ect, ect" What do you want atheists? At least Agnostics have the balls to say "Nothing is true because 'no one knows for certainty'". And atheists say to Christians "What you know is not truth because X, Y, Z, so we will follow X, Y, Z".
See, it's not a problem when both sides realize what the fuck is actually happening. It's a problem when either side has people who say and claims this or that.
And so youre original title is like an atheist saying " Atheists aren't so fucking real/and/or/friendly/nor/realist, when it comes to anything other than Atheism-that-is-Atheist-are-so-against-Theism-that-they've-got-no-true-refute-slash/halfass/refute-against-it". hahahahaha
Atheist are more like a bunch of play ground bullshitters and bullies than Agnostics are.
Agnostics are the ultimate "I know nothing", or " There is nothing to be seen here", or the "Observers of 'nothing' because 'nothing' actuality exists."
I find agnostics to be more insane than atheists.
Though I feel atheists to be more child like and immature, like play ground enthusiasts.
Agnostics are still ridiculous to say "Well we do not know anything because X, Y, Z."
Both of you are afraid of passion, of belief, that you come to terms with "You're a theist and you do not know shit."
It doesn't matter what I believe nor what you believe, or "you think you know", or facts". What matters is what's happening now. And the "truth" is going to present itself regardless of whether a theist, or atheist or agonistic has to say. LOL
Can any person on this site relate or understand this?> LOL
I know how everybody feels. I, too have heard and seen "church" people act that way. I, myself am a Christian and I don't agree with how these Church ladies act. Those people are the very reason people hate Christians. Jesus taught us to love each other. Love everyone. Christians aren't any better than anyone else. We are sinners too. Everyone is. The Bible teaches that ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. It's not about being holier than thou. And anyone claiming to be Christian and acts holier than thou is not a true Christian. A true Christian is just anyone who recognizes that we can't get to Heaven by any means we do ourselves. We can't earn it. Only by accepting Christ's free gift of salvation can we get there. And the only way to witness to people is to tell people what He has done in our lives and let them make up their own minds. I don't have all the answers, but I love everyone and try to show everyone Christ's love.
Even if they are just minor sins? So an Atheist who's only sin was stealing a grape from a grocer's but otherise was a really nice person would go to Hell and a Christian that killed 100 people would go to heaven as long as he prayed for forgiveness after? Ridiculous, I would rather go to Hell thab worship a God who upholds that.
Every single sin demands an infinite punishment. Without the blood of Christ no sin can be forgiven. With the blood of Christ, every sin can be forgiven. The only reason you don't lime that is because you don't understand who God is.
You will worship God, whether it's now or on judgment day. I hope it's now.
Sin deserves eternal punishment? That's fucked up and completely unjust. I steal a cookie. A FINITE crime and I burn forever. Idk who's the more sadistic asshole, god for decreeing this shit or you for endorsing it.
And whoopie human sacrifice. Do you not see a problem with that? Why can't god just forgive like a normal person. Humans are able to forgive and apparently were shit before gods greatness or whatever. So why does he seem incapable of forgiveness unconditionally?
And no. I'll never believe in god because I don't think he exists or will ever have the evidence discovered to prove him. And judgement day is a bullshit myth that will never come. What is this now? The 200th time people have said "it's the end times!!!"? Jesus said he'd be back in the lifetimes of his disciples. Nothing else about any other dates. So if he didnt come back then, why the hell do you expect him to now?
A finite crime against an infinitely holy God. You don't seem to see how horrible sin is. If God just forgave sins, he would be unjust. You already believe in God, but suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1). And here is a bit of news for you; God is not out to impress you, he will do what he wants and he answers to no one, and definitely not you!
If god is defined as infinately holy, god can't define infinite holiness. Saying god is infinately holy is meaningless without justification for that. WHY is he infinately holy? What makes him infinately holy? If you say he just is cuz he's god that's rubbish. You can't be the deffinition of something used to define you. It's circular. So unless you can give me reasons why he is infinately holy without appealing to his own nature then he isn't infinately holy.
You don't seem to see how horrible sin
You're right. Please explain to me what is so horrible about saying "Jesus" with a snotty attitude. Or telling your wife she looks thin in that dress just to please her. I'm failing to see where eternal torment is warranted.
God just forgave sins, he would be unjust
And burning people in hell for eternity IS? Giving overly strict punishments for petty crimes is unjust. And I fail to see how forgiving someone of a petty crime is unjust. If I stole from my friend and then gave whatever I took back and apologized, he would probably accept my apology and forgive me. But god can't do that? Why is simple forgiveness something humans are capable of and not god?
And I'm not even arguing that he needs to forgive. By all means he can give punishments. If someone kills another person I would expect a god to punish them. But eternal torture isn't appropriate. A just god gives the ideal punishment for any given crime. If you lie you get a slap on the wrist, if you kill 30 people you get some kind of jail time or whatever (idk what would be appropriate). But nothing you can do in this lifetime warrants eternal torture. No matter what
You already believe in God, but suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1)
So your gonna believe an ambiguous book verse instead of actually asking me what I KNOW I believe. Sorry buddy that is wrong. I do not believe a god exists not yours or Buddha or Thor or anything else. That's it. What would you think if I read in a Egyptian book "those who have "super" in their names are demons who worship Anubis?" And then insisted that is what you believe? You'd think I'm an ass. I'm not gonna tell you what you believe. YOU tell ME that. And I'll tell you what I believe. Ok?
And here is a bit of news for you; God is not out to impress you, he will do what he wants and he answers to no one, and definitely not you!
Then he can't complain that I don't believe in him. If he wants me to believe in him then he must show proof he exists. If he doesn't then he can't expect me to. He made me the way I am right? He KNEW before I was born that I would be this way and planned for me to be this way. So if he's gonna punish me for something he caused and can fix, then he's an asshole. But as of right now I don't believe he's even real. So you're wasting your breath.
Explain what you mean by converting. Because it sounds to me like you're saying atheists should just convert and give in to their persecution. I hope that isn't what you mean. And why should I use the word nice? The goal of Christians is to be like Christ so it seems the most appropriate.
Okay as the last person said it was that athiest want to eliminate Christianity.Now Christians wont force you to be a Christian its your choice not there's so live your live with or without god
No it isn't a choice. You're either convinced or not you don't choose to believe or not to believe. And atheists don't tell people they CAN'T believe in god or even put them down for it. I only see atheists spreading the message you can be good without god and spreading awareness of evidence against him.
Atheism has no goal to eliminate religion. That's happening all on its own. That doesn't mean we're not happy to see it happening. But we're not forcing people to deconvert. And absolutely not persecuting them for it.
And if it is our choice then why are the people in the video treated the way they are?
Mostly were just defending our stance but sure if you see it that way. But Christians do exactly the same and literally just to convert people. And you even threaten people with hell to boot.
And even if we are trying to spread atheism where exactly are we alienating, threatening, or harming people? Where are we infringing on people's rights? Where's our tax exemptions? We're probably doing it through political strength right? Oh wait...none of that is true
Oh god wait I'm not a Christian I'm Catholic different rule's but we still believe in Jesus Christ that's why I said we're not forcing you to believe in god or something?
I am fine with atheism. It's their right to make that choice for themselves. And while I find the overly smug ones like Richard Dawkins annoying, they have a right to freedom of speech like everyone else.
Pffft, encounter intolerance? If there is anything I have learnt from this site, it is that atheists here are probably the most intolerant. Even though I do not think it is deserved.
Just by making this debate you show that you are biased towards your own beliefs and people who share the same beliefs as you. It shows that you are sad and pathetic and are trying to make Christians (like myself) look like bad people (which most of us aren't) Also all beliefs have their good and bad people. No you guys don't deserve it but because you have the audacity to make such a bigoted debate such as this I'm going on this side.
Just by making this debate you show that you are biased towards your own beliefs and people who share the same beliefs as you
No shit, who isn't? They're MY people. My fellow atheists. Of course I'm going to side with them and be more sensitive to this issue than you. Don't even tell me you'd be different.
It shows that you are sad and pathetic and are trying to make Christians (like myself) look like bad people (which most of us aren't)
Where do I claim all christians do this or single you out? That's like saying someone who posts something against abortions is sad and pathetic for trying to make women who have had abortions look like bad people.
Also all beliefs have their good and bad people.
Agreed. Where did I claim otherwise?
No you guys don't deserve it but because you have the audacity to make such a bigoted debate such as this I'm going on this side.
The audacity to make a completely reasonable debate raising awareness of a clear issue in america with supporting evidence via video whilst also acknowledging that not all christians are responsible. Oh how dare I. And its totally not bigotted for your people to constantly shove hell threats and other trash down our throats, pressure young girls into keeping children they're not ready for, and consistantly hold back scientific research and political progress in america in favor of your religions moral values and myths. No, WERE the assholes for complaining about being put down, not your people for doing it. I get it.
1. I would never make a debate offending you or any other atheists.
2.I agree Christians who do things like that in my opinion are bad Christians and saying their myths is just your opinion, but maybe if you didn't generalize I would never have said any of that in the first place.
The atheists in this video are demonstrating why you are wrong. It's not Atheists that are under attack by Christians its the other way around. atheists are trying to erase Religion. Particularly Christianity.
WTF?! Are you daft?! Yeah the vast minority in America and the world is bullying the vast majority. Yup mmhmm. Because I've totally seen Christian kids threatened with violence for what they believe and had them kicked out of places and denyed services. Yup every day.
Sure I'm an atheist and id love to see religion gone. So would many of us. But the idea that were forcing people to deconvert or telling people they CAN'T believe what they want is absurd!
Yes it still happens. We can't practice our religion (no religious symbols on holidays because they might offend someone!). Just the other day a guy in my area was arrested at a DMV for reading the Bible allowed but they officially called it upstructing business or something like that.
You act like that's widespread. That bearly ever happens and nobody even takes that holiday political correctness seriously anyways. But how could you even assert that this is an example of you being PERSECUTED? So you're actually being restricted by the constitution for once. Oh boo hoo so sad I really feel for you. You still own EVERYTHING. You're still the majority and still are pampered and privliged while atheists FEAR telling people what they believe or showing our logo because we get beaten up and alienated for it. When you get beaten up for saying you believe in god then ill take you seriously. Go cry about your minuscule problems
Its not just in an area, its everywhere and our lives are threatened outside of the us in the eastern and middle eastern countries. We also have to "coexist" with others beliefs but we aren't allows to express our own. When have you ever been beaten up for being an atheist?
Its not just in an area, its everywhere and our lives are threatened outside of the us in the eastern and middle eastern countries.
eastern and middle eastern countries
I direct you to the title of the video
We also have to "coexist" with others beliefs but we aren't allows to express our own
THBTTHBTTHBTTHBTHHHHHHHH!!!!!! spitting water out of my mouth
WTF? In god we trust is our countries motto printed on all out money. Under god is in our pledge. Theres a church on every other street with crosses EVERYWHERE. 10 commandment signs outside courthouses. Bibles sold in every book store and used to swear in EVERY political leader save for 1 i know of. your own music genre. and MUCH more and YOU actually claim youre not allowed to express your beliefs? Buddy your beliefs OWN the country.
And whats wrong with coexisting? Im assuming by your snarky tone on this word you DONT want to coexist but dominate the other beliefs and religions. Buddy look around. do you see stars of david everywhere? do you see a crecent moon and star on government buildings? Do you see pentagrams hung proudly upon the necks of politicians? no. You dont. Coexisting is only a problem for those who DONT want anyone else to coexist WITH.
When have you ever been beaten up for being an atheist?
True i have never been physically assaulted, however i am currently alienated by half my family after coming out as an atheist last year and had so much backlast for a link i posted on facebook promoting an atheistic cause that i deleted my profile. And i live in a largely unreligious town by comparison to the rest of america. And just because i havent been physically assaulted doesnt mean A) i never will be and B) nobody else hasnt. Other atheists get beaten up and bullied everyday.
Ummm....I remember Congress trying to take God out of everything: money, pledge, oath, we aren't allowed to have 10 commandment signs now. And no we don't, at least 50 percent is non-Christian.
Well you must be seriously deluded because congress has never addressed these issues aside from when they PUT THEM INTO ACTION. A case was brought to the Supreme Court reguarding the motto and its unconstitutionality and they basically ignored t and dismissed the case having almost unanimous agreement.
Yeah, you aren't allowed to! Because its unconstitutional to have them on government soil (ie in front of court houses). However there are still MANY courthouses with the commandments out front. And even if there's ones that had them removed, inside the courthouse witnesses are still sworn in on a bible so there you go. And once again those signs are UNCONSTITUTIONAL. They shouldn't be there NOT according to what atheists think, but because the freaking constitution outlaws it.
BUT, they're still there. Why? Because Christianity has a monopoly on the nation and can evade the law whenever it wants. The fact that this is now coming back to bite you in the ass isn't our faults.
50% non-Christian. Cool. That would be 15% atheist, 30% Muslim, and like 5% Jews or something. You do realize 50% is still a vast majority right? Non-Christian isn't a unified catagory. You're still the vast majority.
And within that 50% non Christian only 15% are atheists. So that's 50% vs 15%. And you expect me to believe that the mistrusted, misunderstood, and mostly hated minority with no political backing and barely any leadership or drive is beating up your 50% and stealing your rights? Okay buddy enjoy your padded cell.
Damn... I just asked him the same question. I wonder if it had less to do with him being Christian and more to do with him playing trumpet in the school band...?
He's going to really hate atheists after that comment. Just in case he see's this I better add a JK:) in case he really was bullied.
My mother gave me a bullet and told me to keep it in my shirt pocket. Well, one day I was walking down the street and a crazy evangelist came out of nowhere. Well, the evangelist threw his Bible at me and if it wasn't for that bullet in my shirt pocket that Bible surely would have struck my heart.
I've never seen an Atheist discriminated against. That's victimized bullshit the Atheists use as excuses to attack us Christians even though we've done nothing to you. Besides you just admitted atheists want religion gone.
Does it matter? Ive never seen a gay person discriminated against but i know for a fact that it happens. Whether you see it or not is irrelevant. it happens far more than you know. Go to the bible belt and tell people youre an atheist just for kicks, see what happens.
That's victimized bullshit
Victimized bullshit? People got kicked out of their homes and kids get completely alienated from their entire schools. That isnt bullshit, whether you see it or not it actually happens.
the Atheists use as excuses to attack us Christians
Okay now youre just making shit up. Atheists by and large do not attack christians. Not in the way portrayed in the video. We attack your beliefs sure through debate and discussion and whatnot. If you dont want to hear that then its really easy just to avoid it. Ive never seen an atheist actually confront a christian for no reason in public and attack and ridicule them or harm them. That is paranoid bullshit on your part. However i have seen the opposite occur.
even though we've done nothing to you
Are you blind or just really stupid? Your people alienate and attack atheists every single day for the sole reason that were atheists. You condemn us to hell every chance you get and believe it or not thats offensive and rude. And when youre not doing that youre trying desperately to convert us. And you have 50% of the population on your side and were like 15%. Even less than that are active in the community and outspoken.
Besides you just admitted atheists want religion gone.
Yeah sure thats what alot of us want. Whats your point? Were not trying to destroy it or harm and attack anybody. And most all of us couldnt care less if religion exists forever so long as were no longer being abused by it and it's following the rules of the constitution. Which it doesnt. Atheists for the most part care most about spreading awareness of atheism and spreading the message that were not evil or anything. Its a mission to become accepted.
Accepted? Well is mission accomplished believe it or not most Christians don't give a shit if you believe in god or not that's your business when a Christian tells you "your going to hell" it's a warning not a condemnation. We are saying "hey if you don't change your ways you will go to hell" and why would that offend you in the first place? According to most atheists I've talked to hell doesn't even exist so why get upset? And I have never seen nor heard of an attack either physical or otherwise carried out by Christians against an atheist on the grounds of belief. we are not taught to attack or even hate you. Quite the opposite in fact we Christians are taught to Love sinners and seek to help them find salvation you must understand that to us you are lost lamb of Christ's flock and when you challenge our beliefs or try to "spread the word" about atheism all you are doing is leading more people astray. which is what the devil tryed to do in the bible. so even if you mean well (and I'm sure you do) what you are doing is evil. Your severing the devil even if you don't mean to. Any way it is illegal to deny someone services based on race, ethnicity, or religion so the "evicted because I'm atheist" claim is most likely bull shit it sounds like someone just forgot to pay rent.
Accepted? Well is mission accomplished believe it or not most Christians don't give a shit if you believe in god or not
bullshit
that's your business when a Christian tells you "your going to hell" it's a warning not a condemnation. We are saying "hey if you don't change your ways you will go to hell"
translation: because you believe what you believe, i believe you deserve to burn for eternity because your belief is sinful.
believe it or not, that is really really anoyying and offensive to hear
According to most atheists I've talked to hell doesn't even exist so why get upset?
A threat is a threat and mostly it just gets anoyying but being threatened with hell isnt the thing that upsets us the most so youre kind of off track
And I have never seen nor heard of an attack either physical or otherwise carried out by Christians against an atheist on the grounds of belief.
Again, just because you havent seen it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. It happens. And the worst attacks arent the physical ones. its the social and mental ones. The alienation by family and friends. The lack of acceptance. The verbal urges to commit suicide as well as verbal insults in general. Re watch the film please.
We are not taught to attack or even hate you. Quite the opposite in fact we Christians are taught to Love sinners and seek to help them find salvation you must understand that to us you are lost lamb of Christ's flock
Wonderful and i know many christians do that. However not all of them do that and many do the opposite. Sorry to burst your bubble.
when you challenge our beliefs or try to "spread the word" about atheism all you are doing is leading more people astray. which is what the devil tryed to do in the bible.
Tough shit. That doesnt make it okay to do the things that your people often do. And what if someone spreads the word of islam? Or judaism? Or buddhism? Doesnt that mean the same thing? But christians dont attack them because then they get slammed for intolerance of other peoples beliefs. But then they can bully the non religious all they want because everyone else is in on it too.
so even if you mean well (and I'm sure you do) what you are doing is evil.
How bigoted of you
Any way it is illegal to deny someone services based on race, ethnicity, or religion so the "evicted because I'm atheist" claim is most likely bull shit it sounds like someone just forgot to pay rent.
Thats the point! ITs illegal but it happens anyways because nobody cares what happens to the atheists! You do realize that an atheist will never be elected president JUST because theyre an atheist right? And its also illegal to have our counrties motto be "In god we trust" but all the higher ups are christians so nobody cares. And its illegal to have 10 commandments outside every courthouse but again nobody cares. And to have religious icons on government soil but they get off scott free. But if atheists put up this stuff forget it, itd be torn down in days. And many atheist billboards have been valdalized just youtube it. Almost every one gets taken down fast or ripped off by people. Atheists have to fight for equality in the public eye and the government eye
Dude are you serious? So some people don't like that you don't believe in god so what? Many atheists don't like the fact that I do believe in god do you hear me complaining? No you don't. Like it or not leading people away from god is evil it's not bigoted its true it doesn't matter if your promoting atheism, Islam, jewdaism, or Buddhism. And anyway telling you your going to hell isn't an insult its a warning you can get offended all you want it dose not change the fact that your going to hell for the evil that you are committing with your words and mind. And how do you know an atheist can't ever get elected? Has an theist ever ran for public office? No? That's what I thought.
Dude are you serious? So some people don't like that you don't believe in god so what?
Very serious. And its not that they just dont like what we believe because i couldnt care less. its when they actively bully us and also when the government favors them over us.
Many atheists don't like the fact that I do believe in god do you hear me complaining?
The vast majority of atheists dont give a shit what anyone believes. But if the government is favoring that belief, and/or that belief is abusing us then we start to take action.
Like it or not leading people away from god is evil it's not bigoted its true
You THINK it's true. That doesnt entitle you to take action on people you THINK are evil and doing wrong and abuse their constitutional rights or their mental or physical wellbeing. You arent the police so i dont give a damn what you think. (im not accusing you of anything just certain people of your religion).
it doesn't matter if your promoting atheism, Islam, jewdaism, or Buddhism.
Actually it apparently does. If christians get up and rally against Islam or a politician says negative things about islam the backlash is enormous. You never see christians rallying against islam or judaism. But you DO see them picketing against atheism and saying whatever they want for 2 reasons: 1) because theyre the majority in america so everyone pretty much agrees and 2) because all other religions are in with them on it. Thats one thing that all religions, islam christianity judaism and most others can find common ground on. They hate atheists.
And anyway telling you your going to hell isn't an insult its a warning
Most people do word it as a warning but it is an insult. When you say that youre basically saying youre better than that other person and you deserve more and they deserve to be tormented for eternity. i dont think hell even exists, but its still an offensive and bigoted thing to say.
And how do you know an atheist can't ever get elected?
Let me rephrase. An OUTSPOKEN atheist will never get elected. We may have already had atheists in offices but they had to keep it a secret or theydve never been elected or theydve been thrown out of office. There are polls that say atheists are the most mistrusted minority in america and others that show percentages of people who would and wouldnt vote for an atheist president. Most would not. And in texas, north and south carolina, maryland, delaware, and i think tenessee atheists are literally not legally alowed to hold public office.
How have people oppressed atheist? By being upset at signs that bad mouth religion? By puting up manger scenes around Christmas? By haveing "under god" in the pledge of elegance? By haveing "ungodly we trust on the back of our money? Well OH LAWDY somebody call the ACLU. Just because it's a law in those states that atheists can't run dosent mean its still enforced. In manet states its still illegal for a minor to cuss but that isn't enforced. And even if they are the constitution gives freedom of religion atheism isnot a religion so some have taken that to mean atheists aren't protected by it keep in mind atheism didn't exist when the constitution was written. And any way those are southern states I'm a southerner and even I will admit that place is the perverbieal final boss of civil rights movements give it time they will come around...or stop careing. And I'm not going to argue good and evil with you lest we. E here for the remainder of eternity but I will say that turning people away from God is by Christian standards evil and those are the morals of the majority sure I ain't fair but neither is life besides understand whare we are comeing from yes Atheism is a tiny minority but it's growing exponentially 85% of Catholics alone are atheists by the time they graduate collage it's a pretty threatening trend. And you wounded why all the backlash? You trying to wipe us out. Correction YOU ARE WIPEING US OUT.
(sigh) your right. Your right. Christian, Atheist, Jew, Muslem, why dose it matter? Why do we allow our pride to get the better of us? Why can't we exept that some people simply just have different opinions? This is why I try to stay out of these things but I couldent stand it it's like we were being accused as a whole of something only a few people do. And honnestly some of of the things the Atheists said and did in the video I found to be offensive and confrontational. But I should learn to swallow my pride (along with most other people) thanks for being the voice of reason I'll apologize. Latter I'm bussy right now.
by vandalizing and tearing down those signs therby stifling our free speech
By puting up manger scenes around Christmas?
That doesnt oppress us but its unconstitutional if on public ground.
By haveing "under god" in the pledge of elegance? By haveing "ungodly we trust on the back of our money?
Actually yes. Those phrases insinuate that only godly people are real american citizens. Theyre also unconstitutional
Well OH LAWDY somebody call the ACLU. Just because it's a law in those states that atheists can't run dosent mean its still enforced
Because no outspoken atheists ever run. Because all it would take is one fundamentalist asshole to look it up and then its over.
And even if they are the constitution gives freedom of religion atheism isnot a religion so some have taken that to mean atheists aren't protected by it
Wow, you are such a bigotted asshole. Really? so youre really advocating that we shouldnt be given our rights just because we dont believe in god? Freedom of religion also includes freedom FROM religion
keep in mind atheism didn't exist when the constitution was written
wrong, it has always existed and its believed by many that a couple of the founding fathers were actually secretly atheists based on their opinions about religion written in letters and other documents. However, outspoken atheists were killed back then so they had to keep quiet
And any way those are southern states I'm a southerner and even I will admit that place is the perverbieal final boss of civil rights movements give it time they will come around...or stop careing.
Why should we sit around and wait? Theres a reason why were protesting and spreading awareness...to speed up that process. and its working
And I'm not going to argue good and evil with you lest we. E here for the remainder of eternity but I will say that turning people away from God is by Christian standards evil and those are the morals of the majority sure I ain't fair but neither is life besides understand whare we are comeing from yes Atheism is a tiny minority but it's growing exponentially 85% of Catholics alone are atheists by the time they graduate collage it's a pretty threatening trend. And you wounded why all the backlash? You trying to wipe us out. Correction YOU ARE WIPEING US OUT.
Were not actively trying to whipe out religion. that isnt our mission. that is happening by itself really. Our mission is to spread awareness of the unconstitutional actions of religious folk in the US and protect the rights of atheists.
Okay look I think you missunderstood what I was originally saying so you took offence so you got defensive so I took offence and this turned into a fight. I want to apologize. I wasn't trying to accuse Atheists of anything or insinuate that they deserve to be discriminated against. All I ment to say was both sides are guilty. yes Atheists are attacked but they also at least from my point of view gode Christians on a little bit i mean in Colorado Springs near where iLife there is a larger cross on shian mountain to mart Kenny Rodgers memorieal atheists in Colorado Springs have said it offends them and it should be removed I've also heard of atheists making simular requestsin regards to crosses in grave yards to us its like look the people buried there are Christians leave it alone its to honoree there memory you whiney twat. And those billboards really? "Imagin no religion" and you are supprised it sissies us off? I'm just saying you guys go a little to far some times so I will say this. Do atheists deserve what they get in some cases yes in others no. But in closeing I'm sorry for offending you.
I don't think really Christians do persecute atheists at all. I think its the exact opposite and plus Christians are being persecuted every single day. Where as atheists aren't.
christians are the most evil people I have ever known in my life. My pedophile father will never match the evil done by Christians. I do not even want to be a Christian.
If you are saying that Christians are the most evil people then you are insulting other Christians and I because you think we are evil. I don't believe we are evil but in your terms you can say whatever but I don't agree with you.
Christians are only persecuted in uncivil places like the Middle East where both Christians and atheists are killed so it doesn't even count here nor is relevant. We're talking about Christians and atheists, not anyone else. And really only in America. That's it. And guess what, you're not persecuted here. That's like saying that gays are persecuting straight people. It's a lie
Yes we are persecuted her in America its slowly approaching because of what our stand on certain things like gay marriage, abortion, marrying gays, and also in the secular universities Christians are being persecuted because they don't believe in evolution and that they believe in Creationism.
You also have people who are persecuting us when we go to work, in schools, everywhere we turn their is persecution and persecution comes in many different ways.
Yes we are persecuted her in America its slowly approaching because of what our stand on certain things like gay marriage, abortion, marrying gays
All things you should be given backlash for!! And even then YOU'RE STILL THE MAJORITY. And you're not alienated or threatened for them so suck it up!
and also in the secular universities Christians are being persecuted because they don't believe in evolution and that they believe in Creationism.
Did I not just address this? That's a bullshit LIE. They aren't persecuted they're just laughed at because like it or not evolution is true and creation is not. That's just how it is. And being at the college level and having that belief is like a grown adult believing in Santa. You're gonna get laughed at. And if you dont like it 1) don't take those classes or 2) attend a catholic/Christian school, there are plenty believe me.
Did you watch the freaking video? I'm talking about civilized parts of the world not the Middle East. That's where Christians are persecuted but in America they're the most pampered people in the whole nation! You own the government, you have tax exempt churches on every corner, what more do you want? How can you actually propose that you, the VAST majority of he population are being persecuted by the barely 15% (if that) of atheist who most of which don't do anything the people in this video do? You're out of your mind.
I watched a little bit of it. Most secular universities around the United States have Christians who are being persecuted because they don't believe in evolution and they can't say anything against what the teacher says because if they do they will get kicked out of the universities.
Also you have Christians being persecuted here because certain churches won't marry gays, and then you have people insulting us and calling us names and hating on us because of what WestBro Baptist Church does and they think all Christians are like that.
Most secular universities around the United States have Christians who are being persecuted because they don't believe in evolution and they can't say anything against what the teacher says because if they do they will get kicked out of the universities.
That is complete bullshit!!! 90% of colleges are secular and that does not fucking happen! You're a complete liar. To the one person who actually proposed in an Evolutionary Bio class that creationism is true and got laughed at then tough for them, I'd question why they're in that class in the first place. And that extremely infinitesimally small group of people who got laughed at doesn't even come close to the persecution of non believers in ALL of society. Oh and I've never heard of a person who got kicked out of college for disagreeing with a professor. That is a total lie. Debate is almost always encouraged in those settings and even if they argued you can't get removed from campus unless you break serious rules. Stop lying
Also you have Christians being persecuted here because certain churches won't marry gays,
And rightly fucking so!! You're denying people a right to marry and persecuting a whole group of people! You deserve backlash for that! And even then you're still the majority and that still doesn't come close to what you dish out to others so suck it up!
and then you have people insulting us and calling us names and hating on us because of what WestBro Baptist Church does and they think all Christians are like that.
Ohh boo hoo you got called a name. Well atheists get death threats and removed from their homes and alienated from their entire families and friends on a daily basis. And people don't even give Christianity shit for the WBC they just give the WBC shit for the WBC.
To actually propose that these puny insignificant things actually match what you dish out onto atheists is absurd
