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He LIED and Trump is WORRIED Trump can do no wrong
Debate Score:62
Arguments:54
Total Votes:80
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Trump FIRED Flynn because he LIED. Now, Trump says he DIDN'T lie. What's up with that?


He LIED and Trump is WORRIED

Side Score: 26
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Trump can do no wrong

Side Score: 36
1 point

I think when one is a psychopathic liar, they believe everything that comes from their mouth is truth. They are dangerous enough, but, when you develop psychopathic BELIEVERS the situation becomes uncontrollable! Which is where we are today.

Side: He LIED and Trump is WORRIED
DanBongino(111) Disputed
3 points

I think when one is a psychopathic liar, they believe everything that comes from their mouth is truth.

AKA Hillary Clinton, whom you couldn't believe we didn't elect because she was oh so wonderful.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
AlofRI(2732) Clarified
1 point

You can't believe everything that comes out of ANY politicians mouth, but, there is NO comparison between Trump and ANY other Presidential level politician, even Nixon is left behind! Nixon lied with reason, Trump lies with little to NO reason! (AKA: psychopathic!)

I didn't consider Hillary "wonderful", but after 2 years of Trump I may reconsider …… somewhat.

Side: He LIED and Trump is WORRIED
outlaw60(14819) Disputed
1 point

Is there a link to what the CRAZY SOCIALIST is babbling about today ??????????

Side: Trump can do no wrong
outlaw60(14819) Disputed
1 point

Here is a LIAR for you !!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF6iyqpo36c

Now that is a psychopathic liar known as a GODDAMN NIGGER there Socialist

Side: Trump can do no wrong
1 point

Hello again:

Even IF Flynn did plead guilty when he wasn't, that guilty plea cannot be overturned. Even it's proven that he lied, a guilty plea CANNOT be reversed... So, guilty or innocent, he's a convicted felon, and that isn't going to change... The ONLY difference this will make is with his base, and they don't need convincing..

excon

Side: He LIED and Trump is WORRIED
Binkle(29) Disputed
1 point

Hello ExCom

I interprted your dialogue to mean what I was already thinling. Flynn mean jack in the grand scheme of things.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
outlaw60(14819) Disputed
1 point

What did Flynn lie about you FUCKIN CONFUSED SOCIALIST ????????

Side: Trump can do no wrong
FreddyDog(19) Disputed
1 point

Even IF Flynn did plead guilty when he wasn't, that guilty plea cannot be overturned

Ever heard of the word expunge?

ex·punge

/ikˈspənj/Submit

verb

past tense: expunged; past participle: expunged

erase or remove completely (something unwanted or unpleasant).

"I’ve kind of expunged that period from my CV"

synonyms: erase, remove, delete, rub out, wipe out, efface

And another word for you to chew on.

par·don

/ˈpärdn/Submit

noun

1.

the action of forgiving or being forgiven for an error or offense.

"he obtained pardon for his sins"

synonyms: forgiveness, absolution, clemency, mercy, leniency, remission

"pardon for your sins"

verb

1.

forgive or excuse (a person, error, or offense).

"I know Catherine will pardon me"

synonyms: forgive, absolve, have mercy on

Side: Trump can do no wrong
excon(12671) Disputed
1 point

Ever heard of the word expunge?

Hello Freddy:

Expunging a record only HIDES it.. It does NOT remove it or excuse it..

excon

Side: He LIED and Trump is WORRIED
BigOats(1341) Disputed
1 point

a guilty plea CANNOT be reversed

This was true for Stalinist Russia but it's demonstrably false with regard to US law. According to Title 4 Rule 11 Section d) of Federal Rules of Criminal Procedures:

A defendant may withdraw a plea of guilty or nolo contendere:

(1) before the court accepts the plea, for any reason or no reason; or

(2) after the court accepts the plea, but before it imposes sentence if:

(A) the court rejects a plea agreement under 11(c)(5); or

(B) the defendant can show a fair and just reason for requesting the withdrawal.

Michael Flynn hasn't been sentenced yet so formally he has a venue for withdrawing his plea.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
excon(12671) Disputed
1 point

Hello Big:

Good for you.. You found the exceptions.. I didn't list them because the possibilities for invoking them are extremely remote.. Clearly, they are NO help for Flynn..

Let's look at (B).. What would be his fair and just reason for his plea to be withdrawn??

(1) After 33 years of military service, he didn't KNOW that lying to the FBI was a crime.

(2) The FBI DUPED him into lying.

(3) The FBI should have WARNED him that they were LOOKING for lies..

(4) He was ONLY trying to protect his family..

(5) Trump MADE him do it.

DUDE!

excon

Side: He LIED and Trump is WORRIED
2 points

Pretty typical of a politician. Why don't you wonder when Democrats want cameras off during debates?

Side: Trump can do no wrong
1 point

You do understand that Flynn worked for previous administrations and was never targeted until Trump, right?

You do understand that the things they are coming after Trump for are things government officials and Presidents have done many times in the past, right?

You do understand that if the government had been weaponized in this way against any past President, those Presidents would have fled the office or went to prison, right?

That's how clean this guy is as far as actual crimes. They've come at him with nonstop investigations and media hit pieces for two years, and notta. Nothing. Zilch.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
excon(12671) Disputed
0 points

Hello HoneyPie:

The problem Trump had, is the Trump Organization was only about 100 people, and only around 10 people in top management.. He's NEVER incorporated.. He's NEVER had a board of directors to answer to.. In fact, he's NEVER answered to ANYBODY..

He thought government was the same.. He didn't know any better. He's NOT a guy who reads, after all, and if your entire life had been business and NOT government, you shouldn't be EXPECTED to know. That's when you surround yourself with people who DO know..

But, Trump surrounded himself with yes men and crony's.. Rex Tillerson is on record of saying that he had to STOP Trump from breaking the law and violating treaty's.. He's NOT around any more..

Trump didn't DESTROY the shit he did because he's a bad fellow.. He simply doesn't KNOW any better.. If he did, he NEVER would have asked the FBI director for loyalty.. And, he NEVER would have admitted it on national television.. But, he DID, and that's cause he doesn't KNOW any better..

Nonetheless, that's a CRIME. Of course, they're gonna be on it..

excon

Side: He LIED and Trump is WORRIED
HoneyPie7(73) Disputed
2 points

He's NOT a guy who reads, after all

I see. He wrote books and quotes from news articles from a "lack of reading". Makes sense.

But, Trump surrounded himself with yes men and crony's.. Rex Tillerson is on record of saying that he had to STOP Trump from breaking the law and violating treaty's.. He's NOT around any more..

So he got advice that he took, and you can't show us him going around breaking laws. Great argument.

Trump didn't DESTROY the shit he did because he's a bad fellow.. He simply doesn't KNOW any better.. If he did, he NEVER would have asked the FBI director for loyalty.. And, he NEVER would have admitted it on national television.. But, he DID, and that's cause he doesn't KNOW any better..

Not much of an argument against him being some new type of politician, flooded with corruption. The naive guy who doesn't cover up things. Yes, impeach that, for sure.

Nonetheless, that's a CRIME. Of course, they're gonna be on it..

Show us the law statute.

What I know is that real Constitutional lawyers keep laughing at your constant claims and Trump continues on his way. Guess who I believe.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
1 point

In a stunning new development, we’ve learned from a 302 report that proper protocol wasn’t followed to protect Flynn against entrapment. A 302 report contains accounts from the agents of what they said and did while interviewing Flynn, and the FBI waited over half a year to detail the Flynn interview.

The August date on the FBI 302 cited by the Flynn team is nearly seven months after the Flynn interview took place, and about a week after reports surfaced that Strzok had been summarily removed from Mueller’s Russia probe because his persistent anti-Trump communications had surfaced.

Flynn “clearly saw the FBI agents as allies,” according to the 302 prepared by Strzok and another agent.

Flynn’s attorneys alleged that Andrew McCabe pushed Flynn not to have an attorney present during the questioning that ultimately led to his guilty plea on a single charge of lying to federal authorities. According to Flynn’s legal team, and the 302 itself, FBI agents in his case deliberately did not instruct Flynn that any false statements he made could constitute a crime, and decided not to “confront” him directly about anything he said that contradicted their knowledge of his wiretapped communications with former Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
excon(12671) Disputed
0 points

Flynn “clearly saw the FBI agents as allies,” according to the 302 prepared by Strzok and another agent.

Hello Dan:

That's called good cop - bad cop.. I thought you watched Law & Order..

Dude!

excon

Side: He LIED and Trump is WORRIED
outlaw60(14819) Disputed
1 point

Now the LAP DOG is really a CONFUSED DUMMY ! So Dummy what did Flynn lie about you FUCKIN IDIOT ?????????

Side: Trump can do no wrong
0 points

That's called good cop - bad cop.. I thought you watched Law & Order.

Hello hater.

Impersonating a Jew is called fraud. I thought you watched Law & Order?

Side: Trump can do no wrong
0 points

In a stunning new development, we’ve learned from a 302 report that proper protocol wasn’t followed to protect Flynn against entrapment.

Shut up fascist. People who fall into entrapment are still guilty of doing something wrong. The only reason they get off is because entrapment itself is not legal.

Even conversing with you requires taking the time out to read your Nazi propaganda and then checking it against the facts to see how violently you have distorted them. I'd sooner just call you out on being a fascist. It's much less time consuming.

Side: He LIED and Trump is WORRIED
0 points

Trump FIRED Flynn because he LIED. Now, Trump says he DIDN'T lie. What's up with that?

You'll have to get specific. We never know which Communist propaganda hit piece you're referencing.

I'm not clear on which part of the FBI agents present saying he didn't lie, yet wrangled him into a confession to not go bankrupt has you confused.

The agents that entrapped him have all disappeared. We've seen Strzok and McCabe's texts and emails admitting there was nothing. It's objectively true that they claimed over text to have nothing, hated Trump and sought ways to go after him.

Are you a fact hater?

Side: Trump can do no wrong
excon(12671) Disputed
1 point

I'm not clear on which part of the FBI agents present saying he didn't lie, yet wrangled him into a confession to not go bankrupt has you confused.

Hello Spuds:

Couple things.. If he ONLY lied to save his son, what did he tell the Mueller team at their 16 meetings? How many meetings does it take to say I didn't lie, you FORCED me to lie??

And, if that's what he did, Mueller WOULDN'T recommend that he serve NO jail time.. Dude. In the real world, that would NEVER happen.. You get NO time if you SPILLED your guts.. IF you REFUSE to spill your guts, you get the book thrown at you..

You know that, right? You watch Law and Order, doncha? Dude!

excon

Side: He LIED and Trump is WORRIED
HoneyPie7(73) Disputed
1 point

If he ONLY lied to save his son, what did he tell the Mueller team at their 16 meetings?

To try to squeeze him for info they thought he had but didn't have.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
HoneyPie7(73) Disputed
1 point

And, if that's what he did, Mueller WOULDN'T recommend that he serve NO jail time.. Dude. In the real world, that would NEVER happen.. You get NO time if you SPILLED your guts.. IF you REFUSE to spill your guts, you get the book thrown at you..

That's why the Democrats don't want Trump to declassify anything. You thought the Republicans wouldn't leak those redactions through sneaky methods? The Democrats are in real trouble. You don't know that because left wing media is covering up like madmen in a panic.

You know that, right? You watch Law and Order doncha?

Law and Order is fiction. Here's your participation trophy.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
outlaw60(14819) Disputed
1 point

COUPLE OF THINGS you are a FUCKIN IDIOT and a LAP DOG ! Now you FUCKIN IDIOT where is the GODDAMN RUSSIAN COLLISION ????????? Come on STUPID what does your IGNORANT ASS have to say ????????????

Side: Trump can do no wrong
0 points

We never know which Communist propaganda hit piece you're referencing.

Whereas we DO KNOW automatically that everything you say is either going to be false or exaggerated to the point of stupidity. That's a given.

I'm not clear on which part of the FBI agents present saying he didn't lie, yet wrangled him into a confession to not go bankrupt has you confused.

Well, I would assume that he is confused by your purposeful distortion of the facts. Comey is the one who said he "didn't think" Flynn was lying, that was Comey's own personal opinion, and Comey was fired by Trump for being incompetent. Mueller had a different opinion and determined that Flynn WAS lying. What you just wrote is therefore not true, and you are of course fully aware that it is not true.

Side: He LIED and Trump is WORRIED
HoneyPie7(73) Disputed
1 point

Whereas we DO KNOW automatically that everything you say is either going to be false or exaggerated to the point of stupidity. That's a given.

Lame, canned, 8 year old, unoriginal response noted.

Side: Trump can do no wrong
HoneyPie7(73) Disputed
1 point

Mueller doesn't work for the FBI. He's a special council. You got caught giving nonfacts again. Mueller also recommended no jail time. Apparently he disagrees with you in the end.

Side: Trump can do no wrong