At the battle of Zama, Scipio Africanus won, yes. The troop numbers were about even, 40k vs 45k, but the bulk of Hannibal's were citizens, whereas Scipio Africanus had all professional soldiers. But, the romans outnumbered Hannibal in heavy cavalry, something Hannibal had the edge with in every battle. The battle was also chosen by the Romans, in all of Hannibal's previous battles, he was up in Rome or Spain, choosing his battles. Scipio Africanus also never made an Empire.
Why Lee? Ulysses S Grant defeated him, and its not like the Scipio Africanus defeating Hannibal Barca. US Grant has a reputation, and was winning a lot, Hannibal had a reputation, and was winning everything, outnumbered by 2x or more very time. Robert E Lee never made any insanely remarkable battles.
It's great. Without it our economy would be in the toilet. Obamacare is founded on the bases of clubbing children, but, we can use this alternative energy source, of clubbing baby seals. If everybody in the world clubs just one baby seal a year, we can end world hunger, end poverty, and end the liberal party. Now wouldn't that be something!
If Patton was so good why wasn't he the ranking officer of the Allies? Why was he relieved of duty for slapping an infirm? Rommel was the best of his time.
Patton wasn't Eisenhower because he lacked the politics needed for war. He was relieved of duty because he died, a truck hit his car. Rommel certainly was good, but Patton beat Rommel several times.
That'll be the day, they were invaded by the Mongols under Subutai. That was before Russia had any unification. Try it now and you have no chance.
The Russians had been spying on the US bomb efforts since 1942.
We have a huge chance. America is a superpower.
How could they if they were dead?
They wouldn't be dead. They were certainly alive at the end of WWII, right?
In 4 years time China would become communist. I highly doubt Mao loved Americans and their capitalism.
We can win a war in four years. xD
Our allies owned the Middle East, we couldn't invade them. Alaska's oil reserves are still there untapped and will remain there until someone overturns Roosevelt's national reserve laws.
We can capture the Middle East quickly. And we could easily tap into the Alaskan oil, because laws are easily changed in times of war.
The Soviet Union was going to invade Japan until the US dropped the bomb so there must have been a lot of soldiers stationed there.
Give me an actual number and we'll talk.
"First of all Patton was no Hannibal."
Patton was the best general alive at his time. So was Hannibal.
"Second Russia has only been successfully invaded once."
So they can be invaded again.
"Third Russia would have developed an a-bomb before we ever totally conquered them if we could."
Russia only learned how to create the A-Bomb through stealing it. The war was over so we had let our guard down. But, during war, Russia wouldn't have touched our special recipe =)
"Fourth we would have had no allies as Russia could have destroyed them with their millions stationed in Europe."
Japan is pretty darn near close to Russia. If we had attacked Russia, Europe would most likely have sided with us.
"Fifth China would have aided Russia, and theoretically they could amass a larger army."
At that time China loved us. Our Flying Tigers were famous amongst the Chinese people as "Dragons."
"Sixth Russia has a lot of oil and the American economy cannot function without it."
Theres more in the Middle East, and Alaska =p
"Seventh our base closest to Russia was Japan, who would've been wiped out by Siberian forces, and the Japanese militarists."
Siberian Forces can't wipe out the US Military. Who was stationed there.
Yes. Soviet Russia's communist uprising was becoming more and more of a threat. Other countries were turning communist, too. And if we had dealt with it then and there, the Korean War, and the Vietnamese war would have never happened. Along with the mass homicides committed in China, Laos, Cuba, etc. It would have easily saved over 50 million lives. Patton had more experience and skill then any Russian General at that time, and was better equipped. So what if we were outnumbered 2:1. Alexander The Great, Hannibal, Julius Caesar and many more great generals have won with even worse odds, and sometimes they were even under-equipped.
Never talk in caps, if you really need to, go back to Elementary School.
[YOU DON'T SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH KILLING AN INNOCENT LIFE?????]
Don't scratch yourself then. It kills the lives of innocent skin cells. A fetus is also just cells. It is also not human yet.
[WHAT IF YOUR PARENTS DID THAT TO YOU???]
He wouldn't be here. But he also wouldn't have lost anything, because nothing he had ever done has happened.
Your obviously new to this website. I welcome you. =)
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Ninja weaponry is converted farm tools. Spartan weaponry has gone through a thousand of years of evolution. The spear was the best weapon in existence at that time. The hoplon sheild worked wonders, and the Spartans had bronze shinguards and helmet. Ninjas need to be near the enemy to kill. Even a bow requires being somewhat near to the enemy for ninja tactics. Which are: Get in, kill him while he's sleeping, get out. Which mainly consisted of small bladed weapons, black suits, and the like.
[If you are saying that because we believe abortion is wrong then we are taking the rights of Americans then what about the rights of the child as a developing human too?]
Isn't that an American too?Its not an American till it's born.
[So my answer to you is should we pay rapists not to commit rapes and cause unwanted pregnancies too?]
No, they should pay. Them causing unwanted pregnancies is just as bad as people that would deny a woman an abortion. People taking away the right to have an abortion. Screw the "morals" your thinking about. You are trying to take away someone's right. That's another common thing with gun control, people are trying to take away other people's rights. You are taking the rights of the citizens of America. You sir, are the kind of people who send our country down the drain.
[What? Ending a life isn't cruel? So i guess we should let murders and rapes takes place too because those are not cruel acts]
I believe Avasked said mistreatment counted as cruelty. Last I checked, mistreating someone includes murder and rape. Cruelty must involving hurting someone, physically or mentally. The fetus cannot think nor can feel.
You got frustrated with Avesked (however his name spelled) and banned him. That is just like abortions. Your were unprepared for Avesked intelligent rebuttals, and aborted him. This is just like abortion, but slightly worse, because Avesked is a human and can tell whats going on. A fetus is neither human (yet), nor can tell whats going on.
I can't wait till I get banned.
That's your opinion and I respect that, but, there still is a chance of a rapist invading your home. If you fall down the stairs, maybe one in a thousand times you will break your neck. I know that is a small chance, but the consequences for that small chance are drastic. Also, just shouting "I have a gun!" at a robber, will scare them away. Especially if they can't see you, you speak in as low a voice as possible, and with as much confidence as you can muster. Then, cocking your weapon wil double the effect.
In 1995, an 85 year old man's house was robbed, he shot and killed the robber. Later, the police confiscated his weapon. Three days after that, another robber came into his house, the 85 year old man's body was found strangle in his room. Neighbors say he would have been OK if he had had his .22 rifle. They also said he was commonly robbed, when people would see him working in his backyard.
Guns being effective is a good thing. If I was a 40 year old man with a wife and kid, and someone barged into my house trying to rob/harm us, I would shoot him. Also, guns being effective is great for hunting, I've seen people try to hunt with bows, it's insanely hard.
We are not a democracy, we are a republic. In case of a military coup', or a bad president somehow holding on to power, we need guns.
if there was a so called tyrant, then he probably has taken over the militia, and do you think that you would win against a trained solider who probably has better weapons.
The US Armed Forces has 1.5 million personnel. The population is about 350 million. Currently 21.6% of Americans own a firearm. Thats 1.5 million v.s. 60 million. And we have all economic powers on our side. Its hands down, BP and other gas stations have the gas the military needs, and we also have the food they need. We might even be one of the few countries left who's citizens could defeat the military. Also, I just realized this, but in the event of WWIII, we could have 60+ million soldiers. Along with the 44% of the world's military budget, we could easily conquer the world.
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I saw that on an IMAO t-shirt a while ago. Along with, "If you are nervous around guns, down that bottle of whiskey before going to the range" and "No matter how excited you are about buying your first gun, do not run around yelling 'I have a gun! I have a gun!'"
That depends on the person, an elderly person or computer nerd, or any other stay at home person, will be at home. Someone with a very active life might not. Secondly, most robberies (42%) take place on the streets. Only 14% of robberies are home invasion, which normally happen between 8:00 PM and 3:00 AM.
Opinions/Guesses aren't facts.
His men wanted to see their families. They were revolting. If he would have lived a little longer, 20 years or so,he would have made it all the way to China. India was week, Alexander would've kicked ass. By the way, he is the only major world conquerer who never lost a battle.
As a matter of fact I have heard of the ASBMs. Any ballistic missile America has can lock onto a ship, we have thousands of satellites, we can see and lock on to anything in the entire world. By the way, China doesn't have anything to locate and lock onto our ships with.
It's funny how you say Pyg has facts wrong, when you yourself have them, too. 10% of Americans have 90% of the wealth. 1% of Americans doesn't have "all" of it.
Capitalism is the hoarding of power in the hands of 1% of America's population v.s democracy which is the distribution of power into 100% of America's population
Capitalism works through exchanging goods and money, not hoarding it. In a capitalist country, I sell you a ham, you pay me 5 bucks or so for that ham. I buy something else with that 5 bucks, that keeps the economy flowing.
Well, it is human nature to expand territory, become powerful, be dominant, etc. Since people are going to be violent, we need to know how to defend ourselves, which will be violent. If you are a woman and are about to be raped, a gun with save you. If you are a countries leader, and your country is being invaded, a big army will save you. If you are a kid, being attacked by bullies, a minimal knowledge of martial arts will save you.
Nothing solves everything, but violence solves itself.
Imagine you are a professional MMA fighter. You are walking out of a bar, and you see a man raping a woman. Would you kick the mans ass, or just walk away as the woman gets raped?
America is the Heavyweight Champion. If America were to see a tyrannical dictator, they would take him out of power. It would be wrong not to, people could die whilst America just sits back on her leather recliner, watching the new Oprah episode.
Sun Tzu was, really good, (I've read the Art of War twice) but he is no Alexander the Great, Rommel, or Julius Caesar.
The American public would not be weak if we were attacked, or our friends attacked. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, not many Americans had friends there, thus the public didn't support us "that much". But, when Japan attacked us, we cut them into peaces, wiped our asses with them, and then nuked them...twice.
Well, I've always liked the phrase "If it doesn't make cents it doesn't make dollars". Since America has so much money, we must make at least some sense. Anyways, as long as we have our handy purchased goods, like iphones and computers, we can have access to any knowledge we want (even carnal) thus keeping our Capitalist economy thriving, kinda.
If you ask an American who is the Chairman of China, they will just google it on their phone. If you ask any other person that, they might know or they might not.
Are you asking which we prefer? Or something entirely different? Maybe your asking who makes better donuts? Maybe your asking who killed more people? If so Mao Zedong was Atheist and he is responsible for 50-70 million deaths. Joseph Stalin was Atheist, he is responsible for 20+ million deaths. Adolf Hitler may or may not have been Atheist, he is responsible for about 11 million deaths.
Maybe your asking which is a cooler word? Atheisthm (screw the spelling) is like the funnest word to say ever. xD
They are the coolest! I remember being in the back of the playground listening to Disturbed while all the other kids just ran around doing their thing. The bad asses were the ones who would do anything if you paid them a buck, remember? They also were all anti-maintstream. Twilight, Kanye West, Miley Cirus, they loathed all of them.
I dont understand why an American site would delete it , freedom of speech and all that shit.
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The 1st Amendment ,Freedom of to express oneself, is about what the government cannot do to the people. Private school teachers can decide if kids can yell out whatever they like, cunt, fuck, bitch, etc.
It is because of people like you that CreateDebate gets filled up with junky comments, and not intellectual ones like TERMINATOR's. He uses big words (some of which I have to google) and he doesn't post immature insults such as "Terminator is a whiny bitch". He has increased my vocabulary by at least five words, you however, have done little but sit on your bed and try to take down the top dog.
Oops, this was supposed to go in "I say yay!".
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The Spartans would almost definitely win in a head on clash, the phalanx is just like the spears it is made from, devastatingly powerful head on, but weak when attacked from the side. The Roman strategies were very devious when it comes to flanking. Also, the Romans used cavalry, Spartans did not. Google the pre-marian battle tactics to see how smart the Romans were. They used the "checkerboard" formation because it allowed Velites (theirs skirmishers) to fall back quickly. And, they sent the Hastati (light infantry) into battle before the Principes (older, heavy infantry).
I agree with you there, the agoge gave the Spartans the stealth, discipline and cunning to leave their mark in history as the perfect warrior. But, the Roman Legion were also renowned for the discipline, not so much stealth. If the battle were to occur at night I would imagine the Spartans would probably get the jump on the Romans, since the Spartans were sneaky little bastards =)
The immortals were never allowed to drop below 10,000. And, immortals are Persian, not Greek.
I have a large knowledge of Ancient Greece (or, the warfare at least, only a little about the culture).
Why is the Hoplite called the Hoplite?
What is the name of the cavalry unit Alexander the Great fought in?
Who is the Macedonian commander who fought at the battle of Cynoscephalae?
What war was the Battle of Marathon end?
I'm going to play the devils advocate on this one, because I think most people are going to support the Spartans.
1) The Romans have the pila (javelin), they would throw them at the enemy before charging. This would weaken the enemy a great bit.
2) The Romans were heavily armored, with a big square shield as well.
3) The Legions were much more flexible than the phalanx, as proven at the Battle of Cynoscephalae.
4) The Romans had officers, who could make field decisions. The Spartans had to stick with the original battle plan.
5) The Romans used reserves. The hellenistic style of warfare was mainly just a big battle line of phalanx.
ninja were just samurai who wisely imo decided not to kill themselves when their leader's fell
Ninjas were unarmored. Samurai had armor.
But if then training and skill gives samurai - and by proxy ninja - the edge.
Spartans had a much more extensive training. If a Spartan boy was not strong enough he would be killed in the training.
I thought it was generally accepted samurai were the most effective warrior given the technology of the time
I'm pretty fuzzy on Japanese history, correct me if I'm wrong, the Samurai fighter started in 7th century AD, right? Didn't the Frank knights start in 7 AD, too? If my timeline is right, I think most people agree that a knight could beat a Samurai.
Not really fair comparing a world empire with hundreds of thousands of soldiers all working as a single unit to a tiny island with a handful of samurai units fighting amongst themselves.
I agree with you there, Spartan vs. Knight or Legionnaire would have been a better debate, seeing as all of those had big empires.
About 7,000 Greeks fought at the Hot Gates (Thermopylae) 480BC. When Leonidas learned Ephialtes had betrayed Greece, he sent the Athenians back, the only people who stayed were approximately 300 Spartans and 700 Thespians. Ephialtes had told Xerxes I about the hidden pass behind the road.
Thermopylae is pronounced "therm" as in thermometer, "op" as in Spec Op, "i" as in igloo, and "lie" as in lie.
How is Leonidas pronounced? (it is very often mispronounced). Xerxes also should be Xerxes I, because there were many Xerxes' in Persian history.
Ancient Greek and Roman history is my forte, I have spent many hours studying it. I have studied the Battle of Thermopylae extensively.
Yes, working out, running around, etc stimulates the other part of the brain (frontal cortex or something). The smartest kids in the class are the ones who are well rounded. Also, child obesity is getting to be a problem, PE helps to slim them down a bit.
The smartest kid in my class has never been a fat person.
Are you saying Spartans didn't use tactics? The phalanx is definitely something I would classify as a tactic. Ninjas were cowards who only killed people in their sleep. 10,000 Ninjas would never fight 5,000 Spartans. Empires who used the phalanx conquered huge amounts of land, the Ninjas never had an empire, if it weren't for a freak storm (a kamikaze) the Tartars would have wiped out the samurai and the ninjas.
