CreateDebate


Debate Info

35
26
Absolutely Wait. what? Uh.
Debate Score:61
Arguments:16
Total Votes:81
More Stats

Argument Ratio

side graph
 
 Absolutely (18)
 
 Wait. what? Uh. (20)

Debate Creator

Impo(18) pic



If Nazism pretends to be Socialism, shouldn't you be paranoid of Socialists?

Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit". He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that "they had never even read Marx", implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been "a private Russian affair", whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.

Absolutely

Side Score: 35
VS.

Wait. what? Uh.

Side Score: 26
2 points

Hello i:

Nazism doesn't pretend to be anything other than what it is.. PEOPLE, on the other hand, will PRETEND lots about Nazism - socialism too..

You can SEE that dynamic at work right here, on this website.

excon

Side: Absolutely
Impo(18) Disputed
1 point

Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit". He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that "they had never even read Marx", implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been "a private Russian affair", whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.

Side: Wait. what? Uh.
excon(9037) Disputed
1 point

Hello again, I:

So, the point you're making is that even after the Nazi's killed MILLIONS of Soviet socialists, we should believe that Nazis are ACTUALLY just like them.

Ergo, liberal democratic socialists, like Bernie Sanders and me (who're both Jewish) are just like Nazi's..

DUDE!

It's like I said above.. Nazism is NOT like Socialism, but PEOPLE twist shit around to meet their political objectives...

DUDE again.

excon

Side: Absolutely
outlaw60(13224) Disputed
0 points

PEOPLE, on the other hand, will PRETEND lots about Nazism

STUPOR STUPID makes the baseless claim of voters that vote against Socialist everyday LMMFAO !!!!!!!!!!

Side: Wait. what? Uh.
outlaw60(13224) Disputed
-1 points

Communism is at once a complete system of proletarian ideology and a new social system. It is different from any other ideological and social system, and is the most complete, progressive, revolutionary and rational system in human history. The ideological and social system of feudalism has a place only in the museum of history. The ideological and social system of capitalism has also become a museum piece in one part of the world (in the Soviet Union), while in other countries it resembles "a dying person who is sinking fast, like the sun setting beyond the western hills", and will soon be relegated to the museum. The communist ideological and social system alone is full of youth and vitality, sweeping the world with the momentum of an avalanche and the force of a thunderbolt.

"On New Democracy" (January 1940), Selected Works, Vol. II, pp. 360-61.

The socialist system will eventually replace the capitalist system; this is an objective law independent of man's will. However much the reactionaries try to hold back the wheel of history, eventually revolution will take place and will inevitably triumph.

"Speech at the Meeting of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR in Celebration of the 40th Anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution" (November 6, 1957).

We Communists never conceal our political views. Definitely and beyond all doubt, our future or maximum program is to carry China forward to socialism and communism. Both the name of our Party and our Marxist world outlook unequivocally point to this supreme ideal of the future, a future of incomparable brightness and splendor.

"On Coalition Government" (April 24, 1945), Selected Works, Vol. III, p. 282.

Taken as a whole, the Chinese revolutionary movement led by the Communist Party embraces the two stages, i.e., the democratic and the socialist revolutions, which are two essentially different revolutionary processes, and the second process can be carried through only after the first has been completed. The democratic revolution is the necessary preparation for the socialist revolution, and the socialist revolution is the inevitable sequel to the democratic revolution. The ultimate aim for which all communists strive is to bring about a socialist and communist society.

"The Chinese Revolution and the Chinese Communist Party" (December 1939), Selected Works, Vol. II, pp. 330-31. *

Socialist revolution aims at liberating the productive forces. The changeover from individual to socialist, collective ownership in agriculture and handicrafts and from capitalist to socialist ownership in private industry and commerce is bound to bring about a tremendous liberation of the productive forces. Thus, the social conditions are being created for a tremendous expansion of industrial and agricultural production.

Speech at the Supreme State Conference (January 25, 1956).

The serious problem is the education of the peasantry. The peasant economy is scattered, and the socialization of agriculture, judging by the Soviet Union's experience, will require a long time and painstaking work. Without socialization of agriculture, there can be no complete, consolidated socialism.

"On the People's Democratic Dictatorship" June 30, 1949), Selected Works, Vol. IV, p. 419.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/red-book/ch03.htm

STUPOR STUPID do you see how you earned the name ? U are a Classic Idiot

Side: Wait. what? Uh.
1 point

Nazism doesn't PRETEND to be socialism. It IS socialism. It's a more accurate definition of the word Fascism, but with antisemitism.

Side: Absolutely
1 point

If a pedophile pretends to not be a pedophile, should you be paranoid of people who aren't pedophiles?

Side: Wait. what? Uh.
Impo(18) Disputed
1 point

Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit". He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that "they had never even read Marx", implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been "a private Russian affair", whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.

Side: Absolutely
outlaw60(13224) Disputed
1 point

Under the leadership of the Communist Party, the Chinese people are carrying out a vigorous rectification movement in order to bring about the rapid development of socialism in China on a firmer basis. It is a movement for carrying out a nation-wide debate which is both guided and free, a debate in the city and the countryside on such questions as the socialist road versus the capitalist road, the basic system of the state and its major policies, the working style of Party and government functionaries, and the question of the welfare of the people, a debate which is conducted by setting forth facts and reasoning things out, so as correctly to resolve those actual contradictions among the people which demand immediate solution. This is a socialist movement for the self-education and self-remolding of the people.

"Speech at the Meeting of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR in Celebration of the 40th Anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution" (November 6, 1957)

If a pedophile pretends to not be a pedophile, should you be paranoid of people who aren't pedophiles?

What does your response have to do with REALITY ????????????????

Side: Absolutely

Very good post!

Damn Hitler was DEEP wasn’t he. Now let’s completely sidestep the whole killing the Jew thing, ok? I know it’s hard to block it when talking about Hitler - but please try for a minute.

>>Hitler had the political/economic thing nailed down to a tee. He culled the worst of both sides and used the best parts of BOTH sides. Communism completely removes private ownership (redistribution on steroids). Capitalism allows profits to be concentrated in a small group more and more, until the Corporations just get gigantic (which starts to be a “government “ in itself.

NS is a great way of keeping some free market, but taking care of your citizens health, retirement, etc in a group manner. Some of what America has, but with a leash on it

Great system

Too bad the Jew thing scarred it so bad

Side: Wait. what? Uh.
excon(9037) Disputed
3 points

Now let’s completely sidestep the whole killing the Jew thing, ok? I know it’s hard to block it when talking about Hitler - but please try for a minute.

Hello S:

It IS hard. I might even be ABLE to get over it. After all, it was a long time ago. That was then and this is now... Or IS it??

I've been reading your posts for a long time now, and it is definitely NOT past. You HATE the Jews just like Hitler hated the Jews.. You're a holocaust denier. Oh, you admit that a few million were murdered but not 6,000,000, as though gassing a few million less would make all ok.. You think the world should be culled of human beings, and I'm sure you think Jews should FIRST on that list..

Just look at your fucking avatar.. Add one more zig zag, and it's the motherfucking Nazi SS..

Yeah, it IS too bad about the Jew thing, isn't it?

excon

Side: Absolutely
Slavedevice(990) Disputed
1 point

I assure you my avatar has no ties to Nazism- go research it. It is an Anti-Abrahamic symbol but nothing to do with the Nazis.

And yes my views are Darwinistic- but I support weeding totally on idealism and intelligence and nothing based on genetics.

There’s no debating that we need a purge of some sort.

Side: Wait. what? Uh.
outlaw60(13224) Disputed
0 points

Hello again, I:

So, the point you're making is that even after the Nazi's killed MILLIONS of Soviet socialists, we should believe that Nazis are ACTUALLY just like them.

Ergo, liberal democratic socialists, like Bernie Sanders and me (who're both Jewish) are just like Nazi's..

DUDE!

It's like I said above.. Nazism is NOT like Socialism, but PEOPLE twist shit around to meet their political objectives...

DUDE again.

excon

Nazis killed Socialist and not Jews according to STUPOR STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Wait. what? Uh.
0 points

The Nazis pretended to be socialists because Marxism was becoming a huge influence in Germany and they wanted the left wing vote.

Your "theory" that we should be paranoid of socialists is retarded, since clearly the Nazis pretended to be something better than they were. The people you should be paranoid of are the ones with the same views as the Nazis (i.e. American Conservatives).

And the irony is that one of the main reasons you need to be paranoid about American Conservatives is that they keep turning the truth upside down and saying retarded things like the Nazis were socialists.

Side: Wait. what? Uh.
outlaw60(13224) Disputed
1 point

Our state is a people's democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on the worker-peasant alliance. What is this dictatorship for? Its first function is to suppress the reactionary classes and elements and those exploiters in our country who resist the socialist revolution, to suppress those who try to wreck our socialist construction, or in other words, to resolve the internal contradictions between ourselves and the enemy. For instance, to arrest, try and sentence certain counterrevolutionaries, and to deprive landlords and bureaucrat-capitalists of their right to vote and their freedom of speech for a specified period of time - all this comes within the scope of our dictatorship. To maintain public order and safeguard the interests of the people, it is likewise necessary to exercise dictatorship over embezzlers, swindlers, arsonists, murderers, criminal gangs and other scoundrels who seriously disrupt public order. The second function of this dictatorship is to protect our country from subversion and possible aggression by external enemies. In that event, it is the task of this dictatorship to resolve the external contradiction between the enemy and us. The aim of this dictatorship is to protect all our people so that they can devote themselves to peaceful labour and build China into a socialist country with a modern industry, agriculture, science and culture.

On the Correct Handling of Contradictions among the People (February 27, 1957), 1st pocket ed., pp. 6-7.

Read you IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Absolutely