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Progressives are all about open borders and letting every minority in the US until it becomes a problem and then the Old Tired Blame Game starts. The Progressives are just to predictable !
But wait, hold the phone.... You're a legless Cherokee on a reservation in Oklahoma. Why the hell aren't you screaming fvck yeah to this? You're not white, you're red. These bastards took your land and pushed you to the parts of OK they didn't want way back then. Why wouldn't you want them to be in the minority instead of you?
1)Native Americans have zero shot of becoming the majority.
2)If the white man isn't in control, other races are not obligated to our treaties.
3)Whites cause less violence because of their culture statistically and it isn't close. Why would I want violent groups to become the majority?
4)Minorities tend to be rather self race oriented, so the white man would simply become the one flooded with racism against them, and it would be seen as justified by those who see themselves as "the oppressed".
5)Whites of today have nothing to do with the Trail of Tears.
6)Seeing the most civilized culture in human history give its country away is disgusting.
7)Why do the Natives have to hand over America... again, but to a different group?
You do realize though that NO ONE ever kept ANY of their treaties toward your people? That's unlikely to change no matter who is in charge.
And you do also realize that this whole chain of arguments sounds very much like a white man pretending to be Native American and not an actual Cherokee?
Those treaties are what allows the zoning of Native land, federal funding of tribes, and casinos. It's also why we police our own territory. Once the white guilt is gone, that probably all disappears.
Not really. Many natives have no desire to bring in even more unwanted peoples. I have my CDIB card, get free medical care, and get free food whether I am poor or rich. I have no need to change it. Liberals are a threat to the Native ways, treaties, and per mass immigration.
Really? Because the federal government is apparently one of their largest employers, and their crushing poverty makes them rely on many of the programs you criticize as being liberal extortions from the rich.
Just because I can plainly see that socialism and welfare states lead to destruction and economic collapse, doesn't mean I won't take the free goodies if someone is stupid enough to hand them to me. I can watch someone hand away their fortune like an idiot, take said fortune that they offered me, and still know they were an idiot for handing it over. I know that if I don't take it, they'll just give it to someone else. That doesn't mean I think it's smart or good politics.
You spout angst and venom and mockery and then go suck society's teat
Not actually. The food money comes to the card. I give the food to my neighbors. I get said food as a part of an individual sovereign nation (tribe). Said tribe's activities are none of White man's business. The food isn't eaten by me but by others. You'll need to find another tree to bark up.
Every time you add to your original story it simply becomes that much more improbable.
Like I said once before, I really have no way to confirm whether you or anyone on this site are any of the things you claim to be. But odds are, both because people on the internet lie and because the story seems against odds anyway, that you are not a
veteran
legless
Cherokee
on a reservation town
receiving government aid but handing it right over to your neighbors
But hey, I could be wrong.
Doesn't really matter anyway. I don't expect to ever really know. And I don't care much regardless other than as a point to debate about occasionally.
In your head you think you are a lion championing your side
Not really. I railed against Bush Jr and still do. But in Trump's case, the left has nothing on him, thus I point and laugh until they do. Once they do, which wouldn't be today, then I'll give it up. But they don't and probably won't.
Ha. The left has nothing on Trump. Trump has more skeletons in his closet than anyone to ever hold office in this country, and he keeps whipping them out himself and tweeting he doesn't have them.
Seriously, you're entitled to your opinion and I don't expect to change it, but when people are outlandishly over the top either for or against something it just loses all credibility and you're smart enough you should know that already. They haven't taken down Trump yet. Maybe in fact they won't. But to say no one has anything on Trump is just the most outlandish thing anyone could claim about him. Heck, he's settled lawsuits even while in office. He has multiple lawsuits, credible ones, pending against him now. But your position is he is essentially squeaky clean.
I'm looking forward to my glass of wine later. Maybe I'll have a second and toast to legless Cherokee veteran philanthropists.
Ha. The left has nothing on Trump. Trump has more skeletons in his closet than anyone to ever hold office in this country, and he keeps whipping them out himself and tweeting he doesn't have them
Bill Clinton had skeletons breaking down the door. The left tells us how great he was. Skeletons are meaningless as to whether he is a good President. They have no proof of any political skeletons, thus they got nothing by their own standard.
Bill Clinton's skeletons gave him blowjobs. Trump's skeletons are Mafia and Kremlin. I'm not defending Bill, I'm just saying Trump is in a dubious class all his own, and to say he is squeaking clean is just unfathomable.
Seriously, you're entitled to your opinion and I don't expect to change it, but when people are outlandishly over the top either for or against something it just loses all credibility and you're smart enough you should know that already
Okay. Show us something that Trump has done, as President, that can be proven, that is "bad", that Obama never did himself.
And how has this negatively affected the every day American's life. And if not, then why should I care if the economy and our safety has been fine? I ask because politics is riddled with conflicts of interests. Lobbying in general is a conflict of interest. The Clintons redefined conflicts of interests.
Really???? REALLY???? You're on the dole??? You're FEEDING at the public trough??? If they're STUPID enough to hand it out, you're SMART enough to take it???
DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dunno if you have TV on the res, but you've probably seen Astrazenica ads, where they say "if you can't afford your medication, Astrazenica can help".. Years ago there was a time in my life when I COULDN'T pay for my medication, so I took advantage of their offer..
I don't stay down long, as you know, so when I didn't NEED their help anymore, I DIDN'T take it.. Yes, they were "stupid" enough to keep on doling it out, but I didn't NEED it, so I didn't TAKE it.. Had I taken it, it would be like ME saying to them that I still NEEDED their help, and that would have been a LIE. Some of us, DON'T lie.
You probably think I'm a fool for not taking "free" stuff. Clearly, you're not that foolish... What else is there to say??
Really???? REALLY???? You're on the dole??? You're FEEDING at the public trough??? If they're STUPID enough to hand it out, you're SMART enough to take it???
DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well yeah. Remember? Your people stole our land. Social Justice Con. Social Justice. Of course I'll take it. You just demanded it when you said everyone should pay for your medical bills. Don't be outraged that someone would take $100 if you handed it to them. Any sane man would take it. That's how your party has leveraged African Americans. Bribes. The only difference is I take the bribe, realize you are a fool, disagree with the bribe's logic, and still vote against you like a free thinker while laughing all the way to the bank.
I would NEVER hold myself up to be BETTER than you, except THIS one time... I dunno if you have TV on the res, but you've probably seen Astrazenica ads, where they say "if you can't afford your medication, Astrazenica can help".. Years ago there was a time in my life when I COULDN'T pay for my medication, so I took advantage of their offer..
So you are no better than I am. If you have a choice between a kick in the nuts and a free meal, you took the meal.
You're still not getting it.. Maybe it's your right wing gene.. I took the meal because I NEEDED it. You take the meal because you CAN.
Here's some stuff I learned... As I go through my day, I make certain agreements with my fellow citizen.. When someone says here's some help if you need it, and I DON'T need it, but take it ANYWAY, it would make me a BALD FACED LIAR.. I don't go through my day LYING and CHEATING people.. I simply don't. If a cashier gave you change for $10, but you only gave him $5, do you KEEP it? The cashier IS pretty stupid, of course.
You and I are SOOOOOO different, and I couldn't BE happier...
I take the meal because the government gives federal funding to the tribe, which automatically puts it on my card whether I want it or not. Many times I give the food to other people. Your barking up a tree that you know nothing about. You also support a socialized system, so to then turn and bitch about a micro socialized system that is and has been a part of the Native American system is circular reasoning. We've always gotten food and medical benefits. It's OUR tribe. We do what we want with OUR tribe and OUR funds. We take care of US, and are responsible for US. Your culture would be wise to do the same.
I don't go through my day LYING and CHEATING people.. I simply don't. If a cashier gave you change for $10, but you only gave him $5, do you KEEP it? The cashier IS pretty stupid, of course.
I don't either. The funds are put on the card whether I was a liar, a cheater, a nun, a liberal, an alien from outer space. That's not "lying" or "cheating". It's there no matter what I want or what I do. I also give the food to my neighbors.
The cashier isn't in an agreement to allocate those funds to me. The tribe is.
I don't stay down long, as you know, so when I didn't NEED their help anymore, I DIDN'T take it.. Yes, they were "stupid" enough to keep on doling it out, but I didn't NEED it, so I didn't TAKE it..
Interesting logic Con. You just scolded me in another debate because I said you should pay for your own shit concerning medical bills and are owed nothing. Now, you wouldn't take the hand out for some "moral" reason. Bwahahahhahahahahaha!
You probably think I'm a fool for not taking "free" stuff. Clearly, you're not that foolish... What else is there to say??
You demand free health care paid for by God knows who... but wouldn't take free stuff. I'm Native American. It's put on my card whether I take it or not. If I don't take it, the money just vanishes, which would be stupidity. A system that puts it on the card simply because of my race is stupidity. But that's the system liberals have a hard-on to create. Are you mad that you got your way concerning the highest ranking member on the oppression olympics totem poll, AKA the Native American? Interesting. I'll put that in my thesis. Maybe you'll be taking back Affirmative Action next because blacks shouldn't get a free pass into a school or a job simply based on race. Of course you won't. It just wouldn't look right as a leftist. Someone with SJW disorder may wave their finger at you in shame.
Notice that Oklahoma is the hotbed of Native American tribes. Now tell me whether Oklahoma voted Republican or Democrat this election...or any election.
Really? Because when I surf trying to find out general info on reservations it lists the states where most of the focus is happening and Oklahoma doesn't come close to top of the list.
"most civilized culture in human history" You mean racism, sexism, religious discrimination, and bigotry, compounded with the tendency to stick your nose in other countries' business? Civilized indeed.
Also, whites cause less violence, but they cause more of different crimes, like fraud. This is more divided by economic status than it is by race.
You mean racism, sexism, religious discrimination, and bigotry, compounded with the tendency to stick your nose in other countries' business
You just described every culture that has ever existed. In Africa, white refugees are stuck in slum camps. Blacks make up 12% of the U.S. population, yet commit 50% of the crime.
compounded with the tendency to stick your nose in other countries' business? Civilized indeed.
If 9/11 and the streak of jihad attacks had never happened, America wouldn't have wasted its people and time for nearly 2 decades in the threshold of hell, AKA, the Middle East.
You forgot all the aid given by the West to refugees, asylum seekers, and the impoverished across the world. All other world cultures couldn't care less from Asia, to Africa, to the Middle East, to South America. Hating the West when you are from the West is stupidity at its worst.
Also, whites cause less violence, but they cause more of different crimes, like fraud.
Pointing out the facts about every majority race's actions and stats in every country on Earth doesn't help your case. Ignoring how much the West donates compared to non Western countries does not help your case. The Chinese will not be feeding the hungry in Africa any time soon. Neither will Iran or Saudi Arabia. Maybe you should call the Salvation Army. Where are they located? Ahem...