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Debate Score:223
Arguments:215
Total Votes:261
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Are Christians followers of Christ?

So many Christians claim that they are followers of The Messiah, yet, they don't follow anything that The Messiah did. Christ never celebrated Christmas and all these other worldly holidays; Christ never ate unclean meats; The Messiah never broke the LAWS; The Messiah kept the Shabbat Holy; The Messiah celebrated HOLYdays, etc.... all these things that the so called "Christians" do today, The Messiah never did them. 

So why is it that "Christians" say they are followers of Christ if they never actually follow anything Christ has ever done?

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Side Score: 105
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Side Score: 118
2 points

jesus, in his earthly life, was a devout jew. he BROUGHT us, if you will, the new religion of Christianity thru his death and resurrection. in reality he interceded for us with God. we are weak. we fail repeatedly. we stumble and fail. but its not on our own merit, but grace that we claim the title.

Side: YES
Yahshraela(79) Disputed
1 point

So how does that show that you all are actual followers of Christ?

Side: NO
JesusFreak7(48) Disputed
0 points

By how we live our lives, I know a lot of people who claim to be followers of Jesus Christ, but ACT totally opposite of what they say. You have to watch how people live their lives, and not just hear their words.

Side: YES
Yahshraela(79) Disputed
1 point

By the way, I don't know what "us" you are talking about because Christ was not sent for everyone.

Side: NO
JesusFreak7(48) Disputed
0 points

What is this nonsense coming out of your mouth Yahshraela??? The Bible clearly states that Jesus came to save the world. John 3:16-17 says "16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." I may not know all the scriptures, but i know enough to say that all your words on here are not in line with scripture.

Side: YES
2 points

Christian just means that you follow Christ. You do that by being sorry for and changing your mind about your sins. Good works are the result of, not the cause of, salvation. Yeshua died on the cross so that you may be saved.

Side: YES
Yahshraela(79) Disputed
1 point

Christian just means that you follow Christ.

That's why I'm asking are Christians followers of Christ because they certainly don't follow anything Christ did. In fact, they do the opposite. To them Christ died so that they can continue sinning, apparently, to them, He came to destroy the Law but the Bible says we must still keep the Law. That is the reason why Revelation 14:12 says, " Here is the patience of the saints:here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Christians keep no commandments, therefore they are all going to be destroyed. Christians worship Jesus instead of God taking the power away from The Most High God of Israel, yes Christ must to be acknowledged as the Savior of Israel, but He is not to be worshiped, etc.... Christ never did any of these things and that is the reason why Christians are wicked they do the opposite of the Bible.

Side: NO
2 points

I agree that Christians are often hypocrites. I was cyber bullied by Christians until I was suicidal. My approach is to reorm the Christian faith instead of leaving it. Please know that there are Christians out there who support gay and bisexual rights as well as the rights of women.

Side: NO
PattyPlatano(96) Disputed
1 point

Christian just means that you follow Christ

Sorry to contradict you hun but that is the no true Scotsman fallacy. You don't have to believe in Christ to be a Christian...

Side: NO
KNHav(1957) Clarified
1 point

Of course we are banned from Saintnow's debate. Surprise, surprise!

There is also a miscalculation when BC and AD began to mark time. It is about four years difference. It's a known historical adjustment, we had already established years so historians couldn't change it, so it just known.

It's unfortunate and can add confusion. But my opinion is that we are not to know the day or hour, and we should be ready anyway. And people who don't want to see the truth of God, God lets them stay in darkness, and if four years off by a mistake of historians is enough of an excuse to dismiss God, they probably weren't going to be His, even if He sat down beside you and showed them everything Himself.

It's pretty amazing to mark all time as a standard for all to identify years in history, to go from a few non-violent non- militant believers who were persecuted, stoned, fed to lions, burned alive, etc to then fulfilling prophesies, many peophesies, about the Jewish Messiah going out to be a faith for all people of all Nations, a miracle in itself.

There are many that prophesy this.

Re: Census Bethlehem

At one time, it was thought that Luke had completely missed the boat concerning the events he portrayed surrounding the birth of Christ (Luke 2:1-5). Critics argued that there was no census and that everyone did not have to return to their ancestral home. They also pointed out that Josephus had dated the governorship of Quirinius of Syria, whom Luke mentions, as beginning in A.D. 6, too late for the birth of Christ.

In every case, however, archaeological discoveries proved the critics to be wrong. In the case of Quirinius, it was found that he had actually served two separate terms as governor, the first beginning around 7 B.C., which fits perfectly with the time of Christ's birth. F. F. Bruce, one of the most respected of New Testament scholars, noted that where Luke has been suspected of inaccuracy by modern critics, archaeology has again and again proved Luke to be right and the critics wrong.

The evidence begs the question that if Luke was this careful to get his facts right about names, places, events and dates, can we not be confident that he was just as careful to get his facts right concerning the more important things about which he reported, such as the virgin birth of Jesus Christ?

Side: YES
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

This scripture prophesy also have a cluster of prophesies that would need to be fullfilled for each to be fulfilled.

So prophetic intrusion by God in His Word, takes predictions to prophesy, which is predictions based on possibility, to prophesy - pre-written history, which is complicated.

But it also knits prophesies together in clusters like cells, building history.

Complicating even miracles of prophesy to clusters of prophesies ALL needing to be fullfilled for the next in a cluster.

If you really look at prophesy, and realize it's difference from "predictions"

Then you realize prophesy is like layers, with many prophesies knit together like cells all dependent on each other for each individual fulfillment, I think it's a greater feat than cells mutating and accidentally on purpose resulting in intellegent design!

My argument is God has proven Himself through history, as the Bible was being written.

Can you show me how it's not detailed in prophesy with an accuracy as if history was knit together, as your cells in evolution?

And can you show me any historical documentations of the Bible that is riddled with inaccuracies?

Another Prophesy:

Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion

(Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10).

Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to 13th power.)

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http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible

Side: YES
2 points

Well the name suggests so,and as far as the argument goes,it's a proven fact that 80% of each and every religion go against the regulations and particular norms which is followed by that religion;It's not just the Christians it's everybody

Side: YES
Yahshraela(79) Disputed
1 point

I'm confused as to what you are saying. Are saying that Christians are followers of Christ and at the same time are not followers of Christ?

Side: NO
Amritangshu(892) Disputed
2 points

They are of course followers of Christian but they may not abide by Christian principles

Side: YES
1 point

Yes Christians are followers of Jesus Christ. That is what it is meant by being a Christian.

Side: YES
Yahshraela(79) Disputed
1 point

So if Christians are "followers" of Christ, why don't ya'll keep any commandments? Why do ya'll do the exact opposite of what Christ did?

Side: NO
Srom(12197) Disputed
1 point

We do keep our commandments. Just because maybe 1 Christian doesn't follow the commandments doesn't mean all of us do. That's the problem with society these days they think that all Christians are like that but we aren't.

Side: YES
1 point

So why is it that "Christians" say they are followers of Christ if they never actually follow anything Christ has ever done?

You even quoted the world Christian. That shows that you do not regard non-followers as Christians in your head.

That is why Christians are followers of Christ and "Christians" are not followers of Christ.

Simple and logical.

Side: YES
0 points

The correct tedminology should be "hangers on" those who are trying to get some gain from being seen to believe when they are actually just as lost as most of humanity when it comes to religion.

"Believe in thyself" is a great motto.

Side: YES
0 points

Umm, yeah! It's kind of in their name! Right there in front of your nose!

Side: YES
Yahshraela(79) Disputed
0 points

Okay, and what does the name of the religion have to do with what Christians do. Did Christ celebrate Christmas? Where is Christmas in the Bible? Did He celebrate the 4th of July? Where is the 4th of July in Scripture? Christians are wicked and rebellious, they use one verse in the Bible to justify what they do.

Side: NO
2 points

Ha! He/she can't answer yo question because he knows he a damn demon and wicked as hell. Ain't no Christmas, thanksgiving, halloween, etc...none of them pagan helladays in the Bible.

Side: NO
Amarel(5000) Clarified
1 point

I wasn't aware of the Pagan roots of the 4th of July or Thanksgiving. I thought they were more recent than that. Does this mean that a Christian can't celebrate anything that happened after the Bible was written?

Side: YES
Doubtful(10) Disputed
1 point

Christmas is the birth of Jesus, you ignorant buffoon. Of course Christ didn't celebrate the 4th of July, because 1. He was born in Jerusalem, later moving to Nazareth( Both in the northern Galilee region, for your stupid brain) 2. America was birthed a nation in 1776.. Christ died long before this... please think before you type, because honestly I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and SHIT a better statement than that..

Side: YES

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s followers never gave an 'I have a dream' speech either.

L. Ron Hubbard's followers never created a for-profit religion based on their experience writing bad science fiction.

Muhammad's followers never married an underaged.... ok, they didn't marry the SAME underaged girl.

Side: NO
thousandin1(1932) Clarified
2 points

FYI: Debate has been edited since I posted. Originally the debate was entitled "Christians are not followers of Christ" With the 'NO' side indicating denial of the statement.

OP Did a switcheroo, changing the debate title to "Are Christians followers of Christ" after people had already posted, switching the meaning of the YES and NO sides.

Pretty dishonest if you ask me.

Side: YES
1 point

I agree, and pretty sly on the debate creator's part, so he gets the side he wants to win to be on the higher side. Well I can see right through that though. Plus the debate creator and i dont have a friendly relationship on here because he is saying white people are going to hell, when the Bible clearly says that is not true.

Side: NO
Yahshraela(79) Disputed
0 points

No, your answer still applies to the question. "Are Christians followers of Christ?" You said NO, so your answer is still in agreement with the topic.

Side: YES
2 points

I'm unsure where to place my argument, since the answer to a declarative statement are never "yes" and "no". "Christians are not followers of Christ" is a statement, not a question.

But you keep talking about how we celebrate all of these holidays that Jesus Christ never celebrated. He never celebrated Christmas because he was Jesus Christ. Although, you could argue that Christmas was never a Christian holiday and it was founded upon the pagan Winter Solstice Festival. The other holidays like Easter and whatnot are actually also pagan holidays. Ever wondered what a big bunny delivering candy to everyone has to do with Christianity? Absolutely nothing.

I also agree with something else. In the Bible, Jesus never mentions his ideas of homosexuality. And some Christians hate and oppress homosexuals. Jesus was supposed to encourage love and kindness to one another and he even said disregard the Old Testament, condemning homosexuality. So he was technically disregarded homophobia. Yet his supposed followers oppress homosexuals.

I am not a Christian, but I thought I might want to respond to this.

Side: NO
1 point

Are so called "Christians" followers of Christ? The term "Christian" means "Christ-like", so those who are not following Christ are by definition not Christian. Therefore, the difference of one being nominally Christian and one being truly Christian cannot be ignored. So there is a big difference between somebody who sits around and just believes a set of doctrine while living a hedonistic lifestyle contrasted with a missionary helping feed poor people in places like Africa, South America, etc,….

Jesus actually did break the sabbath and some of the other laws, and he told his followers to do so, just to clarify. He also told the pharisees to bleep off a couple of times, and he drove merchants out of the temple with a whip. This mixes things up a bit.

Side: NO
-1 points

HELLL NNNAAAA!!!!

These Christians is wicked as hell. They don't keep any commandments. Christianity was created by the devil himself and everyone in it are his minions. Christians are some wicked folks man.

Side: NO
JesusFreak7(48) Disputed
1 point

Are you out of your mind!?!?!? Christians are not wicked people, but we are not perfect either, we are human just like the rest of the people in this world and we deal with the same struggles that you deal with, so why are you saying Christians are wicked people? Im going to totally disagree with you on that point, plus that was so low of you to say.

Side: YES
TruthExposed(6) Disputed
2 points

Get the hell outa here ya damn devil. Ya'll crackers is some wicked creatures. Ya'll Christians wana say we follow Christ man Christ wasn't no damn devil like you sick creatures yall don't even follow anything in the Scrips so how the hell are you a follower. aha you a cracker, KKK, ya'll people killed us like if we was animals man that some sick demonic stuff yall did. Christ aint no damn cracker creatur so hell na yall following yourselves yall made a jesus to fit ya own people wicked as demons. get the hell on off this debate cracker go worship your beast else were. ya'll should be in the zoos cus yall is wild, like dem wild animals man yall belong in a damn zoo that's where you belong.

Side: NO