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Hillary and Dem's want to buy more votes with free college while our debt is 18 TRILLION!
The Democrat party has truly been taken over by extremists who are corrupt politicians who constantly want to buy votes with our tax dollars. I ask you, are all Democrats complete morons or do a few of them have any common sesne at all?
These fools pushing this hogwash are using the same lies as politicians have been saying for decades. They say we should spend more on free College to get all these graduates to grow the economy and then the added tax revenue will cut our debt. LIE, TOTAL LIE! IT NEVER HAPPENS! OUR NATIONAL DEBT NEVER COMES DOWN AFTER A RECOVERY IN OUR ECONOMY! THEY ALWAYS SPEND THE ADDED REVENUE AND NEVER PUT IT TOWARDS THE DEBT! IT ALWAYS KEEPS GOING UP!
Who do you think will pay for free College? THE MIDDLE CLASS AS ALWAYS! Democrats will NEVER raise taxes on lower income people to pay for their free College and the Rich can find ways round the higher taxes.
This is how Democrats spin it to middle class Americans...... they will say they care about the middle class and will help you out with free community College, all while we raise your taxes to do so. How about the middle class that have no kids or they have kids who do not want to go to College? With Democrats it is always TARGETED tax cuts, or subsidies for the certain few who might vote for them.
If they ever taxed ALL Americans who work to pay for these social programs, you would hear a loud voice screaming ...NO FREE COLLEGE!
If they had a decent honest bone in their body they would be finding ways to cut the cost of College rather than CONSTANTLY raising taxes, or making it so easy to take on huge College loan debt, or now trying to give free college which allows Colleges to keep raising tuitions. It's insanity and is done purely for political reasons. Our nation is dieing from corrupt Democrats who refuse to cut spending.
Are the Republicans perfect? No, Bush did not care about cutting spending but he is not the Repubican party. They are the party that at least tries to cut spending, keeps trying to get balanced budget amendments started only to have Democrats tell them it is dead on arrival. The GOP allowed military defense cuts but the Democrats refused to cut any social program spending. The GOP does not try to spend more to buy votes!
It is obvious which party spends and taxes more and to deny so wastes our time. When will the adult intelligent voters start screaming enough is enough? It won't happen from Democrats. They spend all their time worrying about Gay marriage, Global warming, buying votes, going after illegal immigrant votes, taking our guns, etc.
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If they had a decent honest bone in their body they would be finding ways to cut the cost of College rather than CONSTANTLY raising taxes, or making it so easy to take on huge College loan debt, or now trying to give free college which allows Colleges to keep raising tuitions. It's insanity and is done purely for political reasons. Our nation is dieing from corrupt Democrats who refuse to cut spending.
Wouldn't this involve government oversight of colleges? Isn't that something you are against?
Unfortunately, the amount of spending that you are talking about here is minuscule. The Democrats are proposing paying for a few thousand dollars for each person who gets an AA degree. It is a tiny amount compared to the tens of thousands of dollars of standard 4 year universities. It is good that you bring up the spending issues now before they get really out of hand, but you are overreacting quite a bit.
You do understand that they have been using your excuses for decades.... it's just a little bit, it's minuscule, it's only a few thousand per person, etc. etc.
IT ALL ADDS UP TO 18 TRILLION!
What kind of economics class did you take to think spending more money when we are 18 trillion in debt is a good thing?
Is that how you run your budget at home? When the spouse says to you we are $20,000 in debt with credit cards, home equity loans, etc. do you come back with.... ok lets go buy that new car. Is that your logic when it comes to Government spending our money to buy votes?
You do understand that they have been using your excuses for decades
Yes. I said "It is good that you bring up the spending issues now before they get really out of hand"
Is that how you run your budget at home? When the spouse says to you we are $20,000 in debt with credit cards, home equity loans, etc. do you come back with.... ok lets go buy that new car. Is that your logic when it comes to Government spending our money to buy votes?
If my spouse said we are $20,000 in debt and I came back with I would like to buy a piece of candy that would be about 50 times what you are talking about with this free college stuff, not a new car.
So, do you support the government oversight of colleges to reduce the costs?
No, it would require Government to stop making it so easy for students to get in huge debt with student loans which allows tuition's to keep going up.
Are you old enough to remember how fast the prices of cars went up when the wives started working out of the homes? With every increase in the dollars we make, there is an increase in the costs of things we buy. They will charge what the market will bare and when stupid kids and parents take out these huge student loans, the Colleges know they can raise their tuition's because as with credit card debt, etc. people do not care as long as they can make that monthly payment. Well guess what? As always, they can no longer make that payment. So what does the Liberal Democrat party always want to do? BAIL OUT THOSE IDIOTS WHO CHOSE TO TAKE OUT THESE OUTLANDISH LOANS.
I would never have taken on that kind of huge debt for some degree. It's like another home mortgage to pay off. Where are the intelligent parents to tell their teens, NO!!!!!!!
Back when it was not so easy to go into debt, the College costs were no where near as expensive as today. Colleges could only charge what people were willing to pay.
I would never have taken on that kind of huge debt for some degree.
Back when it was not so easy to go into debt, the College costs were no where near as expensive as today.
I just want to point out to you that the second line is the reason for the first.
How do we turn back the clock? Only pointing the finger at Democrats isn't working.
Where are the intelligent parents to tell their teens, NO!!!!!!!
You think it is the intelligent parents who tell their kids not to go to college. Man, you do have things backwards.
Are you old enough to remember how fast the prices of cars went up when the wives started working out of the homes? With every increase in the dollars we make, there is an increase in the costs of things we buy.
Sounds like you are describing inflation.
They will charge what the market will bare and when stupid kids and parents take out these huge student loans, the Colleges know they can raise their tuition's because as with credit card debt, etc. people do not care as long as they can make that monthly payment. Well guess what? As always, they can no longer make that payment. So what does the Liberal Democrat party always want to do? BAIL OUT THOSE IDIOTS WHO CHOSE TO TAKE OUT THESE OUTLANDISH LOANS.
They are really bailing out the loan companies that would go under if everyone failed to pay their bills.
You know, it is people like you that allow one party to destroy a nation. Everyone knows that both parties bare part of the blame. That's not the point, it is the Democrat party that bares the huge brunt of the blame because their ideology is spending money to pander to low income people for their vote. There is no other possible explanation to see leaders of this nation debt spending to the toon of 18 TRILLION and not caring. They do it for the vote and not so called compassion. They make it too easy for our social programs to be used as careers. This is all about the vote as we go bankrupt.
Every single GOP presidential candidate talks about that debt and how we must cut it. Do you hear any Democrats talking about it? STOP with the mindless both sides are at fault because when you say that it gives the Democrats the excuse to keep spending like drunken sailors knowing people like you will still not hold them accountable. When people say both sides are equally responsible for the debt spending you have given them a free lunch to keep it going. We must hold these idiots accountable when they lie to our face and spend our nation into bankruptcy.
Yes I know Bush did little to stop the debt spending and for that reason he was a traitor to the Conservative Republican. He is not the GOP party. He called himself the compassionate Conservative. I call him a traitor to every Conservative who voted for him. He was still much better than Obama but he gave people like you excuses to say both sides are the same.
Yes the GOP supports a strong military but they were willing to make cuts back during the debt ceiling debates. Democrats are like radical pit bulls if anyone even suggests cutting spending on their low income voting blocks.
You know, it is people like you that allow one party to destroy a nation. Everyone knows that both parties bare part of the blame. That's not the point, it is the Democrat party that bares the huge brunt of the blame because their ideology is spending money to pander to low income people for their vote. There is no other possible explanation to see leaders of this nation debt spending to the toon of 18 TRILLION and not caring. They do it for the vote and not so called compassion. They make it too easy for our social programs to be used as careers. This is all about the vote as we go bankrupt.
This has nothing to do with what I wrote. How did you conclude that I am the reason?
Every single GOP presidential candidate talks about that debt and how we must cut it. Do you hear any Democrats talking about it? STOP with the mindless both sides are at fault because when you say that it gives the Democrats the excuse to keep spending like drunken sailors knowing people like you will still not hold them accountable. When people say both sides are equally responsible for the debt spending you have given them a free lunch to keep it going. We must hold these idiots accountable when they lie to our face and spend our nation into bankruptcy.
How do we make college affordable? People are drowning in debt because it is the only way to get a good job. You complaining about spending is completely ignoring this issue.
Yes I know Bush did little to stop the debt spending and for that reason he was a traitor to the Conservative Republican. He is not the GOP party. He called himself the compassionate Conservative. I call him a traitor to every Conservative who voted for him. He was still much better than Obama but he gave people like you excuses to say both sides are the same.
I didn't say both sides were the same. I said that yelling at Democrats doesn't lower college cost.
Yes the GOP supports a strong military but they were willing to make cuts back during the debt ceiling debates. Democrats are like radical pit bulls if anyone even suggests cutting spending on their low income voting blocks.
Dude, what the hell does military spending have to do with what I posted?
You are the reason why one party can destroy the country. You completely ignore what the other side says, make up your own version of what was said, then complain that people don't listen to you.
You said, "Only pointing the finger at Democrats isn't working". Like I said, you excuse these idiots by saying both sides are to blame. Try electing Conservatives who truly want to cut the debt and our nation will finally be on the slow road back to sanity.
A Conservative's answer to high College costs might be to get Government out of it, limit student loans to $20,000, which would keep people with no brains when it comes to debt, from taking out huge loans to go to expensive Colleges. Soon these Colleges would have to reduce their costs or go out of business. Other Colleges with lower tuition's would thrive and once again competition would rule.
You can't read. Saying that what you are doing is not helpful is in no way claiming the Republicans are to blame. You are a terrible representation of every group you claim to be a part of.
Unfortunately, your solution has a lot of "if"s involved. Have we seen this concept work anywhere?
Have we tried it? When people keep repeating the same mistakes that have proven not to work and expect different results....... TRY SOMETHING ELSE!
If they are unwilling to try something else, it proves they have an agenda which could care less what they know does not work.
Conservatives have many answers to these chronic problems.... give them a try ad we will see. Obama has proven once and for all that Liberals HAVE NO CLUE!
You know, you are perplexing to me. One moment you sound like a Liberal and the next you sound more conservative. I never know if you are joking or serious.
Lower military spending. Repeal Obamacare and pass legislation that regulates insurance, healthcare, pharmaceutical, and medical equipment manufacturers. Make it a heavily regulated monopoly. Healthcare system is similar to the power grid or sewage system. Why is it not run like a regulated monopoly? This way everyone is happy. Privatized and universal.
Just lowering spending on these two will mean a significant surplus to slowly pay off the debt. Some may argue that military boondoggles are the only economy in certain areas, but other government boondoggles can replace those. Instead of dumping the money into a Nimitiz carrier, why not use it on infrastructure with some actual roi.
Other nations with fewer resources manage to provide free higher education to their constituents. That our budget is so out of balance due to poorly planned expenditures is far more humiliating and asinine than the suggestion that we provide higher education as a social service, particularly as the latter actually yields a return on investment which is more than can be said for some of our historical cash hogs.
You do realize that every Government program that has claimed will yield a return on investment has proven a failure. That's what they have said with our generous welfare programs. Government said it would be a good thing to give them a helping hand to get started and they will become hard working tax payers that will benefit us all. Total failure! Our welfare roles are getting more bloated and becoming careers for so many. They refuse to get off the dole because they have a better life living off tax payers.
Have you seen what has become of our welfare programs? Free cell phones, people taking their food stamp credit cards and in most states can use them to get money to go to strip clubs, casino's, buy alcohol, cigarettes, lingerie, etc. etc. THIS IS INSANITY! Why do you think Democrats make this so easy? Because it garners their votes and keeps them tied to big Government.
Welfare programs MUST be cut to stop the madness and go back to what they are supposed to be, a safety net, not a career.
WE NEED ACROSS THE BOARD CUTS TO EVERY GOVERNMENT PROGRAM!
The middle class is being killed with high property taxes paying for medicaid, Obamacare and all the social programs in their states.
This is not a discussion about welfare programs and I am not presenting a Democratic/liberal advocacy argument, which renders the the majority of our post entirely non-responsive.
An educated constituency has long been viewed as critical to the success of a democratic-republic, by some of our founding fathers even. It is particularly important in specialized, information technology economies such as ours. That higher education yields returns is not credibly disputable, although one might rightly be critical of how that system is implemented. Obviously, the U.S. is doing a rather meager job at best on this issue as well as many others in regards to expenditure. I would not disagree that we need to scale back our expenditures, but we will nevertheless have some expenditures and it makes sense to allocate that expenditure where it will create the greatest benefit to our nation.
I agree College is important but again I say.... 18 TRILLION IN DEBT!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you hear Democrats proposing to cut any social programs to pay for free College? NO! They refuse to cut any social program. To them pandering to their low income voting block superceeds all else. Their answer is ALWAYS TAXING MORE which takes money out from our economy and hurts job creation. Why do you think this recovery has been the worst in history? It is because of the most Liberal President in our history making enemies of the job creators, taxing them more and refusing to lower corporate taxes.
If any of these politicians would ever agree to cut every dollar from some other programs to pay for the new ones, I might listen. THEY NEVER DO!
We need to cut spending to bring this debt down, not promise more giveaway programs.
In other words... you have no counter argument specific to the points I raised regarding the critical importance of higher education to our economy, social order, and government.
I have given you the ONLY ANSWER.... cut spending across the board before our economy collapses and there will be no people going to College because there will be no jobs to pay for those Colleges and no Government money to give out to buy votes!
How absurdly facile and utterly alarmist. A balanced and productive economy has never been accomplished by categorical cuts to every government program. We need basic infrastructure at the very least, and we have hardly reached a point wherein we cannot provide that funding.
No, but I also never suggested that you had. My statements were strictly concerning your suggestion that we cut spending for every program, and given your failure to refute my actual point it stand until such time as you do.
Your kind of thinking is why our nation is going bankrupt. Why do people on the Left refuse to admit the obvious and refuse to cut all programs.
What private business does not constantly find ways to cut their expenses and do more with less? Why is it in a Liberal's mind, Government programs have no room for cuts and cost cutting measures?
There can only be one reason. Government is corrupt and unlike private business need not balance it's budget. They will just raise our taxes, our fees, etc. etc. and like irresponsible children keep running up that debt, all to buy votes.
It is sad there are so many indoctrinated people such as yourself who swallow all their lies, all their rhetoric to deny simple common sense reality.
Government is the most irresponsible corrupt power hungry orgqnization since the beginning of time. This is why American's fought to give power to the people, and restore our freedoms from that political corruption.
Liberals are taking us all back to a time of big government corruption. WAKE UP!
You err once more in your assumption that I am a left leaning liberal. I am not.
I am unfamiliar with any successful private enterprise which categorically cuts expenses across all of its departments, branches, etc. at the same time. That is effectively what you are proposing, and it is as impractical in the private sector as it is in the public which is why no one does it.
I generally oppose expansive federal powers and would prefer more powers be returned to the states, as well as more responsibilities. I suspect this nuance may be beyond you, however, and that you will somehow confuse my anti-federalism with liberal expansionism.
What you say would have some merit if we had not witnessed the past 50 years when these corrupt politicians have been repeating the same lies every election. I don't know how old you are but I have lived their constant lies. They keep telling us they will cut spending "when" this happens, or "when" that happens and guess what? IT NEVER HAPPENS! They are liars and would sell their mother's soul to get elected.They don't care for the good of our nation but the good of their political careers and their ideology.
What's so amazing is there are so many people like you who swallow it. They are corrupt and they MUST be forced to balance their budgets because they never will on their own.
Government is not like a business because they need not balance their budget. They just raise taxes or fees.
The people must force them to pass balanced budget amendments, and then they will have an excuse to why they cut social programs, military budgets, entitlements, etc.
They won't have to worry about being blamed by their lobbyists when it is forced by law. It's the only way we will ever cut our national debt.
Politicians will only cut their pet programs when everyone else is forced to do the same. Please wake up and see who they politicians are. They no longer care for America so they must be forced to do what is best for our nation.
My ant-federalism stems directly from my distrust of our political system and the individuals who directly comprise it. At not point have I indicated otherwise, despite your tired assertions to the contrary.
Reiterating that governments are not like businesses because they do not have to balance their budget is not actually a refutation of my counterpoint in any sense. Your continued reliance upon generalizations that ignore the nuance of successful versus unsuccessful businesses and governments is as tired as your false categorization of my views.
The notion that we can only achieve a balanced budget by categorical cuts is still illogical, even with your new rationale. If lobby and other vested interests oppose cuts directed at their interests, then they would oppose a categorical cut law just as strongly but while also being unified. Your proposal would bring together the vested interests that are wresting power away from the people in a way they never have been brought together before, and it would fail because of that.
Even if your plan did work, the budget might be balanced in the sense that expenditures do not exceed revenue but the repercussions of that budget would so seriously undermine the balance of our legal, social, and other infrastructure as to render it a worse alternative.
Decentralizing economic power from the federal government to the individual states restores a balance of the power to the people. This serves to reinvest people in their government and to diminish the influence of large multinationals and other interests that can operate more easily within the removed sphere of federal governance.
You should be a politician if you are not already one. With all those words words you do the very things they do, EXCUSE THEIR DEBT SPENDING! And as you do, they tell us it would be terrible for our nation to have balance budget amendments, or to cut our programs ACROSS the board. WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD SAY? They constantly lie to the little sheep to control our lives.
Of course they will dassle you with all the supposed bad things that would happen if we had to actually cut our wasteful spending on every program.
Tell me, does it hurt your home and life when you balance your budget? Or does it finally get you to a point where you actully save money to spend on things you need without going into debt. Does it actually create investment money for you to get ahead instead of taking your money to make the interest payments on your debt?
Imagine if Government had money to invest and grow to HELP the needy and grow our nation WITHOUT going further into debt. Imagine what they could do with those hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars they are spending on the interest payments on that 18 TRILLION debt. CAN YOU GRASP THAT SIMPLE FACT?
Would there be some pain in the beginning when they tighten their belts? Yes, just as you would have when you tightened your belt. Fewer dinners out, fewer vacations, used cars, etc. etc. That's the price of getting yourself in debt in the first place and MUST be done if you ever hope to have a good life with money to spend and enjoy.
Your excuses are the same as the lies from every big spending politician in Government. They are on both sides of the aisle but much worse on the Democrat side.
A balanced budget amendment woud be the ONLY thing that would help get special interests out of our politician's pockets. They will always be there but at least our debt would go down before these greedy special interests got their take.
I have considered becoming a politician but my chances at election at present are negligible on account of my being transgender and an atheist. Give it a decade or two though, and maybe we will see.
Not once have I excused the lack of a balanced budget; I assure you I find it just as problematic as you do. The fundamental distinction I draw is that there is more than one way to balance a budget. Your suggestion is that every expenditure be cut, though you have had no rebuttal to my point that successful businesses and governments do not engage in that practice. My suggestion is that we balance the budget by slashing non-necessities while still funding the necessities, to which your sole response has been the false assertion that I oppose a balanced budget.
To use your household analogy: My approach would also include fewer dinners out, fewer vacations, used cars, etc. but would still included expenditures on basic needs such as minimally necessary food and shelter. Your approach would cut expenditures on those basic necessities as well.
The notion that any balanced budget would remove the special interests from government is backwards, because it presumes that those special interests would permit that balanced budget to pass in the first place which is entirely illogical. We will accomplish a balanced budget only after those special interests have been mitigated by a return of power to the people.
Must be those special interests lie mainly in the Democrat party because it is only the GOP that try to get the balanced budget amendment talks started only to have Democrats say it is dead on arrival.
I never said to cut the basic needs for survival such as food and shelter. This is the laughable argument always made by the Left whenever a Conservative talks about cutting spending.
You do realize they are giving out FREE Cell phones to people on Welfare do you not? People living off welfare have better healthcare with medicaid than the middle class who must pay for it. People on welfare should only be covered for catastrophic or life threatening illness, not every sniffle or sore throat, etc. Democrats refuse to cut things of this nature and you talk about the basics? Get real! There are so many things that could be cut from Social programs WITHOUT cutting the basic needs of people. The reasons Democrats refuse to cut is because these low income people are their voting block.
Businesses do indeed constantly cut wasteful programs that do not produce profits, etc. They don't continue to put bandaids on the problem as does Government when it comes to unaffordable social programs to keep them solvent. Government never needs to fix the problem because they have people like you who say it is ok to keep raising taxes and fees to continue these programs as they are.
You are a positively brainwashed partisan. Both major political parties oppose any significant piece of policy legislation proposed by the other party. Neither can afford to let the other party actually function to the benefit of the country because it makes them look bad.
If you cut every single program as you propose you will be cutting back basic needs. It actually is that simple. Probably the most apparent set of programs that are already chronically and severely underfunded are infrastructure related - roads and bridges, sewage, water, electric, etc. - which are literally collapsing already.
I have my own issues with welfare, but your attack at preventative care is positively backwards. Substantial research has demonstrated quite clearly that financing preventative care (the sniffles and sore throats) is actually cheaper in the long run; but if you want to increase costs then by all means slash away.
I never once said that businesses do not cut wasteful programs. What I did say is that they never cut every single program at once, which is your suggestion for resolving the government budget.
I also never once said that we must keep raising taxes and fees to balance the budget, and I have explicitly stated that welfare programs should not be maintained as is.
At this point I am just repeating the same nuance that you are either incapable of understanding or unwilling to acknowledge. I oppose current expenditures and support more restrictive expenditure, but I do not endorse your categorical cuts proposal because it is simply impractical for reasons already elucidated upon at length and not directly repudiated by yourself. I am done engaging on this thread with you.
Like I said, people such as yourself are the problem and will allow politicians to keep spending our money to get elected. After watching the lies from Politicians for 45 years, I KNOW they will never cut spending and our enormous debt until they are FORCED to do so. People like yourself are simply bleeding heart indoctrinated sheep allowing the liars to spend us into bankrupcy for their personal political gains. STOP THE MADNESS! Without a balanced budget amendment they will never cut their own throats and do what's good for the nation because voters such as yourself will probably not vote for them as soon as they start cutting.
Politicians know the people all too well and we have far too many moochers living off the tax payers that will only elect the corrupt politicians who will gladly spend us into oblivion to get elected.
Maybe because funding college tuitions is an investment in the future. Sending young Americans to school will increase the strength of our work force in the long run. It will help in so many facets of society and strengthen the middle class while helping to pull individuals out of the lower class.
And yes, we have huge debt, but guess what! We spend way too much on our military. I support our troops so much, but where the hell is all that money going? In 2015, we spent $610 billion, which is more than the next 8 countries, combined. And yet, republicans like Marco Rubio are advocating for increased military spending, which in my opinion is throwing money away. There is no return on your investment if you spend it on unnecessary military expenditures, but there is potential for huge return if you send people to school.
I would love it just once if Democrats would EVER pay as much attention to all the waste and fraud in our social programs as they do with the military. It is ALWAYS all about politics with Democrats. They never compromise and cut spending across the board. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO they only want to cut military which we are seeing is very much needed with terrorists trying to get a nuclear bomb.
Liberals have taken over the Democrat party and it is bankrupting this nation.
So you think the left are the biggest offenders of raising the debt? Then explain to me Ronald Reagan and how his increase in debt compares to Democratic presidents. Keep in mind Reagan was a hardcore, right-wing Republican.
Don't wait, Obama the most Libral president of all time have double the debt of ALL Presidents in 6 years! The GOP is the party that forced Bill Clinton to pass workfare which made people on welfare to find a job after 5 years. Reagan helped end the cold war that allowed our nation to close many military bases and saved our nation many many billions.
That's not even true. In 6 years, he's increased debt by a little over $6 trillion for an increase of 53% since he took office. Bush, on the other hand, increased the debt by almost the same amount, which was overall a 101% increase. And Ronald Reagan increased it in his term by a whopping 186%.
I'm not saying Obama hasn't done anything to the debt, but how dare you sit here and criticize him and the democrats for something republicans are even worse at.
Don't act like you give a flying fuck about the debt lol, you guys are so funny. All you really care about is personal greed and forcing your ideology on those that disagree, I see though your bull shit, if you really cared about the debt, where was the conservative voice when Bush started all them Wars, and how about tax breaks to the 1% and over 50% of the nations budget on military spending, you are just mad that Christ is not law, non whites now have a bit of power in the country and your wives now make more money then you.
You can lie to me and everyone else all you want but you can't lie to yourself, I and many see thought all your bull shit.
You see through nothing. You are the problem in this nation. You judge every conservative who wants to cut our spending and keep our freedoms. Keep bringing up Bush like some kind of nut case! He was never a conservative but rather a big spending democrat. Those wars were voted on by Democrats also but keep spewing pure garbage rhetoric.
We don't want Christ as law, we want to stop you idiots from forcing your political correct humanist man made God down our throats.
Do you know what will help reduce our debt? Strengthening the middle class, and raising taxes. This can be done by taxing the rich more, and the poor less, but overall raising taxes on all. You in favor of that?
I'm in favor of cutting spending ACROSS THE BOARD.....no Government program excluded. I would like to see the IRS torn apart with a complete overhaul of our complicated, loop hole income tax system where the biggest liars and cheats can claim many deductions to reduce their taxes while the honest people pay more taxes. I would like a flat tax, or sales tax, or anything but what we have. Our complicated tax code benefits those with the best tax accountants. I would like our taxes based purely on our income with no itemizing, etc. What was on the W2 form would be all that was needed for our tax returns. NO MORE IRS NEEDED!
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We are taxed enough. Revenue is not the problem because as I said, no matter how much revenue our Government receives, they will spend even more. It's what gets them elected.
I've been watching them raise taxes all my life and that debt just keeps going up and up. Why would you reward politicians who have wasted every dollar ever taken from our paychecks, by letting them take more. If they had been responsible with our money, people would not be so outraged when they raise taxes. They should be cutting spending on every bloated Government programs that have grown and grown over decades.
If there is a tax increase, it should be a % of every worker so all Americans have some sweat in the game. I know of a man who made $18,000 in a year and he got $14,000 back in income taxes. Can you believe that? That is a result of politicians who created all these low income earned income credits, etc. etc. for people with kids who never even paid taxes. Pure give away programs while the middle class is taxed to death.
We must stop penalizing the hard workers and rewarding laziness.
The Rich are taxed enough and pay the vast majority of our taxes. What needs to change is overhauling our tax code, getting rid of loop holes that allow people to get out of paying taxes, and laws that make sure all tax payers pay some taxes.
The Rich are taxed enough and pay the vast majority of our taxes. What needs to change is overhauling our tax code, getting rid of loop holes that allow people to get out of paying taxes, and laws that make sure all tax payers pay some taxes.
What about the concept of strengthening the middle class? Raising taxes will not pay off the debt, but raising taxes may help alleviate the income inequality. When taxes were higher the rich didn't have such elevated pay and distributed more money to the middle class. It sounded like he was discussing that concept.
You are falling into the same argument that has never worked. What happens when Democrats put more taxes or regulations or forced Obamacare on business? They pass the cost on to the people, the employees, etc. They cut hours, they cut other benefits. Democrats know this they just don't care. It makes nice sound bites when they talk about the huge income disparity and they then say vote for me and we will tax them more. Every election Democrats play class warfare and live and breathe on how they will tax the Rich and how the GOP loves the Rich and how they will help the middle class. IT IS A COMPLETE LIE! How has the income disparity done with Obama as President? It's gotten worse!
What America needs is less corporate taxes, less regulation so that manufacturing jobs will return to America. The competition among manufacturing companies will raise incomes to the middle class and the tax revenue will help cut the debt IF the Government EVER took that money to cut the debt rather then spend it on more programs to garner the vote.
The answer? Vote for CONSERVATIVES! Not RHINO's or Democrats but true Conservatives who will do what they say.
You are falling into the same argument that has never worked.
It was working just fine before Reagan took office and cut it dramatically.
What America needs is less corporate taxes, less regulation so that manufacturing jobs will return to America.
Agreed, doing business should not be taxed, but the money an individual makes off their business can be. If you make it so that no matter where they do business they will pay the same amount in tax then it works. We definitely need to reduce corporate taxes.
The competition among manufacturing companies will raise incomes to the middle class
That's ridiculous. The competition between manufacturing companies will lower revenue for those companies so they can provide a cheaper product to whoever uses it. Less revenue = less pay for workers.
The answer? Vote for CONSERVATIVES! Not RHINO's or Democrats but true Conservatives who will do what they say.
"True conservatives" say they will ban abortion, end gay marriage, and bring back prayer in school. They don't care about the economy either.
Those three things you mentioned would do no harm to this nation's economy. So you are ok with late term abortions on demand because that is what you get with Democrats. You are ok with the censoring of our freedoms for a community to choose a prayer, and one judge forcing entire states to change their marriage laws against the will of the majority who do not want to do so.
THIS IS WHY WE NEED CONSERVATIVES ONCE AGAIN! To stop brainwashed people such as yourself who fear Conservatives. Conservatives have always supported life of mother abortions and other extreme cases. Why do you have such lack of caring for the right of life to innocent Babies? You think Gays should have the right to marry but the right of life you spit on. AS I SAID WE NEED CONSERVATIVES ONCE AGAIN! I know of no Conservative candidates in the GOP who are advocating stopping 1st trimester abortions. They realize the majority of Americans have become indoctrinated to a self love culture and would never go for eliminating all abortions.
When I said competition between manufacturing companies, I was speaking to the competition for good well trained workers in the work force. THIS is what requires companies to pay more. You need to brush up on what makes wages go up. It happens when there is a shortage of workers for the jobs needed. They pay more to encourage workers to come to their company.
Conservatives care very much for the economy because they are the middle class who need jobs.
Those three things you mentioned would do no harm to this nation's economy.
Those 3 things would not affect the economy and that is all they say they will do.
So you are ok with late term abortions on demand because that is what you get with Democrats.
Let's talk about the economy ... get rid of late term abortions.
You are ok with the censoring of our freedoms for a community to choose a prayer
Freedom and choosing something the entire community has to follow is contradictory.
and one judge forcing entire states to change their marriage laws against the will of the majority who do not want to do so.
Soon to be 50 judges actually.
THIS IS WHY WE NEED CONSERVATIVES ONCE AGAIN!
Thank you for proving my point. First post is you claiming that conservatives are needed to fix the economy. Your response is that conservatives are needed to fix social issues. You are a liar.
To stop brainwashed people such as yourself who fear Conservatives.
I fear religious people, not conservatives.
You think Gays should have the right to marry but the right of life you spit on.
No, my stance is that everything you say about abortions is the same exact thing that liberals say about guns. As someone who is intelligent and believes in gun freedoms I can't agree with your position on abortions.
When I said competition between manufacturing companies, I was speaking to the competition for good well trained workers in the work force.
That doesn't happen. It is all about how much you pay the person.
Conservatives care very much for the economy because they are the middle class who need jobs.
They care about the economy, but devote 66% of their time to the 3 issues I mentioned.
Conservatives spend much time on those three issues because Liberals spend so much time on them. When Roe v wade was passed Democrats said they would only allow 1st trimester abortions. Look at what is happening today. Late term abortions on demand. The Left spending every second of time pushing the Gay agendas and now forcing our states to allow Gay marriage. Our most basic right of religious expression censored! THE COMMUNITY CHOSE TO HAVE A PRAYER. TOO BAD IF YOU DON'T AGREE, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN THE MINORITY IN THE VOTE! We are now living with Gay marriage forced on our states because of ONE JUDGE AND YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT A PRAYER VOTED ON BY AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY? This is why Conservatives spend so much time on these issues.
I realize people like yourself hate talking about abortion because it shows so clearly how mankind has lost it's humanity when it separates God from our public.
To compare the life of a Baby to guns makes you someone flirting with an ignore. Conservatives have humanity and understand the difference.
To fear Christians means you have been indoctrinated by the Left. Their judgmental lies are working on the sheep. Their liberal media that constantly ridicules Christians has brainwashed you. Tell me the last law forced on anyone by Christians.
Conservatives are needed to restore the greatness America once was.
Conservatives spend much time on those three issues because Liberals spend so much time on them.
I fail to see how doing something Democrats do makes you better.
The Left spending every second of time pushing the Gay agendas and now forcing our states to allow Gay marriage.
This falls under the category of good things.
Our most basic right of religious expression censored!
Liar! Your most basic right of religious expression is what you do in your own home. Anything more is beyond basic.
We are now living with Gay marriage forced on our states because of ONE JUDGE
Liar. It is more than one judge.
YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT A PRAYER VOTED ON BY AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY
I am still trying to figure out how locking someone into a community prayer is not contradictory to freedom. Gay marriage is not contradictory to freedom, because it is giving freedom.
I realize people like yourself hate talking about abortion because it shows so clearly how mankind has lost it's humanity when it separates God from our public.
Yes, real conservatives want to talk about fixing the 18 trillion in debt and not waste time on abortion.
To compare the life of a Baby to guns makes you someone flirting with an ignore. Conservatives have humanity and understand the difference.
This is by far the dumbest fucking thing you have ever said. It is really hard for me to say that because you have said some really dumb things. People use guns to kill people. The fact that you can't compare abortions that are used to kill people to guns that are used to kill people is incredibly dumb. It may be the easiest comparison to make. You want a law that will make it illegal for women to get abortions. Democrats want a law that will make it illegal to get guns. It is so simple a caveman could do it.
To fear Christians means you have been indoctrinated by the Left.
Actually, quite the opposite. I have been indoctrinated by the religious.
Tell me the last law forced on anyone by Christians.
Gay marriage.
Conservatives are needed to restore the greatness America once was.
I think the 66% number was too low now. You do realize that we are debating the economy, right?
FOOL............................................. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LAW ABIDING CITIZEN'S RIGHTS TO HAVE GUNS. DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO TAKE THOSE RIGHTS FROM US!
To say something that ludicrous puts you over the top.
I can not believe there are people out there who are so guible to believe one word out of a Politician's mouth, ESPECIALLY Democrats.
If you like your helthcare you can keep it.
Your premiums will go down.
If you like your Doctor you can keep him.
Roe v wade will only allow 1st. trimester Abortions.
We will never force tax pyers to pay for abortions.
Gays will not try to force Christian Churches to have Gay Sundy school teachers.
Gays only want civil unions.
Democrats only want to take assault rifles (New York passed the safe act which outlawed any hunting rifle holding more than 7 rounds)
Are you that gullible? I don't believe one word out of their lying mouths. This is why the NRA fights them at every step. Just like in England after 100 years of new gun laws, THEY TOOK THEIR GUNS! There are Democrat Senators who admit their goal is to ban all guns. Wake up!
This is why I get so angry debating Liberals. Either you are the most dumb people on this planet or you are the most devious liars.
Roe v wade will only allow 1st. trimester Abortions.
That's a misread of the Roe decision.
The breakdown was thus:
(a) For the stage prior to approximately the end of the first trimester, the abortion decision and its effectuation must be left to the medical judgment of the pregnant woman's attending physician.
(b) For the stage subsequent to approximately the end of the first trimester, the State, in promoting its interest in the health of the mother, may, if it chooses, regulate the abortion procedure in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health.
(c) For the stage subsequent to viability the State, in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life, may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.
We will never force tax pyers to pay for abortions.
Federal tax dollars are legally barred from paying for abortions except for the life of the mother and rape and incest.
You have said you are ok with abortion to protect the life of the mother, but your opinion is less clear on rape and incest.
You seem seem to argue for that exception here and against that exception here (and I'll note that you have thusfar failed to follow up on my post there.)
Gays will not try to force Christian Churches to have Gay Sundy school teachers.
Language matters. Gays will not be able to legally require anything of the sort for churches. Churches have their bigotry protected by the Constitution. Some gays might try to persuade Churches to allow them a greater role. Some may even want a law requiring access, but it will not happen.
Gays only want civil unions.
Again, language matters. If anyone ever said that (and I'm pretty sure basically no one did), they had no idea what they were talking about.
Some might have thought that civil unions would have been an acceptable compromise - either for long term or just the short term, but what gays "want" is equal treatment by their government.
Democrats only want to take assault rifles (New York passed the safe act which outlawed any hunting rifle holding more than 7 rounds)
Um, have you ever gone hunting? Do you get to take 7 shots at a deer? I think the debate about magazine size and concealability is the right place for the debate - some people think there should be a few more some a few less, but the difference has been greatly exaggerated. Meanwhile some things that have broad-spectrum consensus - like doing a background check so you can tell if you are selling to someone who has a history of violent crime, or just broke out of prison, etc. yet are not law because of the strength of the same lobby that exaggerates the other differences.
THEY TOOK THEIR GUNS!
When you see that bill, let me know and I'll help you fight it - until then, just slippery slope fallacy.
This is why I get so angry debating Liberals.
Then maybe you should just try discussing issues with people who may not agree with you.
If you like your helthcare you can keep it. and If you like your Doctor you can keep him.I addressed that here
The grandfathering was a shame. It required that you not alter your policy, while the ACA required that all policies that did not cover new minimum must be altered. Effectively millions of policies were canceled. This was no mistake on the part of the authors of the ACA. But if you believe it was an unintended consequence, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that's for sale --- cheap!
This is why I WILL just ignore you. Evrything you just said proves all my points but in your world of denial think you have refuted what I said.
By the way thanks for showing your true colors towards people of faith. You call them bigots if their faith does not agree with some weird sexual orienttion.Talk about intolernce towards diverse opinions.
Your kind of thinking is why our nation is going bankrupt. Why do people on the Left refuse to admit the obvious and refuse to cut all programs.
What private business does not constantly find ways to cut their expenses and do more with less? Why is it in a Liberal's mind, Government programs have no room for cuts and cost cutting measures?
There can only be one reason. Government is corrupt and unlike private business need not balance it's budget. They will just raise our taxes, our fees, etc. etc. and like irresponsible children keep running up that debt, all to buy votes.
It is sad there are so many indoctrinated people such as yourself who swallow all their lies, all their rhetoric to deny simple common sense reality.
Government is the most irresponsible corrupt power hungry orgqnization since the beginning of time. This is why American's fought to give power to the people, and restore our freedoms from that political corruption.
Liberals are taking us all back to a time of big government corruption. WAKE UP!
What you say would have some merit if we had not witnessed the past 50 years when these corrupt politicians have been repeating the same lies every election. I don't know how old you are but I have lived their constant lies. They keep telling us they will cut spending "when" this happens, or "when" that happens and guess what? IT NEVER HAPPENS! They are liars and would sell their mother's soul to get elected.They don't care for the good of our nation but the good of their political careers and their ideology.
What's so amazing is there are so many people like you who swallow it. They are corrupt and they MUST be forced to balance their budgets because they never will on their own.
Government is not like a business because they need not balance their budget. They just raise taxes or fees.
The people must force them to pass balanced budget amendments, and then they will have an excuse to why they cut social programs, military budgets, entitlements, etc.
They won't have to worry about being blamed by their lobbyists when it is forced by law. It's the only way we will ever cut our national debt.
Politicians will only cut their pet programs when everyone else is forced to do the same. Please wake up and see who they politicians are. They no longer care for America so they must be forced to do what is best for our nation.
It's sad when people like yourself are so blind to the harm Liberalism is doing to this nation. The only thing I can figure is that Liberals are so clinically insecure, they must punish responsibility while rewarding irresponsibility. In this way they can feel good about themselves no matter how much they screw up their lives.
You should be a politician if you are not already one. With all those words words you do the very things they do, EXCUSE THEIR DEBT SPENDING! And as you do, they tell us it would be terrible for our nation to have balance budget amendments, or to cut our programs ACROSS the board. WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD SAY? They constantly lie to the little sheep to control our lives.
Of course they will dassle you with all the supposed bad things that would happen if we had to actually cut our wasteful spending on every program.
Tell me, does it hurt your home and life when you balance your budget? Or does it finally get you to a point where you actully save money to spend on things you need without going into debt. Does it actually create investment money for you to get ahead instead of taking your money to make the interest payments on your debt?
Imagine if Government had money to invest and grow to HELP the needy and grow our nation WITHOUT going further into debt. Imagine what they could do with those hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars they are spending on the interest payments on that 18 TRILLION debt. CAN YOU GRASP THAT SIMPLE FACT?
Would there be some pain in the beginning when they tighten their belts? Yes, just as you would have when you tightened your belt. Fewer dinners out, fewer vacations, used cars, etc. etc. That's the price of getting yourself in debt in the first place and MUST be done if you ever hope to have a good life with money to spend and enjoy.
Your excuses are the same as the lies from every big spending politician in Government. They are on both sides of the aisle but much worse on the Democrat side.
A balanced budget amendment woud be the ONLY thing that would help get special interests out of our politician's pockets. They will always be there but at least our debt would go down before these greedy special interests got their take.
