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Absolutely true. Just look to the left and see how they demonize successful people. Bernie Sanders keeps demonizing the billionaire class and how they are holding everyone back. His minions eat it up.
Nope. I just don't care for how the left treats and uses them; they should be ashamed of themselves for exploiting them like they do. Free this, free that; just vote for me and get stuff for free. That's what the left does to get their support.
Re: "Why do you struggle so hard to understand that they might possibly advocate policies that they agree with?"
I don't have any problem understanding "free;, this is what the minions they pander to agree with. Look at Old Bernie, he's promising free this, free that and billionaires are evil. It works like a charm.
When someone says that the rich aren't paying enough you think they are claiming the rich ruined everything. When you say the poor aren't paying enough, it's only encouragement.
Don't forget, if you ask the rich to pay their fair share, you are demonizing them, and if you tell poor people to get off their lazy asses so they can pay their fair share it isn't demonizing them.
The rich pay more than their fair share; how do you think the country pays its bills? There is a financial triad: Rich paying taxes, borrowing and printing.
Fair share is subjective. They don't lay as large of a percentage of their earnings, so I disagree that they pay their fair share. You point to them paying a larger sum, so you say they do pay their fair share.
Without addressing the philosophical foundation for progressive taxation, this line of conversation is pointless.
They pay a much higher share of their earnings since we have a progressive tax scale. We should have a flat tax which is imminently fair, since fair is the buzzword liberals love to use.
This dynamic is often seen in politics...when the lazy and stupid with the entitlement menality----like those who elected Obama and now like Sanders--vote for socialists.
Ever notice how rich and successful guys never vote for socialists?
All it is is a political game to get stupid voters to vote for them. Democrat politicians are the richist of people and have been shown to take every tax loophole they have created to stay rich.
The hypocritical fools on the Left keep bringing up the Koch brother's wealth and influence while ignoring George Soros billions to help Liberal democrats and their agendas.
If the Left and Democrats truly wanted to tax the Rich even more to supposedly shrink income disparity, they woild have done so in the first two years of Obama's term when they had control of Congress and the Presidency. WHAT DID THEY DO?
They pushed Obamacare which the vast majority of Americans and all of the GOP DID NOT WANT!
They are phonies who only use the income disparity to get votes each election. They are truly corrupt.
By the way, taxing rich people more does not increase other's income. It puts more money in the hands of these corrupt politicians who use it to buy votes. It would not change your wages one bit.
By the way, taxing rich people more does not increase other's income. It puts more money in the hands of these corrupt politicians who use it to buy votes. It would not change your wages one bit.
If that is true, why did the rich people decide to pay people more money decades ago instead of taking a bigger salary and paying taxes?
Why do I waste my time? Always pure deception or just plain ignorance of the topic.
Rich people can decide to pay people more if they want to. It's their business.
I said that Democrat POLITICIANS who want to take more of the business man's money, do not increase the worker's wages. They keep it to grow Government even more and to buy votes.
It is pure deception to bring up facts? Do you know what the word deception means?
Rich people decided it was their business to raise workers wages 40 years ago when the tax rate was higher. If given the choice, well rich people give money to the workers or the government? Why would raising taxes not force that choice like it did 40 years ago?
I know, it's wonderful that my posts have such a following from people such as yourself. Can you imagine people so fixated on my every word that they search out my posts so they can insult it and down vote it.
Liberals truly hate any diverse(conservative) thought reaching the masses without first attacking and insulting those thoughts. They truly fear conservative opinions and are very intolerant.
Do you spend your time chasing the many childish trols on this site so you can down vote every post they write? Why not?
Can you even grasp why I get down voted when these same people who down vote me refuse to chase the childish trols around to down vote them?
You are getting a first hand lesson on Liberals and what they do to Conservatives.
I would much rather have a debate with people who do not deceive, and can be honest about issues. I could care less about attention. The only reason I'm on any debate site is trying to get this PC nation to wake up and see who and what Progressives are and see how much damage they are doing while trying to transform our culture.
Maybe you missed it, there is no debating with Liberals. They are like brainwashed zombies refusing to admit their inhumanity while judging and demonizing all those opposing their agendas.
I could actually debate a Liberal if he would ever admit what a phoney he is when supporting abortions. Until that happens, he is a waste of time.
Well they never admit their inhumanity. A very very few admit they support no limit abortions but NEVER admit what an inhuman position that is.
Imagine debating a Hilter, and you explain very clearly his inhumanity when he supports killing Jews. What do you do when he says it is not inhumanity in his opinion? How do you debate that kind of denial?
Well they never admit their inhumanity. A very very few admit they support no limit abortions but NEVER admit what an inhuman position that is.
Why don't they admit to their inhumanity? You have been told why. It is a valid reason. If you can't state the counter argument that has been presented to you many times, then you are the deceptive person.
Imagine debating a Hilter, and you explain very clearly his inhumanity when he supports killing Jews.
Your explanation is actually really bad. The real analogy is debating Stalin that he very clearly supports inhumanity by being allies with Hitler.
What do you do when he says it is not inhumanity in his opinion?
Take what he says and prove that he is full of crap.
How do you debate that kind of denial?
Use his own lies against him.
Give me some tips :)
You can't just keep repeating your own reasoning. You need to show how your reasoning is better. You need to demonstrate how the reasoning of your opponent is bad. You cannot do that unless you actually listen to your opposition.
I have listened to pro choice people for decades. They all speak in unison because there is no real excuse that could ever excuse the atrocity of abortion.
It's a broken reocrd..... They always speak to sides issues that have nothing to do with supporting all abortions at any stage with their vote.
They waste our time talking about life of mother abortions, rape abortions, 1st trimester abortions, but NEVER address the no limit abortions I keep talking about.
They have no reasoning to debate! They refuse to speak to no limit abortions allowed in nine states. They pretend it is not legal or no democrats support these things, blah blah lie lie, constantly decieve so you see, there can be no debate when they refuse to address the entire argument I make.
Hence i will continue to keep bringing up abortion every single time people on the Left dare to speak of compassion against torture, or compassion for the poor and try to ridicule and judge Republicans of not caring for the poor, etc, etc.
HYPOCRITES! The GOP is a thousand time more compassionate then any Democrat who supports these late term abortions.
They all speak in unison because there is no real excuse that could ever excuse the atrocity of abortion.
So, you admit that you haven't listened at all. Good. Why should we listen to you?
It's a broken reocrd
That's because you never once addressed what they say.
They always speak to sides issues that have nothing to do with supporting all abortions at any stage with their vote.
Supporting all abortions at any stage with your vote is not the issue.
They waste our time talking about life of mother abortions, rape abortions, 1st trimester abortions, but NEVER address the no limit abortions I keep talking about.
The funny thing is, you just wasted my time bringing up those abortions. Weird.
They have no reasoning to debate!
Still waiting for you to explain what the fake reasoning they give you.
Did you think you actually responded to my argument?
Yes, you told me to explain how their reasoning is wrong.
I told you they refuse to even talk about no limit abortions, so there is no reasoning to debate and rebutt.
How can I debate the issue when they refuse to speak to it. THEY DENY WHAT THEY SUPPORT. I have explained a thousands times how electing someone who supports infnticide, , is supporting infanticide.
This is when I ban because I refuse to waste my time with people who deny the obvious. They have nothing else because to admit what they support would be surrendering to my argument of how Liberals have no true compassion. They will never admit it or surrender the argument. Liberals have no integrity when it comes to so many issues. If it is bad for them, they deny it. If it is good for them they constantly push it.
You say you "could care less about attention." But then you go on and say that the only reason you're hear is because you want people to listen to and be convinced of your ideology. So, yes, you do want attention.
Important side note: I think I've told you this before. But saying you "could care less" implies that you do care. The expression you're looking for is "couldn't care less." You're saying the opposite of what you want. You say this all the freaking time.
First off I know full well I should be saying couldn't care less which I try to remember to do. GET OVER IT!
The day I bring up some mispelling from you is the day I become a narcissistic loser trying to make myself look superior by pointing out your spelling mistakes.
I've never used those words in my life. I have said many times the only reason I'm on this site is not to garner points, or make myself look the great debator.
I'm here to save the lives of our Babies.
I'm here to show the hypocrisy of so called compassionate Democrats and those on the Left.
I'm here to show the Left's fanatical controllong nature and their passion to transform this nation into one of socialism and big government control. I'm here to show the Left's passions to rid our nation of any mention of our Christin heritage.
My opinions do not come from MY ideology. They come from our traditional America, from our constitution, from the moral values of the past whereby Americans had pride, and a hard work ethic to never expect handouts from others if they could help themselves. My opinions come from our Christian heritage that the Left is trying so hard to deny and censor.
Now please do what the Left always does. Please tell us all how America also used to allow slavery which in their bigoted minds denies all the wonderful values of America. The Left uses past slavery (supported by the Democrat party during the civi war) as their excuse to claim that traditional America was racist and not deserving of praise.
Dude. Lighten up. The grammar thing was a joke. I could care less about it.
And if you truly wish to convince people their ideas are wrong, your methods really need some work. Constant insults, arrogance, expletives, and refusal to have conversations does nothing but convince others that you are not to be taken seriously.
And truly, if you want to accomplish those goals... don't ban people. If you're right, you should be able to show it. Even if someone is deceptive, or lying, well... then you would be able to explain why pretty simply, and an outside viewer would see your position as stronger. What are you afraid of?
My opinions do not come from MY ideology. They come from our traditional America, from our constitution, from the moral values of the past whereby Americans had pride, and a hard work ethic to never expect handouts from others if they could help themselves. My opinions come from our Christian heritage that the Left is trying so hard to deny and censor.
And that is where we differ. Do you know the fallacy "appeal to history?" Just because something has been accepted as right by people in the past does not mean I think we should accept it.
I can give a whole long argument about why I think gay marriage should be legal. I can do the same for my positions on abortion, gun rights, government-funded college, and so on. I think the founding fathers were wrong about a lot. They were certainly right about a lot, and we absolutely should not disregard our heritage and history. But that doesn't mean we must avoid change.
I have, on many occasions, like so many others on this site, given you logical, calm explanations for why my beliefs differ from yours. And yet your only response has been to call us 'deceptive' or 'liars' and then attempt to silence our voices on your debates.
If you wish to "save the lives of our babies" well trying to ban abortions isn't going to be effective. What will be effective and what has been shown to be effective is working to reduce unintended pregnancies. Which is done through comprehensive sex ed and increasing the socioeconomic class of people across our country.
If you wish to reveal 'hypocrisy' or policies that lack compassion, no imparial reader would be convinced by any of your rants filled with expletives. You come across as angry, mean, rash, and illogical. If you want to accomplish your goals, edit your tone.
I laugh how I constntly hear from people on the Left that if we are more polite and agreeable when we debate, you might change your opinions?
LOL, so you are saying even if everything we say is correct, but say it in a not so nice way, you will just ignore the truth of what we say because you did not like how we presented it?
Now how ignorant is that? If someone tells me the truth about something, and it makes perfect sense, I hope I never become so stubborn and arrogant to deny the truth because of the manner someone presented that truth to me.
I don't simply believe history because of history's sake. I believe it because I have lived those values and I know they work. I am watching before my very eyes people living lives totally opposite those traditional values and are ruinng their lives because of it.
Why are you lieing? I have never used expletives towards anyone on this site. Are you saying that by me pointing out the inhumnity of abortion, and calling people who deny obvious things as being stupid and arrogant, that is spewing expletives? GET REAL!
You're right. I've used it exactly two times. Good counting.
I laugh how I constntly hear from people on the Left that if we are more polite and agreeable when we debate, you might change your opinions?
If you don't think tone is important in communication, I'm not sure how I can convince you. How's this: Tone is important in communication. You claim to ban people for their tone all the time.
Now how ignorant is that? If someone tells me the truth about something, and it makes perfect sense, I hope I never become so stubborn and arrogant to deny the truth because of the manner someone presented that truth to me.
Well, I guess that's why you don't ban people for how they present their arguments.
I never ban peope for proving me wrong about something. I ban them for deceiving me with mindless excuses to try to make themseves right. If they EVER had an intelligent response that proved me wrong, I could care less how they presented it.
So tell me, if someone told you the correct numbers of Black children in broken homes(72%) would you ignore it if the person presented that fact in an unagreeable way?
I am no longer putting you on auto ban because you are civil and do not deceive as much as others. You don't stalk my every post.
Well I already knew the answer to my question, but there is always hope a person can have an epiphany and see the total bankrupcy of the ideology they support. Not likely with teenagers.
When you get a job, own a home, pay property taxes and all the other taxes and fees that make it so hard for the middle class to get by, then we will talk.
If and when you get a good job, and so much of your hard earned money goes to pay for dead beats who refuse to live responsibly and get jobs, then you will understand the damage created from the Socialist Left. 70% of my high property taxes goes to pay for medicaid in my area.
Actually I believe your's will be the generation that feels the collapse of our economic system from all the debt.
Until then, your arrogance to actually believe you know more about life and politics then someone who has lived it, is crazy.
Remember back to this debate the first day you vote for a Conservative, it will be the first day you truly understand human nature and life.
That was so off topic that it hurt my chest. I believe we were talking about how wrong you were about how people follow you and to act and not act around trolls.
Question....... Do you ever get bored with your debates ? You banned so many people that you get few replies and those few replies are usually people disagreeing with you.
The most popular fictional character in this country is Batman, who is the epitome of exorbitant wealth. Our TV shows idolize the rich, our famous athletic figures are rich, etc.
No, success does not breed contempt for those who succeeded. Imbalanced success and a lack of social mobility will lead to contempt for the system that those people succeeded in, however.
But silly me for trying to point out nuance to you :P
People climb up and down the wealth ladder all the time. Approximately 80% of all billionaires are self-made. They worked hard, stopped acting like an idiot, learned how to use their money, stopped complaining, picked up their nuts, and now their successful. Excuses are worst deterrent of success. Anybody that make one tiny bit of an excuse about something will never achieve success. You'll be in the same place you are ten years from now...alone, self-righteous, and still searching for the white privilege, misogynistic, sexist, racist, homophobic bigfoot. NEWS FLASH: The world owes you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! It's actually quite the opposite. We got scientists the are curing diseases, a go-kart on Mars, and average everyday people are doing their part by attending military and police events, giving their own blood, and even picking up litter. And then you have those idiots that cry and complain about not being successful. Success is mostly self-made. People have to pick themselves up, and go out and be somebody.
People climb up and down the wealth ladder all the time. Approximately 80% of all billionaires are self-made.
Do you believe that the United State's incredibly low social mobility rating has any relevance, or no?
They worked hard, stopped acting like an idiot, learned how to use their money, stopped complaining, picked up their nuts, and now their successful.
I've never claimed otherwise. However, countless more people did exactly that, but didn't have the same results. That does not mean those folks didn't try hard enough, were still idiots, or complained too much.
Anybody that make one tiny bit of an excuse about something will never achieve success.
You and I both know that remark is factually ridiculous. I could point to any billionaire on the planet and they would have come up with some excuse for something at some point.
You'll be in the same place you are ten years from now...alone, self-righteous, and still searching for the white privilege, misogynistic, sexist, racist, homophobic bigfoot.
Strange, I thought you said it was the Left that tries to push emotion? Yet here you are, claiming that I am "self-righteous", "searching for the white privilege" (no need to search for it, I have already found it), "misogynistic, sexist, racist, homophobic bigfoot". You'll note that I almost never use any of those terms, with the exception of folks like Winklepecker who are explicitly racist (seriously, he says that blacks are inherently inferior).
If you are going to claim the logical high ground, please refrain from such emotion straw men.
NEWS FLASH: The world owes you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
I never claimed otherwise. Certain aspects of the world do owe me things, however. The government owes me returns on my Social Security investment, my friend down the street owes me 5 bucks, etc.
It's actually quite the opposite. We got scientists the are curing diseases, a go-kart on Mars, and average everyday people are doing their part by attending military and police events, giving their own blood, and even picking up litter. And then you have those idiots that cry and complain about not being successful.
There is no logical connection between those two, and demonizing the poor doesn't solve anything.
Success is mostly self-made. People have to pick themselves up, and go out and be somebody.
And ideally it would actually work that way. But in a society with horrible social mobility, terrible distribution of wealth, wages that aren't rising to meet cost of living and inflation and a society that generally treats labor like crap, that sort of ideal simply doesn't exist.
I'm all for living in a society that does work that way. I'm just not going to pretend that it is already that way.
I know you want to use religion to wiggle your way out of it, but you folks find a way to band together in your shared hatred of everyone on the left anyway.
I've always wondered, what is the purpose of laughing at one's own joke, particularly in a non-verbal setting? Is it an attempt at assuring the audience that what you said was funny?
It is lack of success despite serious effort which breeds contempt. It is not simply that guy over there is successful so now I'm going to hate him for it.
When people are truly trying their best, whether it's working two full time jobs or fielding a sports team which gave its all or bidding competitively for a contract, yet they lose while watching the same winner get it again, then that's when the contempt comes out.
The average poor person actually does not want to rob or stone the average rich person. Typically all they really want is enough reward for hard work that they're not so poor any more.
There are more who don't try at all and hate you for what you worked for and got. Even if after serious effort and falling short is no justification for hating those who did well.