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 Why do people care so much about Benghazi? (49)

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Why do people care so much about Benghazi?

It was 4 people. Not a war, not a genocide, not a bombing campaign. Almost 10X that amount are killed DAILY in the U.S. from intentional homicide. What is so special about these 4 people that their deaths are still being brought up 4 years later? I understand the atrocity of the events, just not sure why it's still discussed past having a memorial for the victims.
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Four people died and the Obama admin, including Hillary, lied about the details. That 3:00 am call came in and Hillary & Obama were no shows. Hillary is running for Office and this goes to her leadership, character and competency. If she weren't running for office, you would hear very little on this topic.

cownbueno(407) Disputed
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Still though, I understand they were government officials, and Clinton was the Secretary of State at the time so foreign affairs are supposed to be her business, but what was expected of them to do?

HighFalutin(3402) Clarified
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They could have sent rescue teams, or backup reinforcements rather than leaving them for dead, which is what they did. They didn't want to risk sending in help for fear of increasing casualties. Remember, the election was just around the corner. The also lied about it, blatantly. They lied early, they lied often and used their underlings to help perpetrate the false narrative on the public.

Emails were uncovered that showed she lied, so it goes to the ongoing problem of Hillary's credibility.

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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Thousands died during the Bush Administration. The "call" didn't come in in the middle of the night, but is was delivered to him in the morning several times. He chose to ignore it ... can you say "Twin Towers"?? The "facts" were gone over, and over, and over at a cost of $7M+, and the "Republican investigation" found YOUR statements to be "not true", otherwise she WOULD have been "locked up" with relish!

The truth is, MOST of America do NOT care about Benghazi anymore, we've spent tax money that could have been better used for our schools ... or could be released by that same conservative Congress for a Zika vaccine ... that would be nice, and FAR more useful! Your question would be better asked if you had said "Why do SOME people care so much about Benghazi?" (When even THEY couldn't find a lick of truth in their TRUMPED up dreams!)

HighFalutin(3402) Clarified
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This is about Benghazi, not Bush. The Benghazi investigation proved she lied. It also uncovered the private, home-brewed server. It was money well spent.

Thank you for allowing me to enlighten you.

You're welcome.

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why should anybody care if one of those four people had been you?.................

cownbueno(407) Disputed
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They have no reason to. If I have no effect on their daily lives, they never knew me or anyone in my family and I never influenced their life in any way, shape or form, why would they care about me and what occurs in my life?

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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God loves you. You mean so much to Him that He gave His only begotten Son to die for you, He paid your price so you don't have to pay in Hell. Every individual person has the same value. Why do you think life should be so cheapened that nobody should care for you?

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Because it is still unclear if there was a chance for quicker or more decisive action to have made a difference. Also, the most important and debated aspect of Benghazi is the fact that the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton in particular, lied about the events and tried to play it off as something that it wasn't. People are angry over this and the fact that Clinton is a POTUS candidate even though she has blatantly and repeatedly lied to the American people.

You are of course 100% correct but this canadian does not want to hear the OBVIOUS reasons. He just wants to support this corrupt Hillary.

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Everyone cares about a loss of life, especially if it was preventable.

But there are literally dozens of international incidents every year which could have been dwelled upon the same as Benghazi. The world and the calendar year is full of death and mistakes. Benghazi was a super long and very expensive investigation as well as a spin doctor talking point specifically because the right wing was hoping to torpedo Hillary Clinton in her run for President. That doesn't mean it isn't relevant or important, but it does mean there are politics behind its push. Why do people care so much about Benghazi? Politics.

cownbueno(407) Disputed
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This makes a lot of sense. I often wondered why the largest shooting in U.S. history is still talked about much less than the events in Benghazi, despite the latter happening almost 4 years earlier.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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Did you see what just happened? People responded to you why benghazi is still so important. You waited till one of the low end brainwashed Hillary supporters excused all her lies and corruptions once more..... AND THEN of course you agreed with his words.

You are not looking for the facts, you are looking for an excuse to justify your support for Hillary. Who do you think you are kidding here?

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This makes a lot of sense. I often wondered why the largest shooting in U.S. history is still talked about much less than the events in Benghazi, despite the latter happening almost 4 years earlier.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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It's sad you have become part of the low end conditioned government dependent electorate to have no problem when our leaders LIE TO US and four innocent human lives are sacrificed. Our murdered Benghazi ambassador was asking for more security and sent many warnngs to Hillary of the inpending danger.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?

Why are you trying to compare everyday deaths, to our Government deliberately lying to Americans. People like you and so many others on this site are the exact reason our Government is so corrupt. How would you feel if one of those four lives were you, or your family members? It's one thing to understand deaths from criminals who are brought to justice. It's another thing when our Government hides the truth to the murders and does nothing about it!

The person who lied about all of this is running for our highest office and has been proven many many times to be corrupt, acting in criminals manners, and not deserving of our national security clearance. This is why this story is so relevant!

I REPEAT, WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?

Are you yet another charity case who only cares for free stuff no matter the corruption of those you elect? Are you old enough to vote?

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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I've found that almost every person on this debate site asking a question on some topic, has done so purely to push his already formed beliefs on the subject.

We could give you a thousand reasons why Benghazi is so important, and you will wait for that one Democrat partisan to say what you are looking to hear and then say.....

"this makes a lot of sense"

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You are right. It has been blown way out of proportion.

The only people who care about it now are the zealous Right Wingers who are using it in an attempt to discredit Hillary Clinton and try and derail her presidential bid.

This of course includes the Trump voters. See, they know that their candidate is so unfit for office--just like Obama said yesterday--that their only recourse is to try and smear his opponent, who is vastly more qualified than he is.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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it shows the truth about how much Hilary cares about you...she doesn't care about you any more than she cared about our heroes she left to be set up and slaughtered.

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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LOL, still the fool who says he smeared feces on Christian literature, and then months later saying he lied about it to bother Christians, and then tells us how he did not support Hillary, and now is constantly making excuses for her and saying you would vote for her.

I see why you like her.... you are as big a pathetic liar as she is. With all your claims to being intellegent, it takes a complete stupid moron to vote for Hillary. She is a proven criminal who deserves to be in jail.

No ones asking you to vote for Trump if you don't want to. Simply don't be a brainwashed fool and vote Hillary.

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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As Helen Degenerest would say: "Right back atcha!" Don't be a brainwashed fool. No ones asking you to vote for Hillary if you don't want to, the NON-brainwashed half of the Republican Party will fill in for you. ;<)

It's sad you have become part of the low end conditioned government dependent electorate to have no problem when our leaders LIE TO US and four innocent human lives are sacrificed. Our murdered Benghazi ambassador was asking for more security and sent many warnngs to Hillary of the inpending danger.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?

Why are you trying to compare everyday deaths, to our Government deliberately lying to Americans. People like you and so many others on this site are the exact reason our Government is so corrupt. How would you feel if one of those four lives were you, or your family members? It's one thing to understand deaths from criminals who are brought to justice. It's another thing when our Government hides the truth to the murders and does nothing about it!

The person who lied about all of this is running for our highest office and has been proven many many times to be corrupt, acting in criminals manners, and not deserving of our national security clearance. This is why this story is so relevant!

I REPEAT, WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?

Are you yet another charity case who only cares for free stuff no matter the corruption of those you elect? Are you old enough to vote?

2 points

You know for someone who absolutely hates being insulted you sure know how to dish it out at the absolute wrong time. When someone asks you why you are upset about something your immediate reaction should be that the person does not know what you are upset about. But not you. Your immediate reaction is that the guy knows exactly what you think before you tell him, and exactly why it bothers you without you telling him. Then you attack the guy for not having the same thoughts as you before actually telling him your thoughts. He isn't American. He isn't able to follow our news the same way you are.

cownbueno(407) Disputed
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Critical thinkers are a very rare breed nowadays, hence "FromWithin"'s constant barrages of rubbish rebuttals. I'm open to opinions regardless of political views and I'm not from the U.S. so my views and who I would support are irrelevant in this discussion, but it perpetuates the GOP stereotype that they're "dumb and uneducated" when I see responses like his/her's.

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Jesus Christ you spend a lot of time insulting people you disagree with.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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LOLOLOLOLOL, I will respond to you, A DECEPTIVE IDIOT once about every month just to repeat what a hypocritical moron you truly are.

You have dissagreed with every single debate I have ever written you mindless hypocritical fool!

Go ahead and insult me once more LIKE YOU ALWAYS DO even though I am NEVER speaking to you. I wll not respond to your next insults for at least another month or maybe forever. Who knows..

Cartman isn't even worth responding to once a month. You two fools should join a tag team of insult artists.

cownbueno(407) Disputed
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Again, it was only 4 people? Guaranteed that that many and more were killed just in the time it took to write this half paragraph. Why are those 4 in particular more important than any other life lost in the run of a day? What was so special about them?

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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I Don't have to ask "what's wrong with YOU, I KNOW. It's that "low end conditioned", right wing rhetoric dependent, individual thought incapable political ROBOT who follows the prescribed talking point agenda to a " T ". THAT'S, What's wrong with YOU!

I will be 80 on my next birthday. Do you think I'll be old enough to vote?? I have taken NOTHING "FREE" from my government, not even a weeks unemployment, I worked until I was 73, my standard work week was more like 56 hours than 40, with many going over 80! Charity case?? NEVER! Lazy Liberal?? I've known as many lazy conservatives as liberals ... at least most of the lazy liberals were not as hypocritical as the lazy conservatives. I want MY country back, ....the one YOU are probably not old enough to remember .... before Reagan! The one where the rich paid their fair share (up to 90% under IKE!, they STILL got rich!) The one before the American dream was destroyed .... by conservatives!

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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If you never asked for hand outs from Government and worked all your life as you claim, I commend you and have respect for your hard work ethic.

The next question TO ANYONE who worked hard as you say, HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU SUPPORT A PARTY WHO CONSTANTLY PUNISHES YOUR HARD WORK AT EVERY STEP?

Have you noticed the cost of high property taxes, high obamacare mandates, etc.

You see, you have been retired during this transformtion of this new extremist Socialist Democrat party. Your income is fixed and there are some tax breaks for retirees, etc.

How's that zero percent interest rate doing for your retirement savings. The reason our interest rates stay so low for all of Obama's term is because his socilaistic mandates on business are keeping our economy at a snails pace with constant fear of going into recession if those interest rates are raised.

1 point

Because it is a story of betrayal.

And of selfishness for comfort political selfishness

Empty people who love riches lies and conspiracies

Love of self without honor

Empty leaders who God will judge

Disloyal to God and humanity

Not one sparrow fall without the Father knowing

Are these 4 men less valuable than a sparrow?

We are being judged, and the blood of these will be on the head of our leaders. Abraham's Seed extends Israel and America and every Nation that is "a Christian" Nation!

EZEKIEL 38

1And the word of the Lord came to me saying, 2 “Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him 3 and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal. 4 I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them splendidly attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords; 5 Persia, Ethiopia and Put with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer with all its troops; Beth-togarmah from the remote parts of the north with all its troops—many peoples with you.

7 “Be prepared, and prepare yourself, you and all your companies that are assembled about you, and be a guard for them. 8 After many days you will be summoned; in the latter years you will come into the land that is restored from the sword, whose inhabitants have been gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel which had been a continual waste; but its people were brought out from the nations, and they are living securely, all of them. 9 You will go up, you will come like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land, you and all your troops, and many peoples with you.”

10 ‘Thus says the Lord God, “It will come about on that day, that thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil plan, 11 and you will say, ‘I will go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will go against those who are at rest, that live securely, all of them living without walls and having no bars or gates, 12 to capture spoil and to seize plunder, to turn your hand against the waste places which are now inhabited, and against the people who are gathered from the nations, who have acquired cattle and goods, who live at the center of the world.’ 13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish with all its villages will say to you, ‘Have you come to capture spoil? Have you assembled your company to seize plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to capture great spoil?’”’

14 “Therefore prophesy, son of man, and say to Gog, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “On that day when My people Israel are living securely, will you not know it? 15 You will come from your place out of the remote parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great assembly and a mighty army; 16 and you will come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog.”

17 ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Are you the one of whom I spoke in former days through My servants the prophets of Israel, who prophesied in those days for many years that I would bring you against them? 18 It will come about on that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” declares the Lord God, “that My fury will mount up in My anger. 19 In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that day there will surely be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all the creeping things that creep on the earth, and all the men who are on the face of the earth will shake at My presence; the mountains also will be thrown down, the steep pathways will collapse and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will call for a sword against him on all My mountains,” declares the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 With pestilence and with blood I will enter into judgment with him; and I will rain on him and on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, a torrential rain, with hailstones, fire and brimstone. 23 I will magnify Myself, sanctify Myself, and make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am the Lord.”’

cownbueno(407) Disputed
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The first 4 lines made sense, afterwards I have no clue what you're talking about.

KNHav(1957) Clarified
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Ezekiel, Daniel, and a few other prophets focus on end times prophesies along with Revelations, and some of what Jesus said direct.

The Bible an instruction manual, explains every detail for understanding, and then also a Time keeper for us to show us where we are and what's next. It's written to His people and as time progresses, "at the appointed time" God opens the playback within the pages of the "football" to reveals things, times, events, rebellions, everything from the Catholic midevil dark ages to religious freedom, to extreme depravity all recorded in the "football," in order to keep His people on track, and give warnings, and instructions and commands for preparations for His people to stay on the side of the light as everything goes down!

And while He shows His people, He blinds everyone else.

Blinding them so they "stumble at noonday" "the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, stars fall, earthy quakes"

If you read through the prophets Isaiah Jeremiah Ezekiel all of them, this "violent Bible" as people accuse, is actually a revealing of everything from beginning to end. Which currently we are about 6000 years since the story of Creation. 6 days!

The Word of God is like moving "a football" through time. Like a football the presidents pass with all the informations and codes needed to defence and procedure.

So I posted Ezekiel 38, here because it's pertinent to what we see happening today. This is an end time prophesy.

And Islamic extremism is a key player, as they hate Israel and the US whether we admit or not is considered a Christian Nation, as well as which Christianity is part of Judaism, when passing the football. Also Muslims are part of the football.

Here is a prophesy given about Ishmael, now this is part of the football. There are lots of parts. But it's significant. Gog is the use of the many nations and the Spirit of Ishmael. His blood is in many Nations, and we see this enmity and strife set as a part of the football. And Russia is significant, Turkey, and the "horn" of Africa.

We see beasts with horns in the Bible apocalyptic prophesies.

And note its very interesting, the prophesy discusses in

verse 10 -‘Thus says the Lord God, “It will come about on that day, that thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil plan, 11 and you will say, ‘I will go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will go against those who are at rest, that live securely, all of them living without walls and having no bars or gates

Its interesting with all the political discussions of open borders and the funny "wall" discussions of our day

Israel and the USA and other Allie Nations, the United Nations, and all political, geographical, and Islamic extremism is all part of the "football"

Here is a prophesy regarding Ishmael -

Genesis 16

8 He said, “Hagar, Sarai’s maid, where have you come from and where are you going?” And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai.” 9 Then the angel of the Lord said to her, “Return to your mistress, and submit yourself to her authority.” 10 Moreover, the angel of the Lord said to her, “I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they will be too many to count.” 11 The angel of the Lord said to her further,

“Behold, you are with child,

And you will bear a son;

And you shall call his name Ishmael,

Because the Lord has given heed to your affliction.

12 “He will be a wild donkey of a man,

His hand will be against everyone,

And everyone’s hand will be against him;

And he will live to the east of all his brothers.”

And Gog did mix with decendents of Ishmael.

So my point in posting is how far Liberals have taken the USA from the founding Fathers intent, and the self declarations of the Liberal populous, "We are not a Christian Nation" with a fist up!

So as we are being torn up from within and without, by "bowls of wrath being poured out," from Revelations, and actually some are being poured out, already! As we stand, and we don't even know it!

But as the US puts their fist up against God, so in essence, we declared war against God. And its a sad day, but a joyous day.

In 1 sense sad because the hate and violence is dancing in the open like never before, its shocking to the reasonable mind! Yet almost acceptable and natural to the mind that is like the wild animal, "or beast" the "mind of a beast" and the becoming minds like beasts is also recorded to happen in the football. But in another sense joyous because we are coming to the end of the whole game. And that means Jesus is coming soon and for His people, we'll we look forward to it.

It's a double edge sword, separating darkness to more darkness and light to more light.

So Benghazi is an example of the mind of the beast in leadership, with Gog tearing us as another beast. And every bit of it is judgement. And the blood spilled of these men, is on the heads of both of these beasts.

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Excellent question! Of course the answer is that it's the "political fodder" WE have spent $7M disproving and one party has little else going for them.

If a conservative "hero" was the accused they would be saying "SEE, s/he is INNOCENT, the conservative Congress PROVED IT.. and you guys have NOTHING ! But, It's HRC ...(alias Lucifer ;<)), and THE favorite Republican punching bag for nearly 20 years (also the one who scares them the most)! "There goes our oligarchy! BOO HOO!"