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 How can a compassionate God exist, when compassionate Christians, do not? (36)

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How can a compassionate God exist, when compassionate Christians, do not?

Maybe there is, no God.
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How can a compassionate God exist when millions die from a God allowed virus, from God allowed floods, hurricanes, tornadoes? Allows hundreds of children to suffer from cancer and other diseases in places like St. Judes? (Thank a human for its existence). How can a compassionate God exist?? Indeed. In fairness, there ARE MORE compassionate Christians, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, atheists, etc. .... than compassionate "gods"!

And then there's the racist, unfeeling, world polluting "Christians", "Jews", "Muslims", "Chinam... well, you get the idea. THEY are allowed to exist while good people suffer?? That's compassion?? No thanks, I'll save my "worship" for those who fight for safety, cures, the planet, etc.!

Rusticus(810) Disputed
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Where is this "Christian" of which you refer to? I've never known one and I doubt you have either. First of all we need to define what a Christian is. According to the Bible Christ himself defined who was a Christian and who isn't so lets pretend that Bible is a reliable source of information and quote Christ on what a Christian is:“And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.”

I'm not going to bother to quote the rest, they're all well known. Turn the other cheek, love thy neighbor. Give your cloak to the man who asks for your shirt, the meek shall inherit the earth, and it goes on and on and on. A true Christian is as much a myth as is a Unicorn.

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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I admit, it IS a rare being. I HAVE met a few ... very few, and they were VERY nice people. Naive, but very nice. I've met fewer Unicorns, to be sure, but not THAT fewer ... if you know what I mean. ;-)

How can a compassionate God exist when millions die from a God allowed virus, from God allowed floods, hurricanes, tornadoes?

You can't reason out the Christian God because part of believing in him is abandoning reason. That's exactly what makes these people so dangerous.

Chinaman(3570) Clarified
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It's the virus called 19 but stupid can ya tell me how many have died from the flu

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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I hope you make it to 19. That should be about 5 years from now, won't it? In the meantime, better get a flu shot ....... and pray ;-)

Chinaman(3570) Clarified
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Where do the hurricanes come from that enter the Atlantic ? Come on stupid whiner you should know that

Lilymarie(43) Disputed
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This compassionate God is watching HUMANS Kill each other. US hurting each other. This compassionate God gave us free will because he doesnt want to control us. He wants us to choose him. You talk about God like he's this supreme being over us and just looks down at us and gives us floods and disease and earthquakes whenever we want for the fun of it. This God weeps and is saddened because of the choices our society makes because he gave us the gift of free will and this is how we use it. We are the ones tearing each other apart. God gave us love he gave us mercy, he gave us life. Heck, you wouldnt be alive to write that post if it weren't for him. But how we have decided to live our lives, is really why we have so much suffering

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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Let me be clear: I DO NOT "talk about GOD like he's this supreme being ....."! I talk about YOUR "God", about Allah, about Jeshua, about Zeus, about Sun Ra, about the "Great Spirit", about the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" ..... as figments of imagination.

I DO agree that "WE are the ones tearing each other apart." I don't agree with "God gave us love he gave us mercy, he gave us love." If you believe HE gave us those things you also have to believe HE gave us famine, disease, floods, Earthquakes, but certainly not for "the fun of it". Why did he give us so much suffering?.......... He didn't.

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How can a compassionate God exist, when compassionate Christians, do not?

Hello Y:

I don't know much about it, but I certainly wouldn't blame God for the behavior of some asshole Christians..

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If God is unwilling to stop His followers from being cruel, He forfeits, my worship. I don't believe, anymore.

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Hey. It's ok to take a step back from believing in God. He will be there when you come back, if you choose to. What's important is you find something that makes you happy with you. The world can be a crap place, people can be crap people, the only thing you can change is who you are and what you do. Just as there is bad, there is always good. Maybe instead of focusing on all the bad, take a look a little deeper and look at the helpers. Look at the people doing good. Watch videos or read stories of people running to rescue others, be it human or animal. That always helps me when depression gets a little too much.

If God is unwilling to stop His followers from being cruel, He forfeits, my worship. I don't believe, anymore.

How are you doing today honey pie?

BrontoLite(759) Disputed
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If God is unwilling to stop His followers from being cruel, He forfeits, my worship. I don't believe, anymore.

Obviously you didn't understand the concept of Jesus prior to yiur withdrawal. Excellent work.

Chinaman(3570) Clarified
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You are a Jew but you are not a Christian ? Try to work that for me and this will be fun because you are one Confused Black Jew

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Do you think Jews are Christians?

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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You are not a Chinaman NOR a Christian, obviously. Trying to work that you ARE may be fun for YOU, but, few will believe it. It would be like believing Trump is the "law and order President". He is as far from that as you are a Christian! Certainly not a New Testament Christian. You are one confused white outlaw!

BrontoLite(759) Disputed
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but I certainly wouldn't blame God for the behavior of some asshole Christians..

Hey look. Libs do possess the ability to use basic comprehension. Maybe they'll use it some day against the leftist psychopaths running the Democratic Party one day too late.

Chinaman(3570) Clarified
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Tell me all about your love for the Muslims you Party Parrot ?

Stupid i thought you were a Jew ?

Do you have confusion each day until ya turn on DNC Media ?

Xtianity is just Judeao puppets. Be true to your ancestors- follow the Non-Abrahamic faiths. No dogma. Free yourself from tyranny of the Semite.

There are 3 elements to the classic Epicurus test:

- does God love humans and want them not to suffer

- does God know about their suffering

- does God have the power to do something to eliminate that suffering

This would make an all-knowing and all-powerful God that loves humans impossible.

However, if you allow for a god that is limited in knowledge and/or power, you can cling to a possible god worthy of worship.

I don't think that there is good evidence that such a god exists, but putting it out there in case that is comforting to you.

BurritoLunch(6566) Clarified
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This would make an all-knowing and all-powerful God that loves humans impossible.

He's already impossible without any "classic Epicurus test" because being all-knowing and all-powerful is a contradiction. For example, if God is all-knowing then he would be unable to write a math equation he did not know the answer to, which would mean he couldn't be all-powerful.

You just look these things up on Google because you're a narcissist and want to convince people you're intelligent. You're not intelligent. Intelligent people simplify things. People trying to be intelligent complicate them.

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The same is said of just all-powerful itself - can God make a rock so heavy that he can't lift it, etc.?

That doesn't actually say anything about my post which is about a god of limited knowledge and/or power.

And we all know a math problem you can't solve, so if you want to convince everyone that you are simple, mission accomplished...

Edwardian(2) Disputed
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One major flaw in your argument, You assume that you are a temporary animalistic or material form. The entire basis for spiritual development is the premise that we are not a material body or avatar, that we are spiritual energy bodies inside these avatars that serve as experiential learning vehicles for spiritual evolutionary purposes (if it dies we get a new one or a better one). Science has discovered that all reality is comprised of one energy form: called the unified field (bases of quantum mechanics) Thus all you and all experiences is one energy form expressed in infinite variations or forms. So science has come to realize that life is "Basically an infinitely large complex hologram."

Your taking the hologram to seriously and forming sorrow for a temporary avatar that is not even you, this is a delusional paradigm view at the core level. You are nor seeing it is just an experience to evolve and learn from. God is not deluded and is trying to wake you up (because you are a new immature aspect of God}. He wants to wake you out of your pointless depressed perspective. Your consciousness needs to evolve to see reality and, no its not cruel as no one is dying and You are a part of God so he wouldn't hurt Himself . God is expanding (so are you), this growth requires experiences that may seem very visceral, but it is what is found to work the best thus far for evolution. The pain you feel is aspects of you or God is immature and still learning to work together in harmony, we learning the basics of understanding not to be selfish as it works against our whole life form, we are teething out our selfish desires which are logically destructive to the whole. So basically relax, learn and enjoy the ride if you can stop such irrelevant fear. The main goal is to become selfless it is the highest point of intelligence and the most harmonious action that benefits the whole (LOVE).

If its possible for you to be completely objective just for a few minutes (meditation helps with this affliction) You will see the basis of your argument is deeply emotional (sad), and when you not neutral its impossible to think or see clearly. This is what is called being asleep as an fear based ego animalistic intelligence (which has extreme limitations). Our main evolutionary path is to wake up beyond the limitation of animalistic intelligence and seat our consciousness spiritual supreme neutral awareness that is balanced in perspective.

I wish you harmonious peace and speedy evolutionary growth.

I’m a Non-Abrahamic, New Age Spirituality. It’s weird how God allows so much suffering. But listen - God gave us the resources (brain) to make a good place for us all to live l! Learn your ancestors. Be true to your ancestors- they paid for the advancement we have today. Don’t worship a FAKE DESERT GOD (wink wink : there’s certain words you get booted for saying ;-)

Genetic engineering can reach us toward immortality when enough hillbilly bible Thumpers get outta the way!

BurritoLunch(6566) Clarified
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But listen - God gave us the resources (brain) to make a good place for us all to live

I honestly hate it when religious people say God gave us this, or God gave us that. You have literally zero evidence the guy even exists, or ever existed. Hence, when you start telling people what he likes, dislikes, gives and doesn't give, it just confirms the pre-existing bias I already have which makes me immediately label you people as insane.

If you want to believe in God, then good for you. But do everybody else a favour and keep it yourself. That's all you need to do to facilitate a happy world where the sane and insane can co-exist in peace.

If God's compassion is not dependent on Christians.

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There is no term to name God. He is everything. xD Good and evil are sometimes non-existent. If possible, all the time. But it helps us to thrive with the old laws in life. It may sometimes be impossible to believe there is a god.

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Any religion or group structure is a combined egoic system. An egoic system is a set of ideas built into the memory banks of a subconscious mindset. Now a religion is many subconscious mindsets with the same ego and it is run by religious leaders who create these ideas. The material mind is separate to the spirit, it is the part of us that just serves us and we believe it is us. The material mind is survival program based in order to live a longer lifespan to make spiritual evolution more efficient.

True enlightened beings (people who operate only in spirit not material mind) can see beyond ego idea structures built into the mind. That is why is is called a spiritual awakening when you become enlightened (so literally the spirit in you wakes up and see its not the temporary material body that lives a very short time and belongs actually in truth to the earth not the spirit, we only borrowing these bodies).

So most people on earth are still asleep and believe they are the animalistic material body that covers their true selves the spirit. Unfortunately this material mind intelligence is not very smart and is survival based and will seek a group to belong to for comfort , as survival is easier in groups. Normally group herd mentality is lead by unenlightened leaders (priests, pastors, Imams etc.) and therefore are not capable of seeing true reality and their life understanding is subjective (ego/material mind perspective) and not objective (based in spirit or ethereal energy awareness). This is why the no compassion or any other irrational judgement comes from, the ego only wants its own ideas to exist and sees any other ideas (lifestyles or egoic systems) as a threat to its own existence. This is similar to how the animal kingdom works but on a more sophisticated level as the human brain is capable of more conscious ability, although still very limited and fear based (which is illogical for its inevitable death is very soon).

Naturally the spirit when it awakens: the first profound observation or realization is that everything is energy and all life is linked and is in actually one infinitely large energy body manifested in infinitely varying forms. Also that the being seeing this truth is one small energetic part and parcel of the very infinitely large hyperintelligent energy body that makes up all of existence.

The frustrating part that I had to get over is that, only the most evolved souls on the earth experience this awakening and only through experience can you truly understand that in reality we are immortal spiritual beings getting past the material dimensional evolutionary stage. The soul only through growth of many many lifetimes can develop enough intelligence through experience to become powerful or capable enough to control fully the mind, body ego material complex.

Thus do not blame the spirit or truth in religious enlightened figures like Jesus, rather blame the unenlightened religious leaders who cannot see beyond their animalistic intellect.