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Amarel has significantly higher IQ than Mathfan. Mathfan is very average intellectually and interprets things at face-value frequently. Amarel has layers upon layers of semantic manoeuvring and comprehension of the concepts he debates even though he picks the dumber side at times.
Amarel is probably the third-smartest regular user of this website at the moment. I am the smartest and FM is second-place but not during his Brontoraptor persona.
They are both the same person you basket case. They make the exact same uncommon grammar mistakes and their snide, sniping, bitter personalities are identical.
Shut up and get back to your alien demigods. They will not be pleased with your inadequate detective skills.
Totally wrong. Mathfan is actually way smarter than him and in terms of raw intelligence (not wisdom/knowledge/creativity etc. but raw IQ) he may be the smartest one here. Amarel is a fucking retard and I consider him to be nothing intellectually. Mathfan is at least learned in physics and mathematics whereas all Amarel does is glorify and romanticize capitalism and bash socialism while having no real skills or knowledge or anything but the repetition of utter hogwash.
Mathfan is very average intellectually and interprets things at face-value frequently.
Trust me, the average person doesn't write walls of text about the kind of subject matter he does. They barely have the attention span to watch 5 minute videos that over simplify information on youtube. Amarel on the other hand is a fucking simpleton. He literally thinks that the definition of capitalism is "economic freedom".
Amarel has layers upon layers of semantic manoeuvring
You are mistaking his word games, playing with definitions and lying as smart debate tactics.
comprehension
No...just no
he picks the dumber side
All the time.
Amarel is probably the third-smartest regular user of this website at the moment. I am the smartest and FM is second-place but not during his Brontoraptor persona.
First of all I'm not fucking Bronto so suck my cock and your own simultaneously. Second the real order is as follows (and I will use different categories)
IQ: 1: Mathfan 2: Nom 3: Mingiwuwu 4: FM
Creativity: 1:FM 2: Nom 3: Mingiwuwu 4: Bronto
Knowledge: 1: Nom 2: FM 3: Mathfan 4: Mingiwuwu
Wisdom: 1:FM 2: Nom 3: Mathfan 4: Mingiwuwu
Basically the 4 of us are the only ones with any brains here and Bronto only gets 4th in creativity for his trolling and ability to distort information.
Nomenclature's enmity toward me is clouding his judgement. Consider, as with the allegory of "Star Wars", the Dark Side of the Force will exploit every crevice of weakness & coward a person possesses. Balance has been broken ever since our debate concerning the topics of Time Travel, Genetic Code, and others some 8 months ago. In this instance, there is a need to regain control of his emotions & mind in order to bring order to muddled, impetuous thought.
In truth, I am not the fiend the devil on his shoulder is persuading him of.
Other than Nom, I see you as having the most potential of anyone here to join the movement to secure humanity's future as a type one civilization. It's unfortunate that Nom hates you, and I can see why he does but I think he is overlooking the positive traits you have and focusing entirely on the points where you disagree.
Consider, as with the allegory of "Star Wars", the Dark Side of the Force will exploit every crevice of weakness & coward a person possesses.
As you know, Nom is very particular about how things are worded and presented and also prone to making personal attacks. But I wouldn't compare him to a dark side user at all. Nom is actually on the right side of things, he is just hostile. If he hadn't insulted me right off the bat we probably would have been allies from the beginning.
Balance has been broken ever since our debate concerning the topics of Time Travel, Genetic Code, and others some 8 months ago.
With the genetic code thing it was about semantics. You obviously know that physical DNA is not the code itself and that there is a difference between codes and patterns etc. (although a code often comes in the form of a pattern) but Nom was picking apart the way you phrased things. Grammatically he was correct, but he was too focused on that rather than the "meat" of the discussion. As for the time travel one I don't remember that as well.
Other than Nom, I see you as having the most potential of anyone here to join the movement to secure humanity's future as a type one civilization.
Although I am eagerly hopeful of this, and look forward to it, one must learn how to walk (or ever stand) prior to running. As of currently, humanity is in a drunken stupor, 'sobriety' & stability is prerequisite to greater adventurous potential.
It's unfortunate that Nom hates you
Nom does not hate me. Rather, he possesses a very fragile ego that seeks retributive justice when cracked or shattered.
But I wouldn't compare him to a dark side user at all.
It is not that Nom is a "Sith", rather that the light & dark live within us all and, in this instance (among others), the dark has gotten the better of him. My statement which you quoted in bold equally holds for me & all other people. In Star Wars it is the "Dark Side of the Force", in Christianity "the Devil", Lord of the Rings presents the "Ring of Power", and secular realm it is "vice".
With the genetic code thing it was about semantics.
Nom argued that any person who contends nature could have devised the code independently is an ignoramus. Further, he continued stating that, clearly, the hand of intelligent creation from extra-terrestrials from long ago, possibly even from a different galaxy, are responsible for life on Earth, as we know it.
Nom argued that any person who contends nature could have devised the code independently is an ignoramus.
You have predictably omitted to mention that our conversation deteriorated when I specifically warned members not to confuse biological DNA with the genetic code and you wrote a lengthy two thousand word reply which began with you confusing biological DNA with the genetic code. Even after you eventually stopped conflating these two things, you wrote several posts attempting to argue that the genetic code had "evolved".
However, you are half-correct in your summary of my position. Although it is obviously a misrepresentation (i.e. I don't believe these people are de facto "ignoramuses"), it does at least recognise that I believe the genetic code could not have originated by chance. However, it also omits the litany of evidence I presented to support my argument, most important of which is the fact that no other naturally occurring code has ever been discovered in the entire history of the species.
Further, he continued stating that, clearly, the hand of intelligent creation from extra-terrestrials from long ago, possibly even from a different galaxy, are responsible for life on Earth
That is a complete, total, jaw-dropping fucking lie.
Fuck off.
You could not wrap your idiotic head around the fact that there are other possibilities about where the code might have come from besides the Abrahamic God. I gave you one.
The code itself is not the same thing as the physical material and I think Mathfan knows that. The thing is, the physical material is what objectively exists and the code is something abstract which comes from the configuration of the material, with it's expression being a property of the material itself. It can also be said that patterns exist within the DNA sequences that contain and express the code. Patterns and codes and DNA are all different things but they are all linked in this instance.
You have predictably omitted to mention that our conversation deteriorated when I specifically warned members not to confuse...
In fact, the conversation began with you providing a caveat along the lines:
Nom: "I know you are going to think I am crazy, but...I believe intelligent creation/design is responsible for the genetic code here on Earth".
xMathFanx: "Are suggesting you believe in a quasi-Prometheus (movie) type scenario?"
Nom: "Yes, very much like that actually. Ancient Engineers of an extra-terestrial basis may have, and very likely did, create the code and blast it out throughout the Cosmos a long time ago."
From there, I brought up the discussion of Directed Panspermia & Francis Crick.
In fact, the conversation began with you providing a caveat along the lines:
Nom: "I know you are going to think I am crazy, but...I believe intelligent creation/design is responsible for the genetic code here on Earth".
You are again misrepresenting what I wrote, but I accept the general premise that if something in existence was not produced by nature it must therefore have been created by a form of intelligence. I would have thought that to simply be common sense. I certainly didn't phrase it the way you have. That phrasing is a misrepresentation intended to manufacture a faux excuse for why you initially misinterpreted/misrepresented my argument as one of Biblical creationism.
xMathFanx: "Are suggesting you believe in a quasi-Prometheus (movie) type scenario?"
Another misrepresentation. You did not ask me if this was what I personally believed. Do you honestly expect people to believe I told you that I literally believe the plot of Prometheus is true?
Shut up, you narcissistic wanker. That lie was the pivot point for you to descend into outright dishonesty, as we can see from the following:-
Nom: "Yes, very much like that actually. Ancient Engineers of an extra-terestrial basis may have, and very likely did, create the code and blast it out throughout the Cosmos a long time ago."
This is a hideous misrepresentation of the conversation we had. Most notably -- and predictably -- is your attempt to manufacture your own phrasing about "Ancient Engineers (sic)". You are distorting my argument hideously to try to make it sound stupid, which is yet further proof that you and Amarel are the same person.
My argument was correct and valid. Codes are something which require intelligence to create by their very nature. They are mathematical keys whose only purpose is to lock data to the correct recipient. Nature has no reason or cause to lock data, which is why nobody has ever found a code in nature before.
You see the difference in our respective positions? Mine is factored on reason, and yours is factored on trying to make me look stupid by misrepresenting the things I have said and/or exploiting pre-existing bias to the possibility of life being designed in order to mock me.
Totally wrong. Mathfan is actually way smarter than him and in terms of raw intelligence
FM, they are the same person.
Trust me, the average person doesn't write walls of text about the kind of subject matter he does
Writing large walls of text is a symptom of narcissism, not intelligence. Intelligent people try to simplify and condense things so their ideas are more communicable to others. It is much easier to hide errors and fallacies in large walls of text.
Amarel on the other hand is a fucking simpleton.
Link me any post you like written by MathFan and I will illustrate why he also fits your description.
"The underlying assumption in your statement is that it is necessary to subscribe to the "Free Market" (whatever that means) religious ideology.. I don't
As I've explained in previous posts, the entire modern Global system (all/overwhelming majority of the luxuries of modernity, as well as the dangers) is predicated on the fruits of Science and Tech. Now, I can only conclude that a person asking this question fails to understand just how precarious our situation is.
For example, there are only about 10,000 Physicists in the world (not all of which are great researchers--there is a standard distribution like in any other population). Without Physicists, we would have next to none of our modern inventions that we currently depend upon nor would we be able to push innovation forward. Therefore, the "basic" research and work of such people is extremely valuable (and there is currently hardly anyone equipped to do it). The standard/average Engineer learns enough Physics, Chem, ect. to harness what we have learned about Nature in a useful manner (however, the overwhelming bulk of this work in no way approaches the depth of understanding in Physics, Chem, ect. and they are highly limited in what they can do). If you just gathered up the one million people most eager, persistent, and qualified to do the sort of research that our modern world depends upon and removed them from the planet, we would be left with very few people (if any) capable of sustaining our current system (and one million is a very generous number). That is a huge problem, and one that is nearly never discussed (accept for in the Scientific community itself, which discusses this matter perpetually) simply because people are taught that their collective delusions in some way make sense, and are viable ideas to organize their lives around (when in reality they are non-sensical and self-destructive).
Also, others such as intensive laborers, many "Blue Collar" professions are imperative in order to keep society functioning and they are looked down upon (often are disincentivized) due to people's simple-minded prejudices (DarthSidious explained this point rather well, I would refer you to his posts). This is an inherently unstable structure as well as unjust (because the people doing the overwhelming bulk of the work are not the ones benefiting from the system).
Basically, my argument is simply: the people doing the overwhelming bulk of the work should be quasi-proportionally related to the ones reaping the benefits (which is not at all our current model)
Your argument is basically, "If people are stupid/ignorant and make horrible decisions as a consequence of this, then let them be stupid/ignorant and make horrible decisions. Who are you and/or the people doing the overwhelming bulk of the work that allows society to function, pushes it forward and lets us survive to voice disapproval/complain about that? Who are "they" to promote intervening with the system in order to course correct this scheme even if people's collective ignorance/stupidity and horrible decision making is objectively running humanity off of a cliff (as well as the ecosystem at large) all while oppressing the people doing all the work?" (Note: That is not a straw-man of what you are suggesting/implying)
Edit: I would add, based on my reading of you current position, the 10,000 physicists number likely doesn't bother you one bit. What if it were 1,000? 500? There is an enormous problem having the information that society is based upon being that arcane. You must see that? Also, it is important to note, these few people in fields such as this are not at all treated like Athletes, Actors, Celebrities, ect. but rather are largely treated very poorly. If someone wants to go into such a field at the moment it has to be in spite of the profound hardships they are bound to encounter (even if they are genius level like Alan Guth for example).
Also, Construction Workers and the like are often treated similarly awful even though our society absolutely depends upon their hard work and continued existence (which is largely taken for granted)" -Mathfan
FM, he appears to be telling you what you want to hear to bring you onside.
I have had many conversations with MathFan in which he has openly supported capitalism and free market economy.
I have also had conversations with MathFan about science (I specialise in science journalism) and can assure you that he does not understand it. When I pointed out some fairly basic mistakes he was making (for example, confusing DNA with the genetic code) he immediately dropped his pretence of civility and reverted to misrepresenting my statements in a ruthlessly abhorrent manner.
Amarel and MathFan are the same person. He is using the MathFan account to try to manipulate you. These views he is espousing in the linked text are not his views: they are yours.
My old friend, I would encourage you to watch the movie "The Number 23" by Jim Carrey. It is a tale of a paranoid schizophrenic who obsessively connects dots that do not exist in order to arrive at a pre-established base conclusion, the Number 23. Currently, you show signs of being several notches dialed down from full realization, however it is best seek professorial help sooner (at first onset), rather than later--as conditions tend to only atrophy with ageing.
We are not friends. Far from it. I consider you to be an intellectually retarded troll.
I would encourage you to watch the movie "The Number 23" by Jim Carrey. It is a tale of a paranoid schizophrenic who obsessively connects dots that do not exist in order to arrive at a pre-established base conclusion
Your hypocrisy is on full display with this pitiful piece of provocation. My initial account was banned because of reports you made to the site owner that I was using alt accounts. The fact that you happily deride me for behaviour you were initially the first of us to display only illustrates my point that you are a disingenuous, narcissistic idiot.
Here is a video of another notorious manipulator and liar. I am quite sure you will find this to be abundantly beneficial in your future studies on how to be a pitifully obnoxious arsehole.
Your hypocrisy is on full display with this pitiful piece of provocation.
The entire intended purpose of this thread, your creation, is to flame-bait & troll. Hence, in response, I gave you a dose of your own medicine by gas-lighting.
I genuinely don't believe they are the same person but ultimately I just don't care. You could be right, you could be wrong, it really doesn't matter.
I disagree. It matters a great deal because this person is a manipulator, and manipulators are the people who are eventually going to bring our species into destruction.
He can change his apparent views as and when it suits him with considerable ease, but what he is unable to do is modify the way he uses grammar and punctuation. Those things remain constant.
If you are interested in knowing how far trolls like this actually go in order to disguise their identities, then read the following. It will give you some insight:-
You have not been here for nearly three days, during which time I have been arguing with Amarel constantly. Now Amarel has vanished and you have arrived.
Nomenclature has accused me of being roughly half a dozen people thus far.
Another lie.
If you want to disprove my allegation -- and it appears evident that you do -- the best way to go about it is not by lying. Perhaps you could offer us an explanation about why you make identical grammar mistakes? That would be a good start. Why do you both introduce lists with a semi-colon? Why do you both never space your long dashes? Why do you both capitalise random words which are not proper nouns?
Answering those questions would be a much better start than telling lies and writing sniping posts.
I've debated the both of you and there is enough discrepancy to where I really don't think you are the same person but again and ultimately, it really doesn't matter. Same person or different, I've had good debates with the both of you.
