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Can you please define "value" in regards to this discussion in precise terms
To value = To attend to situational developments with the aim of preserving or attaining desireable things and/or outcomes
Your two qualifying examples were both based on immediate, neutral observation.
Value beliefs are not neutral. And I believe previously in this thread I was careful to distinguish the difference between beliefs about how things simply are and beliefs concerning how we want things to turn out.
Given that they consider themselves a religion, do you think this is because: they don't really understand what religion is, or they are dishonestly using the term for ulterior motives, or what reasons could you imagine that they would think they are appropriately and legally classified as a religion?