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 Why is Pedophilia Wrong READ MY DEBATE BEFORE YOU ANSWER (43)

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Why is Pedophilia Wrong READ MY DEBATE BEFORE YOU ANSWER

I personally believe that it is ok to be a pedophilia 

1.because pedophiles don't choose to like young boys/girls

2. most pedophiles treat. there partner with the most respect possible and would do nothing to harm the child and only preforms actions with the Childs consent

3.if anything society and social stigma causes all the harm to the child let me explain imagine if you loved a man/woman you cared for them and they cared for you but every one considers your relationship wrong and it was illegal because people didn't like it (like in the old days with interracial lovers) some one found out about you to he/she go's to prison where they will be beaten and torched for who they love. after that you where told you where a victim that he/she didn't love you that they only wanted you for sex. then you have to go to court and testify august the one you love knowing that you are sending them to there doom. how would you fell?

4.people argue that its that they can consent I can say if they can't consent to sex then how can they consent to sports not being able to understand the risk, how can they consent to religion because not even full grown adults understand it, how can they consent to circumcision? just asking?

5. children are sexual beings multiple studies show that children you as 3 have sexual curiosity some where between 3 and 6 they start masterbation

6.some people say that they don't have sexually. they do but not the type full grown adults have theres is more based off of personalty

7.some people say god said its not ok, well I have a link for you www.evilbible.com he says and dose a ton of wrong thing?

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2 points

There is a problem when something cannot be debated rationally.

This is not a position on the debate, but an observance - the 'debate' on pedophilia is no debate at all, so far, merely bringing angry tirades and ad hominem.

Is there any subject that can't be debated rationally? One could make a rational argument against murder, but not pedophilia?

Please, make rational arguments. If someone wishes, I will take either side on this debate. Rationally.

Edit: I was writing this when the last post was added. It includes rational argument.

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thank you do to the given evidence what are your thoughts on this??

EldonG(548) Clarified
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Ok, I've finally decided to chime in. As a pedophile can't help who they are attracted to - nobody can - the attraction is not 'wrong' in any justifiable sense. Actions are what counts. Molestation is wrong, child or other, so any actions would have to be non-sexual to be right in modern western society.

I know of other societies that have included children sexually, but they don't matter in the here and now. It's possible that some actions might not have caused harm in those societies, but that is not relevant. What is relevant is the harm that, in all likelihood, is caused by any sexual activity between adults and children in our societies.

My biggest issue regarding this is - children will experiment, among themselves, and first, we are too quick to blame one child from experimenting with another, and we also hide the reality of sexuality from children, which makes them that much more likely to experiment. The stigma of accusing a child of being a molester stays with them for life, and what is likely a victimless situation has now created two victims.

FromWithin(5483) Clarified
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Read my responses. They are rational!........................................................

EldonG(548) Disputed
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You mean the wild rant you went on, casting blame right and left (well, left only, really) while not addressing any points made and with no references to actual data?

That was emotional, not rational.

because pedophiles don't choose to like young boys/girls

That's cool but Jeffrey Dahmer didn't choose to like having sex with decapitated heads either. It still doesn't mean we should let people do it. I'm as liberal as they come and I'm a cultural relativist, but even I understand you have to draw the line somewhere. There is just no way on Earth that a three year old should be having sexual experiences with anyone, let alone an adult. Life has a natural series of phases and the onset of puberty generally determines when someone is ready to engage in sexual activity. If you are trying to have sex with people before they can read and perhaps even before they can walk then that is a psychological problem which you need to understand is your problem and not theirs. I honestly wish the stigma of paedophilia would go away so that people like you wouldn't feel afraid to get treated. I don't believe witch hunts are a solution to any problem in society.

FromWithin(5483) Disputed
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If you are a cultural relativist, you will soon be conditioned to think like political correct Big Brother wants you to think about pedophilia.

You have already denied biology when it comes to sanctioning Homosexuality as a natural normal sexual orientation.

You probably are fine with Transgender laws coming into effect.

You are the low end voter who is slowly conditioned to follow the world's humanistic views of life. You will fall into line with any new age cultural change as they bombard you with constant media conditining to the PC way to think.

Without God, mankind has NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH to hold to.

Are you saying that pedophilia is an example of something that goes against absolute truth? If so I agree, but for how long will you hold on to that truth when the world tells you that you are a judgmental fundamentalist for having such views.

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I do agree with this I think they should be able to do this when they hit a age where they can have there own independent thought like 8 or 9.

I think that people hunting for pedos is harmful and the taking down of child porn websites is dumb because it takes away there only sexual outlet so they can live normal.

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I think it is easier to see how pedophilia is wrong when you get older, and it finally really occurs to you just how undeveloped even the cleverest and well spoken teenager/adolescent is.

Yeah, I think I just used the "You'll get it when you're older" line.

Sex is not something to take rightly. The prevailing attitude towards sex in the mainstream culture is not very healthy. It is very destructive.

Sex outside of marriage is harmful and immoral. The pagans don't understand how marriage isn't an arbitrary thing. It has everything to do with the future generation and its health. Sexual immorality degrades the value of a human being, and besides that it is unsanitary in every way.

Besides that, a man and a woman coming together, working it out, and raising a peaceful household is damn near like accomplishing world peace. It is more skillful. It is a great way to practice charity with sincere faith.

Besides all that, it's really about the children. Children need to develop a defense against their desires for gratification while they are still somewhat sheltered. When they go out in the world, they need a defense, because the world full of deviants who in the end are going to hurt them. If they don't know how to resist that desire, it will lead them into a lot of trouble.

A child who has an adult courting them is already in a lot of trouble. That kid is going to grow up with psychological issues. It's true that things like this in the formative years can stick with a person for the rest of their lives. The adult is not being right to the kid. Any kind of justification here is to satisfy their own lust. A kid may go up to an adult and initiate that sort of thing. It is up to the adult to be unflinching and unhesitatingly unambiguous that it just ain't going to happen. If you don't do that, you are committing an evil against that child. Don't be swayed by reason, you can make a case for anything with reason.

IF you are having these problems of attraction, know that the psyche can be changed and influenced. It can be programmed. Don't hang on to this. It'd be better to leave the kids alone.

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Sex outside of marriage is harmful and immoral.

Here we go again with your sanctimonious religious BS. Sex predates marriage by literally tens of thousands of years, so how does that work out for your theory chief?

TzarPepe(336) Clarified
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Conviction comes from The Holy Spirit, condemnation comes from the devil. What voice are you listening to?

Here it is folks. Proof to what I said would happen as we go down this slippery slope of political correctness when it comes to unnatural abnormal sexual orientatons.

I said that once Gay activists pushed through their forced marriage laws on all States, and then trangender activists forced every public school bathroom to allow so called transgender kids in the boys and girls bathrooms, and all public rest rooms to allow transgender people, we would then move on to pedophiles who also say they are born that way.

Do you see how it works? The Left gets a foot hold with appointed activist Liberal judges, and then one by one force our nation to bow to the political correct activism of these special interest groups.

Everyone will start saying they are born that way so therefore it is supposedly natural and ok.

Did you see the debate about Harvard teaching how anal sex is ok, and how to do it?

This is the no fault depraved Godless culture the Left is ushering in with their insane political correctness. No longer are we allowed to say anything is unnatural or abnormal. We must all censor our voices to bow to the political correct big brothers of our world.

Here's an observation of the total conditional hypocrisy and double standard from the Left. They say that all these unnatural sexual orientations are with people who are born that way, and therefore ok and something we should respect and sanction as ok.

Funny how when it comes to viable late term special need's babies who the Left supports killing in the womb for merely being diverse and different, and who would also be BORN THAT WAY, they are not afforded any rights or political correct protection.

NO!!!!! These innocent special needs babies are tested for their so called abnormalcy and killed! NO TOLERANCE FOR THOSE SPECIAL OLYMPIC CHILDREN'S DIVERSITY!

Now we will hear all the Liberals screaming how they don't support pedophile rights as they did with Gay marriage and Transgender laws before because teens are not old enough to consent.

But with every year they will change with the Political correct times while the pedophile activist voices, such as this screwed up individual, get ever louder with the help of Liberal media. I wonder when the age limits for consenting children will start dropping?

When a nation separates God from it's moral foundation, it will collapse from the no fault anything goes slippery slope. Nothing is sacred in a Godless nation. Values will change with the times and the loudest bully pulpit.

mrcatsam(350) Disputed
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Pardon me.

I find this terribly insulting. Every word of it. I'm a Unitarian, Su I believe that everyone is on their own search for god. Therefore how can we be godless?

Also, to compare a person loving another person to am inexcusable act of child abuse is completely arbitrary.

You have shown that you are close minded in the past, but this is perhaps one of the more insulting, rude arguments.

I would simply like to remind you that not everyone thinks just like you. Don't fault people for not believing in a god who died nothing but expects us to serve him. Don't fault people for love, and the right to live people equally. And furthermore, you've NEVER, EVER been in a position where you need an abortion. So I wouldn't be talking.

FromWithin(5483) Disputed
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Are you TRULY that blind to your total hypocrisy? ARE YOU?

You sit there calling pedophilia as being child abuse (which it is) while living in some kind of lala land whereby KILLING VIABLE CHILDREN IS SOMEONE'S RIGHT!

You just got done saying that not all people think just like myself. You are correct, some people think having sex with kids is ok, and other people think KILLING viable babies is OK.

I still possess the humanity to understand that both of those things are inexcusable unless we are dealing with extreme case exceptions.

It is you that better start understanding that not all people think like you....THANKFULLY, and that there are people who lack the most basic of humanity to understand right from wrong.

The_john_doe(4) Disputed
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in sorry what is wrong with it please provide scientific evidence to prove that the facts I stated are wrong

FromWithin(5483) Disputed
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Why do we have drinking age limits? BECAUSE KIDS ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO HANDLE ALCOHOL!

It's the same for sex. KIDS ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH NOR REPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO HANDLE THE CONSEQUENCES OF SEX!

If you are so mindnumbingly stupid to not understand how adults could seduce or pressure a child into sex, then you do not deserve to even be on a debate sight.

GET A LIFE AND GET HELP FOR YOUR SICK DISORDER.

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You make many valid points. And I'm willing to keep an open mind to the reality that many things society has deemed wrong could have gone the other way. Indeed there were cultures in history where pedophilia was an accepted part of the culture.

And yet:

a) I'm not a pedophile myself, and as the father of two young boys I don't want them to fall prey to a pedophile, so I can oppose it on a personal basis.

b) There is a wide world of millions of lonely adults out there in both genders and in all shapes and sizes. I've known adults who physically looked like children, and adults who mentally and emotionally acted like children even though they were full grown. Quite frankly I don't believe it's impossible for even a pedophile to find someone in the adult range who could indulge them.

c) In the words of Stan Marsh... "Dude! You have sex!... With Children!...."

FromWithin(5483) Disputed
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You can oppose it on a personal basis???????

You are everything I speak of with this anything goes culture. You can't even bring yourself to denounce pedophilia ON A CRIMINAL BASIS, because you have been brinwashed into this Political correct anything goes depravity.

You are the exact low end voter I constantly speak to. You are so easily conditioned to think as PC Big Brother tells you to think. You believe taking a stand against obvious right and wrong is being judgmental unless of course it has to do with killing viable late term special needs children. Then you are fine with it.

It is truly sad people have degraded to this stand for nothing amoral humanistic belief system. But then again, God said this would happen and it is. You and those who actually think like you are the greatest proof to God's existence than anything I've ever witnessed.

Grenache(5570) Disputed
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You're a dolt. Opposing it on a personal basis means I oppose it myself regardless of whether the laws or religion or philosophy or you yourself oppose it. Meaning I'm all in for opposing it. It doesn't mean anything goes. It doesn't in any way even hint that I'm for anything goes. I voted against and gave multiple reasons for against. There was no ambiguity.

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"I personally believe that it is ok to be a pedophilia"

As long as they don't act on their urges or support child-pornographers, sure. In other words, as long as they control themselves and don't sexually abuse children, or support those that do.

"most pedophiles treat. there partner with the most respect possible and would do nothing to harm the child and only preforms actions with the Childs consent"

So if a child consents to taking heroin is this perfectly OK in your book? What if the adult convinces the child to allow them to surgically remove the child's legs?

"if anything society and social stigma causes all the harm to the child"

No, for one thing paedophiles are more likely to have been the victims of childhood sexual abuse themselves (Source 1), though this is strictly correlational. In addition, a plethora of long term negative effects have been documented on people that were sexually abused as a child (Source 2,3,4,5).

"how can they consent to sports not being able to understand the risk"

If you think the long term effects of playing a sport are at all similar to those caused by childhood sexual abuse then read my sources again, please.

"children are sexual beings multiple studies show that children you as 3 have sexual curiosity some where between 3 and 6 they start masterbation"

Citation needed. Also children are curious about everything.

Sources:

(1) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2082860

(2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childsexualabuse

(3) https://www.counseling.org/docs/disaster-and-trauma sexual-abuse/long-term-effects-of-childhood-sexual-abuse.pdf

(4) https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/long-term-effects-child-sexual-abuse/introduction

(5) http://www.who.int/violenceinjuryprevention/resources/publications/en/guidelines chap7.pdf

The_john_doe(4) Disputed
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"most pedophiles treat. there partner with the most respect possible and would do nothing to harm the child and only preforms actions with the Childs consent"

"So if a child consents to taking heroin is this perfectly OK in your book? What if the adult convinces the child to allow them to surgically remove the child's legs?"

no I do not think that it is ok for a child to do heroin or remove there legs. but there is good reason for that the heroin makes the kid have physical dependence and addiction plus damage to the brain and the leg thing 1st no doctor would do that 2ed it would ruin anyones life regardless.

"if anything society and social stigma causes all the harm to the child"

"No, for one thing paedophiles are more likely to have been the victims of childhood sexual abuse themselves (Source 1), though this is strictly correlational. In addition, a plethora of long term negative effects have been documented on people that were sexually abused as a child (Source 2,3,4,5)."

actual considering that there is a estimate that 1-3 percent of the population is a pedofile and that only 30 present claim to be molested as a child when found out that there a pedo in court most lawyers tell the pedo to say that in order to gain empathy from the judge(this proves that this is faulty) and over 78% of people who where "abused" dont become a pedo

the rest don't need explaining

WinstonC(864) Disputed
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"no I do not think that it is ok for a child to do heroin or remove there legs. but there is good reason for that the heroin makes the kid have physical dependence and addiction plus damage to the brain and the leg thing 1st no doctor would do that 2ed it would ruin anyones life regardless."

So basically the fact that the child consents is irrelevant because it is so harmful to the child. Interesting, you just made my argument for me.

"actual considering that there is a estimate that 1-3 percent of the population is a pedofile and that only 30 present claim to be molested as a child when found out that there a pedo in court most lawyers tell the pedo to say that in order to gain empathy from the judge(this proves that this is faulty) and over 78% of people who where "abused" dont become a pedo"

The participants of study 1 weren't asked in court, they were asked as part of the study. The fact that 22% of people who were abused do become paedophiles which is well above the average (1-3%) by your own figures suggests an interaction between the two variables.

"the rest don't need explaining"

So the fact that childhood sexual abuse is linked to psychopathy, depression, anxiety disorders, eating disorders, insomnia etc. "doesn't need explaining"? I think it's rather obvious I cited these sources in order to demonstrate the harm to the child.

I personally believe that it is ok to be a xenomelian/rapist/masochist/megalomaniac

1.because xenomelians/rapists/masochists/megalomaniacs don't choose to be like young boys/girls

2. most treat. there partner with the most respect possible and would do nothing to harm the child and only preforms actions with(out) the victim's consent

3.if anything society and social stigma causes all the harm to the victims let me explain imagine if you hated a yourself/another but every one considers your desires wrong and it was illegal because people didn't like it (like in the old days with interracial lovers) some one found out about you to he/she go's to prison where they will be beaten and torched for who they love(love in the lunatic world, hate in reality). after that you where told you were a victim that he/she didn't love you that they only wanted you for harm. then you have to go to court and testify against the one you don't know knowing that you are sending them to there doom. They deserved it righ?

4.people argue that its that they can consent I can say if they can't consent to harm then how can they consent to sports(health) not being able to understand the risk, how can they consent to religion(moral foundation) because not even full grown adults understand it, how can they consent to circumcision? just asking?(hmmm not intelligent)

5. Victims are vulnerable beings multiple studies show that victims as young as 3 have harm awareness.

6.some people say that they don't have vulnerability. they do but not the type until fully demonstrated in real life experience. too late

The maker of this debate either did not have parents(dead,separated)/ had alcholic parents/ was reared not trained by parents.

do you agree of disagree put you argument below

FactMachine(414) Disputed
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I personally believe that you deserve to die.

1.because I didn't choose to feel such strong hatred of you, it is occurring naturally from my brain hole.

jeffreyone(1137) Disputed
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Yes so you get. That stupid lame statement "born this way" i didn't choose to be gay/pedophile/rapist/xenomelian/masochist/megalomaniac.

When there is no gay gene or of the above mentioned affirming and differentiating these mental cases from normal humans.

There is not one proof of any biological substance proven to exist in these lunatics alone(special) compelling them to act choiceless.

I have a hunger thirst for killing gays.

That is my attraction. I have rights to satisfy my pleasure. I didn't choose to feel this way. I can get a good lawyer(liar) to prove it well in court and get government to legalise it after a couple protests.

After being legalised i will go for the rest of paddock's guns(las veg. shooter). Because we kinda share similar attractions. We were born this way.

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Assuming you put morality, ethics and our legal system aside, I find this to be the bottom line argument:

Children are not mature enough to make a decision "consent" about whether or not to join in a physical relationship because they are not ready to do so. If the debate was "is a 16 year old mature enough to consent to a physical relationship", I think we could have a healthy debate. The question is not is it wrong or right because I believe it is wrong the the above grounds. The question is what is the correct age for the age of consent. That being said, our society often migrates to the lowest common denominator which in the case of the US is 18 years of age, the same as the voting age... Interestingly enough, children are allowed to drive at the age of 15 with supervision and 16 with additional restrictions. I think the only question is what is the appropriate age of consent.

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pedophilia is evil because it hurts little children for life.

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I agree that it is so, so evil. I have seen the harm it has caused around the world.

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FOLLOWER OF - THE DEAD.

This is the meaning of this Necromancer in the Hebrew Manuscripts.

Three words are used - Following OF The DEAD = Necromancer.

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Perhaps a necromancer is not the right word. But we can look to the Bible and see the meaning of this Hebrew Text

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Perhaps a necromancer is not the right word. But in the Original Hebrew the Deu 18:11 passage describing a NECROMANCER.

This Word NECROMANCER is in HEBREW saying or described as

The Three Hebrew words that in Hebrew that mean NECROMANCER are

Hebrew 1875 דּרשׁ dârash / daw-rash'

Meaning - to follow (for pursuit or search); by implication to seek or ask.

AND

Hebrew 413 אל אל 'êl 'el / ale, el

Meaning -about, after, among, of or unto, or -in).

AND

Hebrew 4191 מוּת mûth / mooth

meaning - The Dead, to die ( dead death, necro [-mancer],

SO ------------ This English word NECROMANCER. - that you see in the KJV Bible. is three Hebrew words.

דּרשׁ dârash -

אל אל 'êl 'el -

מוּת mûth / mooth

These Three words Mean simply Following The Dead.

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TzarPepe(336) Clarified
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Yeah, and pretty much every sexually confused and messed up person I know was sexually abused as a child.

I know a lot of em too.

Kids need to have a defense built up against sexual urges when they are young. If they don't, it could get them and the people around them into trouble when they are older. It can also really effect their love life in a negative way. What comes from a Godly marriage is like medicine to a mentally ill and confused culture.

Sexual immorality? It does more harm to a society psychologically than damn near any other type of morality. It is death from inside. It's nothing to take lightly.

You mock the bible, but I don't believe you have the same understanding of it that I do. It looks to me like you might be superstitious about it. I would encourage you to rethink the matter.

The_john_doe(4) Clarified
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please clarify. this phrase for me. thanks it needs 50 craters so yea

FromWithin(5483) Disputed
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You are the sick Political correct brainwashing Liberals we have in our schools today. We don't send our children to schools to be brainwashed into your sick political correct ideology.

We send them there to be educated in the basics.... math, english, science, etc.

Keep your twisted thinking in your own home.

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We send them there to be educated in the basics.... math, english, science, etc.

But you are a Biblical creationist who doesn't believe in science. All of your posts are emotionally and religiously charged rantings, peppered with choice words like "sick", "brainwashed" and "we" (as if your views somehow represent those of everybody else).