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Did the Holocaust actually happen??

Science says NO!

https://youtu.be/83cgwSdzWLQ

I'd like to see someone debunk this video.

No

Side Score: 58
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Yes

Side Score: 80
2 points

Pardon me.

I am a Jewish person. Not necessarily of Jewish heritage, but I identify, and have identified as a Jew since I was born. This is a very important family value, and has been in my family for generations.

To question the Holocaust is not only rude, rather it is disrespectful and an irresponsible and, quite frankly, inexcusably incompetent practice of historical research.

I say this because I think that simply corroborating your hypothesis with a video of some conspiracy which denies and doubts the tragic mass genocide of 6 million Jews is close minded.

Also, what in bloody hell does science have to do with whether the Holocaust happened or not?

Put as many stupid, disrespectful, and hateful videos up there to "reinforce" your claim, and they will not be watched by me.

Kindly,

Mrcatsam

Side: No
2 points

I am a Jewish person. Not necessarily of Jewish heritage, but I identify, and have identified as a Jew since I was born. This is a very important family value, and has been in my family for generations.

There is no such thing as Jewish heritage you ignorant, brainwashed twerp. Judaism is a monotheistic religion, not a fucking race. What would you think if someone claimed to be of Christian or Islamic heritage? You would think they were an idiot, right? SO FIX YOUR FUCKING CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS.

To question the Holocaust is not only rude, rather it is disrespectful and an irresponsible and, quite frankly, inexcusably incompetent practice of historical research.

Go fuck yourself. Emotional blackmail is not evidence that the Holocaust happened.

I say this because I think that simply corroborating your hypothesis with a video of some conspiracy which denies and doubts the tragic mass genocide of 6 million Jews is close minded.

Now you are trying to bully and insult other people into sharing your opinion. When people do not agree with your ill-evidenced opinion then this does not make them close-minded. You actually legitimise Holocaust denial when you try to make people feel bad instead of producing some fucking evidence that what you are saying is true. Indeed, many historians have raised doubt about the figure of 6 million, and mathematical probability alone stipulates that it was not exactly 6 million. Yet you have absolutely no problem attacking anybody for questioning this obvious myth.

Side: Yes
Mingiwuwu(762) Clarified
2 points

There is such a thing as Jewish heritage, you just don't know about it.

Side: No
maximvs(10) Disputed
1 point

To question the Holocaust is not rude, or irresponsible, just the opposite. It is responsible to question everything, and should be a duty for every citizen. Open your mind and try to listen with an impartial mind. I realize this is an emotional issue, and you should realize that your emotion clouds your judgement on this issue.

Before I start, consider this Mr. Catsam: the winner writes the history books. If Germany had won the war, our children would learn that Jews are evil, how they fucked Germany over in WWI, and Hitler would be the good guy.

Also consider that if you do not know the other side of the argument, how do you know it is wrong? Every story has THREE sides: your side, my side, and the truth. You need to hear and evaluate all evidence for all three sides to arrive at the truth. You CANNOT only listen to one side and declare it true. You have only heard one side.

Lastly, consider how you know that the Holocaust happened, or rather, why do you believe the Holocaust happened? And how do you know the Holocaust happened? You know, or think you know, because you were told, you were not there. You were told, or read about it, or saw it on TV or in a bullshit movie, and you believed what you were told because you were young and impressionable and were led to believe that your sources of information would not lie to you. REALIZE that everything you think you know about the Holocaust comes from pure hearsay.

You cannot say the video is wrong without even watching it. Science has everything to do with proving the Holocaust happened. How is anything proved in court? Scientific methods like DNA evidence. If you watch the video, you will see how science shows the Holocaust did not happen. I won't go through the evidence here, but I will point out the smoking gun - to me - that the Holocaust did not happen. Did you know that the death toll at Auschwitz was reduced by 3 million jews?? Yes, after the Berlin Wall came down in 1990, Russian records showed the original death toll of 4 million to be FALSE. A LIE perpetrated by the Russians. The plaque at Auschwitz was even changed : https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/jewish-estimate-sees-number-of-holocaust-dead-drop-to-2-8-million/

But did the Jews revise the 6 million figure? No, because the 6 million number was made up from the beginning.

At the very least, this should AT LEAST make you curious. This is verified FACT. You cannot just ignore this, you need to address it and debunk it if you can.

Side: Yes
mrcatsam(487) Disputed
1 point

I realize this is an emotional issue, and you should realize that your emotion clouds your judgement on this issue.

Yes, it most certainly does. Now let me ask you an honest question:

Do you believe the Holocaust happened, do you believe it didn't happen, or are you looking for the truth and you don't care which is true?

Side: No
maximvs(10) Disputed
1 point

And I think it inexcusably incompetent to accept what you are told without questioning anything and verifying the truth of what you are told. It is also inexcusably ignorant to assume hearing only one side of a story is enough to arrive at the truth.

And you are not playing fair. You cannot label a video stupid, disrespectful, hateful or anything really without looking at it. If you want to debate this, great, but that requires actually listening and making an attempt to understand my side of the story, which you have not done. If you cannot listen with an open mind, impartial and unbiased, then please don't waste my time. I am looking for someone to debunk the evidence in that video. Just telling me you won't watch the video is not constructive at all. Why even post??

Side: Yes
outlaw60(11883) Disputed
1 point

U are a JEW ?????????? Got some proof of that ???????????????????

Side: Yes
0 points

I think you posted on the wrong side.

Side: Yes
1 point
Supporting Evidence: Holocaust v. Science (youtu.be)
Side: No
1 point

Witness the 6 million number being used since the 19th century in news stories about persecuted Jews.

At 17:31, a Holocaust survivor is caught red-handed lying about the Holocaust.

Supporting Evidence: 6 Million Lies (youtu.be)
Side: No

I think it should be revised. It’s exaggerated for a purpose.

Side: No
excon(6690) Disputed
2 points

I think it should be revised. It’s exaggerated for a purpose.

Hello S,

Ok. Let’s say you only murdered 3 million Jews. Is that better??

excon

Side: Yes
maximvs(10) Disputed
1 point

YES, of course it is better. You really have to ask that question?? Is it better to murder 3 million than 6 million? YES, are you saying there is no difference??

AND, we are not talking about millions of jews killed, the Red Cross estimates Jewish death toll at Auschwitz at 270,000. This means that there was no Final Solution and the Nazis did not plan to kill all the Jews. EVERYTHING we think we know about Nazi Germany are lies and propaganda. Wartime propaganda does not stop with the war.

I am hoping to get some people to question history and do your OWN PERSONAL research to arrive at your own conclusion.

Side: No
maximvs(10) Disputed
1 point

Yes, and the purpose of LYING (not exaggerating, it's pure lies) is justification for Germany paying reparations to Israel and Holocaust survivors to THIS DAY.

Side: Yes

Another ConservaNomsi antisemitic thread. He is faker than fake, and a phony fraud.

Side: Yes
maximvs(10) Disputed
2 points

Why is it anti-Semitic to be after the truth??

You have been brainwashed into thinking that any attach on the Holocaust is anti-Semitic because the Jewish media has trained people to believe that. Notice how Jews will NEVER debate anyone on this subject?? It's because they cannot win a debate.

Did you know about this? https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/jewish-estimate-sees-number-of-holocaust-dead-drop-to-2-8-million/

So it has been PROVEN that 6 million Jews were not killed during a Holocaust, it was much less. How can you possibly defend this???

Side: No
5 points

I couldn't care less how many it was. People were still starved and thrown into furnaces. The libs go crazy over kids being seperated from parents at the border, but burning kids in furnaces is okay. Why? It was less kids than we previously thought...

https://youtu.be/XVSRm80WzZk

Side: Yes
maximvs(10) Disputed
1 point

You presented no evidence to support your claim. And you are just another brainwashed sheep believing what you are told instead of finding out for yourself. It is not anti-Semitic to pursue the truth. This is more bullshit created by the Jews who own the media to help perpetuate the lies. I bet you don't even know the Holocaust denier's reasons, evidence and arguments that PROVE the Holocaust did not happen. So how do you know they are wrong?

Side: No
5 points

This is more bullshit created by the Jews who own the media to help perpetuate the lies

George Soros owns the media and is an anti Jewish, far left wing Communist...

https://www.mrc.org/commentary/soros-spends-over-48-million-funding-media-organizations

"Open Society Foundations (OSF), formerly the Open Society Institute, is an international grantmaking network founded by business magnate George Soros.[2] Open Society Foundations financially support civil society groups around the world, with a stated aim of advancing justice, education, public health and independent media."

Endowment

$19,590,570,302

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSocietyFoundations

Side: Yes
maximvs(10) Disputed
1 point

So you present no evidence and make no argument? You've shown nothing and exhibited a complete lack of the capacity for intellectual debate. Please refrain from posting nonsense that just wastes time.

Side: No
5 points

Fake. Faaaaaaaaaaake......faaaaaaaaaaake. and a little more faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake...

Side: Yes
2 points

There is absolutely no reason to deny that it happened.

There is no way to fake the bodies and camps, let alone multitude of survivors speaking of the truth.

Side: Yes
outlaw60(11883) Clarified
1 point

Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

54 percent.

This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources. But that figure speaks to only those who have heard of it: Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

Seventy years after the liberation of Auschwitz, two-thirds of the world's population don't know the Holocaust happened—or they deny it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/05/the-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

Side: No
1 point

This is like a smoking gun. And I'm willing to bet that in those countries where they don't know of the Holocaust, the Jews do not have any influence.

Side: Yes
Mingiwuwu(762) Clarified
0 points

I do not care what you think, you inbred Neo Nazi scumbag, you sicken me with your putrid views.

Side: No
1 point

There is absolutely no reason to deny that it happened.

That isn't the way burden of proof works mate.

There is no way to fake the bodies and camps

Oh shut up you moron. In the 1990s America was pulled into the Bosnian conflict because of a staged massacre where Serbs simply dumped a load of bodies in a field. No way to fake the bodies? Are you retarded? The Nazis killed everybody who wasn't a Nazi. They especially liked killing Communists, and most of the Jews killed by Hitler also happened to be, you guessed it, Communists.

let alone multitude of survivors speaking of the truth.

How the fuck do you know they are speaking the truth? Are all the people who claim to have seen bigfoot or aliens telling the truth too?

You're basically just reaffirming your own biased opinion which I am willing to wager is founded on absolutely nothing except your insane political beliefs.

Side: No
5 points

They especially liked killing Communists, and most of the Jews killed by Hitler also happened to be, you guessed it, Communists.

While you claim Jews are zionist, imperialist, capitalist Nazis themselves. You never tire of being a fake, a fraud and a liar eh Nom?

Side: Yes
Mingiwuwu(762) Clarified
3 points

I'm unsure how you explained why you think it didn't happen. Just because they killed Communists doesn't mean the Holocaust didn't happen.

Side: No
1 point

No way to fake the bodies? Are you retarded?

So you're a holocaust denier now, and you think I'M a conspiracy theorist? What's next, 9/11 was an inside job?

They especially liked killing Communists, and most of the Jews killed by Hitler also happened to be, you guessed it, Communists.

So Nom (you) really is/are an antisemitic communist. Why else would you claim that Hitler only killed Jews who where communist? You are an antisemitic communist who doesn't want to be associated with Nazis so you claim they weren't actually antisemitic despite the countless propaganda pieces claiming jews are subhuman.

How the fuck do you know they are speaking the truth? Are all the people who claim to have seen bigfoot or aliens telling the truth too?

In the case of bigfoot and UFOs most of those people aren't actually lying, they are just stupid. But the people speaking about the holocaust are not retarded rednecks drinking moonshine and doing peyote in the woods nor are they people on the history channel with hair like a gorilla's butt crack stretching the truth to make money. They are people who's families died and who saw there people persecuted and systematically de-humanized as evidenced by the piles of dead bodies and the stacks of anti-jew propaganda and the recorded speeches of Hitler himself talking about killing the jews and how evil and subhuman jews are.

Side: Yes
1 point

Here is a Holocaust survivor caught lying about the Holocaust red-handed starting at 17:31: https://youtu.be/iJfAHRkeNLE

Side: No
outlaw60(11883) Disputed
0 points

What proof of burden are you opposing ????????????

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/5/egypt-party-leader-holocaust-is-a-lie/

You have opposition to an Egyptian Leader ???????????

Side: Yes
maximvs(10) Disputed
1 point

No reason?? How do you know?? Do you know the Holocaust Denier side of the story?? No?? Then how do you know that it is wrong?? The wise man knows that there are three sides to every story, your side, my side and the truth. You need all evidence from all sides to get to the truth, in ANY situation, even in what they teach you at school. QUESTION EVERYTHING!!!

You first have to realize that everything you think you know about the Holocaust, you were told. You were not there, you cannot say with 100rtainty that it happened.

Second, there is the BIGGEST reason to lie, MONEY!!! Especially to the Jew...Germany pays reparations to Holocaust survivors to this day, AND Germany has to pay money to Israel FOREVER. Did you know that?? Jews don't want everyone to know because then we would see the motivation for lying.

And what bodies and camps are you talking about?? You are not playing fair if you did not watch the video, it explains how your survivors are actually lying. And did you know that there is NO DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE of the Holocaust?? Not one piece of paper, NOTHING in writing.

And did you know that the Holocaust is not even part of the history books in Asia?? Don't you think that is a HUGE red flag??

Side: No
Mingiwuwu(762) Clarified
1 point

There is tons of documented evidence. What he, on paper, legislated were 'camps' that were made out to be humane.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007271

Side: No
maximvs(10) Disputed
1 point

What bodies??? There weren't anything even close to 6 million. This is why the Jews made up the BS about gassing and cremating. It's the only way they can claim 6 million dead in 5 short years. And as for the camps, they can DEFINITELY be faked and ARE. This is why I post videos, if you watch them, you will see the deceptions. The camps existed, no question, but they were NOT death camps. There were no gas chambers, and Jews were sent there to work, not to die.

Side: No
Mingiwuwu(762) Clarified
1 point

I will not react to your trolling.the problem with this conspiracy theory is the level of psychopathy you're showing.

Side: No
1 point

I say you're a piece of shit.

Side: Yes
maximvs(10) Clarified
0 points

Who is a piece of shit? Are you talking to me?? You must be talking to me because there's no one else here.

Side: No
1 point

I think there is enough proof to prove it did happen.It was inhuman but now we should look ahead and focus on the coming time.

Side: Yes
maximvs(10) Disputed
1 point

You do?? What proof is that?? Did you know that there isn't any?? Other than eyewitness stories, there is NO EVIDENCE the Holocaust happened, not one document, no photos of gas chambers. Did you know that??

You THINK there is a lot of evidence because you have been lied to. When you watch a documentary, they lie when they show you an image of Typhus victims and tell you that it's a picture of ordinary prisoners.

Did you know about this? Why is it anti-Semitic to be after the truth??

You have been brainwashed into thinking that any attach on the Holocaust is anti-Semitic because the Jewish media has trained people to believe that. Notice how Jews will NEVER debate anyone on this subject?? It's because they cannot win a debate.

Did you know about this? https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/jewish-estimate-sees-number-of-holocaust-dead-drop-to-2-8-million/

So it has been PROVEN that 6 million Jews were not killed during a Holocaust, it was much less. How can you possibly defend this???

Side: No
Mint_tea(3307) Disputed
1 point

I can't tell if you're serious or not, or if you're just rolling with something ridiculous for attention. Eyewitness stories gives a lot of credence and there IS evidence that the holocaust happened. I've been to Auschwitz, I've seen the video's, letters, tattoo's, shoes and the like. So tell me, if you really want to believe it didn't happen, why would they make that up?

You don't even have to answer that because if you believe people saying it didn't happen over the actual victims and ALL of the evidence that it did, then you are the brainwashed one.

One of the many sad things is, as the last of the survivors die out, people like you will only get louder.

Side: Yes
maximvs(10) Disputed
1 point

You provide none of said "proof" and do not provide any references to support your claim. Did you know that there isn't ANY documentary evidence showing The Final Solution. Not one written order was issued in connection with the Jews. So, what proof do we have? Hearsay evidence, and some pictures and videos that we are TOLD depict the deplorable conditions at the camps and how malnourished the prisoners were. But what if you found out that all the pictures and videos of malnourished prisoners were sick with Typhus in a quarantine section. Typhus eats away at the body and leaves the patient emaciated before his death. THAT is why you see mass graves with bulldozers pushing emaciated bodies into the earth. But don't take my word for it, research for yourself.

Side: No
excon(6690) Disputed
1 point

Hello hater,

Dude! We get it. You hate the Jews. How original of you?

excon

Side: Yes

I think National Socialism would be a respectable system if Hitler had just sent the Jews to Madagascar- which was a legit proposal. How ever many he killed was just too far and lost respect of a leader who was very intelligent otherwise. Hitler was correct that war thinned the population because now the earth is ravaged by humans.

But hey Jews, don’t lie and say you fuckers are not racist and elitist. You Jews believe you are the chosen and superior. And then you wonder why other groups hate you. You are no different than white supremacy..

You gonna deny the Goyim topic???? Really??

Side: Yes
DarkWanderer(292) Clarified
1 point

I think National Socialism would be a respectable system if Hitler had just sent the Jews to Madagascar

LOL

But hey Jews, don’t lie and say you fuckers are not racist and elitist. You Jews believe you are the chosen and superior.

Yeah I don't like that about judaism, it is the only major world religion that actually claims a specific race is chosen by God to rule the earth. The funny part is that the "chosen people" are the Hebrew Isaelites, an ethnic group that no longer technically exists. So all the people who practice judaism or believe they are ethnically jewish are actually associating themselves with a religion/culture that says their race is meant to be enslaved by an extinct middle eastern tribe which they have little connection to genetically if any at all.

Side: No
0 points

Hello antisemite:

In the same way I'm pleased that Outlaw is here, I'm also pleased at your presence..

excon

Side: Yes
outlaw60(11883) Disputed
2 points

https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/03/politics/ haim-saban-keith-ellison-anti-semite/index.html

Antisemitism is alive and well in the DNC Con and you cannot deny it or make it an arguable point.

Prominent Democratic donor Haim Saban described Rep. Keith Ellison, who is running to head the Democratic National Committee, as an "anti-Semite."

Saban, who gave millions to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, spoke about Ellison at the Brooking Institution's Saban Forum, an annual gathering between American and Israeli political leaders, during a question-and-answer portion of a conversation with Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman and moderated by CNN's Jake Tapper.

"If you go back to his positions, his papers, his speeches, the way he has voted, he is clearly an anti-Semite and anti-Israel individual," the Israeli-American said Friday about the Minnesota lawmaker. "Words matter and actions matter more. Keith Ellison would be a disaster for the relationship between the Jewish community and the Democratic Party."

Side: No
maximvs(10) Clarified
1 point

This is totally irrelevant, please stay on topic. Thank you.

Side: No
1 point

Anti-Semitism is alive and well because of stuff like the HoloHOAX. The Jews are easy to hate.

Side: No
maximvs(10) Disputed
2 points

Why is it anti-Semitic to be after the truth??

You have been brainwashed into thinking that any attach on the Holocaust is anti-Semitic because the Jewish media has trained people to believe that. Notice how Jews will NEVER debate anyone on this subject?? It's because they cannot win a debate.

Did you know about this? https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/jewish-estimate-sees-number-of-holocaust-dead-drop-to-2-8-million/

So it has been PROVEN that 6 million Jews were not killed during a Holocaust, it was much less. How can you possibly defend this???

Side: No