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Christians (incl. Catholicism) Mohammedans (incl. Wahhabism)
Debate Score:66
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Historically Speaking, Which Is the More Violent Religion

This is gonna be fun ;)

Christians (incl. Catholicism)

Side Score: 40
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Mohammedans (incl. Wahhabism)

Side Score: 26
2 points

lol. I might previously have cut the Christians a break on the basis that the New Testament is more about peace and love and tolerance, but the Christian-boosters on this site have shouted me down basically insisting the New Testament is lots of fire and brimstone and do it or else wham-o! So if I then accept the New Testament is fire and brimstone, and combine that with the historical record of Crusades, Inquisitions, Conquistador Missionaries, and even the more local contemporary pressures which I feel more often from the evangelical Christians I know than the Muslims I know (and yes I do know Muslims, through work in the city), then I'd have to say all in all the Christian religion is the more violent.

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)

What an interesting question.

I think Catholism is far more violent.

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)

I honestly want to know why people think this. I already know about the other side.

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
SlapShot(2608) Clarified
2 points

You honestly want to know why we people think what, Spike?

Why we think Christianity has a long and bloody and murderously cruel list of atrocities in its wake?

Because they do.

We don't think. We know.

At least those of us who study history and comparative religions.

Here is a partial list of Christian atrocities for you to peruse......

http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

Hey Spike.....

If you want to know why many of us think (know) that the Catholic Church is one of the most loathsome and evil institutions in the history of the world...here's a nice little list of just a few of some real sweetheart Popes.

Enjoy!

http://listverse.com/2007/08/17/top-10-most-wicked-popes/

Side: Mohammedans (incl. Wahhabism)
LadyLinkstar(415) Clarified
1 point

Thanks ! Just so you know, I am not Catholic .

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
1 point

Are we counting the Hebrews of the early Bible stories because they were just going from city to city killing everything and everyone. You should have put the Hebrews in as a separate category as in the early days of written history they killed anyone who they perceived as different.

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)

They're all nasty if ruled as a theocracy, but Islam is off the charts with its baseness and how it elevates a pedophile to the status of prophet and considers him the "perfect man", a man who pioneered the concept of thighing.

See thighing here:

Supporting Evidence: Mohammad and Thighing (www.facebook.com)
Side: Mohammedans (incl. Wahhabism)
2 points

because they kill for fun and are the hittler religion also they burn people.on the other hand christans dont kill

Side: Mohammedans (incl. Wahhabism)
smilinbobs(590) Disputed
1 point

Since Christians don't kill that would explain why the USA is made up of mostly Christians through history and were so proficient at killing that we were and are the most feared nation when it comes to military prowess. Our Christian nation is the only nation to ever use an atomic bomb to kill 100,000 of people all at once. Good thing Christians don't Kill, LOL

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)

The most violent of religions in our history is humanism. In it's lifting up of man as being his own God, this sick religion has supported murdering tens of millions of unborn Babies, simply to eliminate a so called burden created by their own choices.

Side: Mohammedans (incl. Wahhabism)
Firnen Clarified
1 point

Where as the Christian God has killed millions of born babies yet you seem to have no issues with that.

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
0 points

If God killed any born babies, it was done so to stop evil and save multiples millions of future babies. I don't argue with God for what he does, he created us all, he can take our lives if he deems necessary.

I am arguing with complete hypocrites who deny the halocaust of babies here and now today when they pretend to be the compassionate ones.

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
1 point

Attached is a pretty interesting article.

Honestly, I never gave the crusades that much thought. I accepted the Crusades were a Christian/Catholic dark time in history that I didn't know much about.

But it occurred to me.

Maybe it was greed, or a display of self righteous bullying by the west, Or maybe

something more.

What started this intense western focus and involvement to begin with that signaled out these Muslim occupied areas during the crusades?

There's always 2 sides to a story.

1 side one of this story of Crusades is ignored.

Not to excuse the outcome or behavior of the west, but, still note worthy.

The Christians elevation to the level of brutal force as described during history of the crusades was not standard behavior, and not characteristic of Christian conversions, with possibly some indepenent extremist, but still, overall, not "characteristic" of Christian conversions.

In contrast, Islam growth is characteristic of brutal force, demanding conversions, and threatening western civilization, their way of life, along with their religious beliefs.

Is it possible, at least initially and for some part of the crusades, that western aggression began as a defensive reaction in order to combat the threat of brutal violent takeover in neighboring countries, with threats growing against western religious beliefs?

And, is this is even more applicable in todays current climate when comparing the radicalization of Islam vs the radicalization of other religions

Two wrongs don't make a right;

But also,

What came 1st? The chicken or the egg?

Supporting Evidence: History of Muslim Warfare at the Time of The Crusades (www.answering-islam.org)
Side: Mohammedans (incl. Wahhabism)
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

You don't seem to realize that the "west" you are referring to was anything east of Portugal and west of what is now Iran, Iraq and Syria and north of Africa as far as the Crusades is concerned. (i.e. Europe) Much of which had been "taken over" earlier BY these eastern countries! East took over west, west drove them out and tried to take over east, now east AND west are at it again! Will be until one religion kills off the other ....or they blow up the world trying!

Until religions are discarded, there will ALWAYS be "two sides to the story"! Fighting over the same "god", because MAN wrote different versions of "HIS WORD" (to facilitate power over the masses)! BOTH lean on the 'Alleged teachings" of Jesus, both disagree on what HE was, what HE said. HE is the most important in Christianity, the second most important in Islam. The "Son of God" in Christianity, a prophet in Islam! (meaning "God and Allah are one and the same)! It's the man made doctrine that differs, and until this is discarded as trouble making trash, the trouble will continue, as before, for century after century after century!

James Madison wrote: "During 15 centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been the fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indulgence in the clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity. In both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." The other side has done no better! Religion causes us to hate others we would normally NOT hate! They have failed to bring peace, they are the largest causes of death the world has ever seen.

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
-2 points
Harvard(666) Disputed
2 points

The first part of your statement is erroneous: atheism, in under no linguistic interpretation of the word, is not, cannot, and never will be a 'religion'.

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
dadman(1703) Disputed
1 point

IDEOLOGY IS IDEOLOGY (call it a religion or not) ... no matter the equation ... no escape for you

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Three of the most heinous and barbaric ideologies ..

which produced the greatest cruelties and violations of humanity in the 20th century ..

were fascism .. Nazism and communism . . . .

all secular (non-religious / atheistic foundations)

Side: Mohammedans (incl. Wahhabism)
AveSatanas(4443) Disputed
2 points

Yeah all those Atheist wars were so bloody and violent. When the atheists crusaded to retake the unholy land, that was just awful. When the church of atheism subjugated all the believers and beheaded anyone who opposed their rule that was just terrible. When atheisms holy doctrine was used to justify things like slavery in the american south that was horrible.

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
1 point

"When atheisms holy doctrine was used to justify things like slavery in the american south that was horrible"

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INDEED .... it's the atheist that views man as an 'evolving' animal ... subjugating the "lower" species (Black man)

it was the doctrines of Christianity that liberated the black slave

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
dadman(1703) Disputed
1 point
Side: Mohammedans (incl. Wahhabism)
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

The Nazis weren't secular. Epic fail. Go back to your lame blog to push your bullshit.

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
dadman(1703) Disputed
1 point

so what .... Nazis were not christian .... pull your head out :)

Side: Mohammedans (incl. Wahhabism)
1 point

Why are you so insecure regarding atheism?

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
dadman(1703) Disputed
1 point

shoot .... I couldn't care less about atheism .... capitol pffft !!

Side: Mohammedans (incl. Wahhabism)
1 point

Atheism isn't a religion, and the rest of your post is irrelevant to the point :P

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
LadyLinkstar(415) Clarified
1 point

If only Atheism was a religion .

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
dadman(1703) Disputed
1 point

I believe atheists are more militantly religious about what they believe that most so-called "Christians"

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
Pantagruel(984) Disputed
1 point

What is with you and multiple periods?

Improper writing does not improve the truthfulness or legitimacy of your writing.

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

"Multiple periods" is a pause, hopefully, time to think...... Some of us write with feeling....some of us just....write.

Side: Christians (incl. Catholicism)