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John 3:36



He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Everlasting life

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Amen brother.

Side: Everlasting life
1 point

Sorry. Is there a modern English translation? I don't understand.

Side: Wrath of God
Eloy(195) Clarified
1 point

I understand the early 17th century English right enough but I do not understand why a god of love in whom Christians purport to believe would torture people who are unpersuaded of his existence. And why even say such a ghastly thing; to frighten unbelievers? Hardly, since they consider such a threat as bogus to begin with. Or maybe to encourage feelings of being special in those who are believers? Odd, that those who are already blessed need to also believe that others will suffer, not them. Or just maybe it is to stir fear in believers who are tempted to become apostates? Yes, that fits better.

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
2 points

God loves justice as He is good and could not be good if He did not condemn evil. You cannot expect God to love evil. God remains as He is, loving, while He condemns evil. It is good to know that God hates evil and will purge creation of sin, and will forever separate sinners dying from those who trust and obey Him in life.

You are confused because you are trying to justify your sin and it is not possible to justify sin...you cannot justify your life, you have sinned against God and deserve His punishment. He proves His love for you in that He gave His Son to die for you, for your sins, so that if you will repent of your sin and receive His Son by faith as He is, the Living God who conquered death, your Savior, you will have His forgiveness rather than what you have now...His wrath against your sin, for your refusal to believe on His Son whom He gave for you. He died for you, even though you were against Him as a sinner, He died for His enemies...there is no greater love. If you will not believe, you will die for yourself and pay for your own sins in the fire of Hell and that is JUSTICE and it is good (not good for you, of course, if you will not believe). You will never know the love of God if you will not believe on His Son.

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

Why would God mock you and laugh at you?

Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:

She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,

How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:

They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

Why do sinners always try to paint God as being evil for torturing people? It is you who tortured Him with your sin, and He endured your torture because He loved you so much......so much that He spread out His arms for you and died on the cross, paid your price, the Innocent One died for the guilty which is you............

If you don't care what He did for you, how can you expect Him to care for you if you are frying like an eternal sausage in eternal dying in Hell?

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

God says He will laugh at you, mock you....did you read that?

Hear it is in shorter form, since by your own admission you have difficulty paying attention.

Because I (God, named here as "wisdom", personification of God the Holy Spirt) have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:

They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

You ask because you are frustrated under God's wrath which you heap up against yourself by continuing in sin.

Side: Everlasting life
Atrag(5323) Clarified
1 point

Well to be fair that usually is the reason why people ask for a translation to a language they understand yeah. Pillock.

Side: Everlasting life
1 point

Of all the scriptures you chose one written by an author who was not contemporary to the life of Christ and now want to dwell on those words as if the author magically heard them directly from Christ's mouth...

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/new-testament/gospel-of-john-commentary-who-wrote-the-gospel-of-john-and-how-historical-is-it/

Side: Wrath of God
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

I checked out the site you referenced, and no surprise it is not a Christian website. Any site which upholds "scholars" who try to trash the deity and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ are not Christian.....they are anti-Christ.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Side: Everlasting life
Grenache(5649) Disputed Banned
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I challenged the legitimacy of the book of John itself, and I used a source believing in Christianity, and the best you could do is repost from the book of John.

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

Anybody with an attitude like yours will believe anything but the truth. We all deserve to die and burn in Hell for our sins, God took our sins on Himself when He became a man, the Son of God sent by the Father, to die for us so His justice is satisfied by the blood of the Innocent One who could not be held by death.....as death is holding you and pulling you down to Hell and the Risen Savior who would bring you out of it is your only hope and you proudly refuse to believe on Him so your blood is on your own head and if you need proof that you are not good enough to exist outside of the fire of Hell you surely have it coming.

That's enough out of you. Please do not post here again. I am asking nice, if you post again I am going to ban you and you can insult me until you are blue in the face if it makes you feel better.

Side: Everlasting life
Grenache(5649) Disputed Banned
0 points

Pay attention. I posted a scholarly review of the book of John by Biblical Archeology. Those are true believers and true Bible scholars. You ignored it, simply reposted more from John, and then have the nerve to tell me I don't belong in this debate.

Go ahead and ban me now. You've already revealed you're either a complete fraud or a careless idiot.

And look, I didn't even have to get blue in the face. You make this easy.

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

The sight of your wine glass is irritating. Why don't you go talk to God and tell Him how good you are and see if He feels like He owes you something.

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Of course you don't want to think about what John 3:36 says, because you know it says you are doomed to fry like an eternal sausage in Hell where sin belongs, sinner.

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

Thank you for opening the door for me to preach...i love preaching.

Side: Everlasting life
1 point

Prove it .

Side: Wrath of God
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
2 points

1. My faith has found a resting place,

Not in device nor creed;

I trust the Ever-living One,

His wounds for me shall plead.

I need no other argument,

I need no other plea,

It is enough that Jesus died,

And that He died for me.

2.

Enough for me that Jesus saves,

This ends my fear and doubt;

A sinful soul I come to Him,

He’ll never cast me out.

I need no other argument,

I need no other plea,

It is enough that Jesus died,

And that He died for me.

3. My heart is leaning on the Word,

The living Word of God,

Salvation by my Savior’s name,

Salvation through His blood.

I need no other argument,

I need no other plea,

It is enough that Jesus died,

And that He died for me.

4. My great Physician heals the sick,

The lost He came to save;

For me His precious blood He shed,

For me His life He gave.

I need no other argument,

I need no other plea,

It is enough that Jesus died,

And that He died for me.

Side: Everlasting life
AveSatanas(4247) Clarified Banned
1 point

Cute .

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

Make me .

Side: Everlasting life
AveSatanas(4247) Disputed Banned
1 point

If you dont then its just an empty assertion that nobody has to take seriously. And i dont take it seriously .

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

You've been gone a while, where have you been ?

Side: Everlasting life
AveSatanas(4247) Clarified Banned
1 point

Bathing in the blood of the innocent .

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:

They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

Side: Everlasting life
1 point

Numbers 31:9-20

What do you think of this passage of the Bible?

Side: Wrath of God
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
2 points

I think it belongs in a different debate. Why don't you go and create it?

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
2 points

It was given as law for the Jews after they were delivered from being slaves in Egypt. If Israel had kept the law given to them by God, they would never have lost their nation.

You might want to read the Bible, for the most part it is chronologically ordered. It gives a detailed history and a detailed portrayal of future events near, in, and after the end of days. Then you won't have to ask questions which you can easily find for yourself in the Bible....

This topic did not belong in this debate, that is why you got banned....and anybody who tries to keep this sidetrack going will be banned. Why don't make your own discussion about Numbers 31:9-20, and see if you can learn something....but you can learn better by applying yourself to reading and comprehension of the Bible.

Side: Everlasting life
AlofRI(1871) Banned
0 points

The wrath of GOD abideth on Puerto Ricans, many "God fearing" in California, in Houston, in a S.C. church, in Vegas, and it looks like all over America as the "Righteous" turn their "well regulated militia" loose on their friends and family! Will GOD intervene? Why, he hasn't YET!

John, wherefore the hell art thou!??

Side: Wrath of God
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

So you think you have authority to ask stupid questions in the name of Hell. I think you are on your way to Hell, and any authority you have is being lost and will be gone forever. I think we had enough out of you here. Thank you for your contribution.

John 3:36

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

I didn't read your post before as I knew it would be something off the wall and stupid. Now I see that you used "hell" as a cuss word, so you are banned. If you don't get saved, God will get tired of you and you will be banished away from the living forever dying in the fire of Hell.

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

God is there, and keeping record of everything you say, think, or do in every moment of your time. Your judgement day is coming and you will see if you are as good as God like you think you are.

John 3:36

Side: Everlasting life
NowASaint(1314) Clarified
1 point

You forgot to mention your parents and your uncles and aunts.

Side: Everlasting life