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We do need guns in America. Violent crime is a matter of heart. If you take away guns, you simply take away the great equalizer in a violent situation and have made the victims defenseless.
yes, violence is a matter of the heart. but if you add guns to the mix, people die. your argument is that because there are naturally violent situations without guns, we should leave them in the hands of said violent people. that, brontoraptor, is stupid and i hope you are joking
But people would get killed anyway, but only in an even less humane way, like with a knife, sword, or chainsaw. And on Chronicles of Riddick, a man was killed with a teacup.
"We need guns because we're an inherently violent and barbaric society that preys on each other."
Though, in reality how much crime is made easier by the ease of access to weapons
End of the day, two people with guns doesn't result in no bodies, it just guarantees one. Even police in the U.S. can't even relax because every second citizen could be strapped, which might be why they're so quick to unload the trigger in tense situations.
Your point is just incomprehensible.
Trolling is supposed to annoy people. You're just making yourself look silly.
"We need guns because we're an inherently violent and barbaric society that preys on each other."
No. We, the innocent, don't need our guns taken away because foreigners come in and are armed and uncivil. Most gun deaths in America are gang related, and the gangs are never composed of "the innocent", and rarely if almost never have traditional white Americans in them. Why would you disarm us because of what they do, knowing full well they'll have guns anyway? All you've done is disarmed the innocent and made them vulnerable. So tell us what that would logically accomplishes. You can't because it isn't logical and accomplishes nothing.
Classic deflection. How many terrorist attacks/mass shootings in the past 15 years were non-U.S. citizens compared to U.S. citizens?
Your argument is absolute rubbish. Maybe you should return to school (If you ever even attended) because critical thinking is clearly NOT your forte, as much as you like to make it seem so.
Maybe you should return to school (If you ever even attended) because critical thinking is clearly NOT your forte, as much as you like to make it seem so.
You're still yet to make a point that I couldn't knock down with basic, common sense.
Violent crime is often a matter of douche bags with no heart or integrity or common sense having too easy access to guns. Ask any cop. We need less guns. All the countries with stricter gun control than us have less crime. This is not a difficult concept to grasp, even for a moron like you.
Twice this year, Parisians have witnessed attackers armed with high-powered assault weapons—the kind outlawed in France—run down Paris’s grand boulevards and unleash a bloodbath upon the City of Light. “How do these people arrive here?” asked Florent Vigneux, 26, a physiotherapist, standing stunned in the Place de la République, two days after the Nov. 13 attack. “What can our government do?”
The fear and confusion after January’s Charlie Hebdo attacks over how military-grade weapons made their way into the French capital has only worsened since the massacre on Nov. 13 carried out by ISIS supporters, which left 130 dead and injured some 350 more. In the wake of the latest attacks, fear only intensified—speaking to the French Parliament on Nov.19, Prime Minister Manuel Valls also warned that ISIS could use biological or chemical weapons to attack France. “We must not rule anything out.”
Yet it was not bombs or chemical or radioactive weapons that caused so much death and destruction, but comparatively simple rifles and assault weapons, tools of war that have already left their mark on France, and the rest of Europe.
So how well are the strict gun laws working in France Wanker !
This is just a straight up falsehood. Look up here in Canada, less guns and significantly less violence.
Windsor compared to Detroit is a comparison that many should look at when discussing gun laws. One city has almost 0 homicides and the other had one of the highest murder rates in the U.S..
Before you state something, at least have some sort of foundation for your claim as opposed to creating alternative facts at will.
That's because you don't let as many immigrabts from third world countries into Canada. If you go to somewhere like Edmond, Oklahoma there is hardly any crime, or any immigrants.
Canada has no violence because no one lives in Canada. Import enough Muslims and we can change your stats, replace your culture, and advertise the new "Northern Canada Polar Bear burka".
Per Capita rates are still dramatically better. Do you have any other empty claims that you'd like to have struck down or have you made yourself look idiotic enough for today?
You didn't strike anything down. You need links and sources to "strike down". Random assertions are meaningless. So go ahead. Show us the links and sources.
Sure. Tell us why if most gun deaths are by gangs, and gangs are predominantly minority, why peaceful whites and Native Americans should be forced to disarm.
And a big part of the violence in America is that Mexicans flood in by the millions and create gangs. If you cut out gang violence and suicides, our gun to death rate plummets. You should learn from our poor immigration policies.
And... you have less dangerous illegals flooding your southern borders creating ghettos and gangs. The problem isn't guns. It's who we keep letting into our country. You know as well as I do that if you step into a middle class white neighborhood, that gun violence is almost zero.
Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the United States, and it is a death trap for gun violence.
Illinois is also surrounded by states with little to no gun control, hence why the majority of in state weapons in Illinois come from outside of Illinois, but don't let facts distract you from your own blind opinion.
You don't have the violence we have because we have more minorities in ghettos than you have people. We have states with as many people as you and you have more land.
Yes and those states post higher violence rates than my entire country. No matter which way you want to throw the blame you can't deny that your country is a mess in comparison.
That's because those states have as many people in a smallspace as you have in a giant space. And those states are flooded with foreigners. We have more illegals who aren't even supposed to be here, than you have people in your entire country. Put 50 million illegals in Canada, and your country is gone. Is this really that hard to grasp...
That's because those states have as many people in a smallspace as you have in a giant space. And those states are flooded with foreigners. Our population and demographics resemble each other in no way. We have more illegal immigrants than you have peopl
We have 35,000,000 people with less violence overall than some smaller states do, and apart from that, per capita crime rates (What I've been talking about this whole time, not overall) is dramatically lower in Canada. No matter what way you want to spin this, your country is a cesspool of violence.
Anytime a mass shooting happens in America, the world just looks on in disgust that your politicians care more about owning a gun than other issues like healthcare. Your country is the laughing stock of the civilized world and nothing you say will change that.
This type of blind ignorance is why no one likes Americans, except for Americans.
That's because you have less mass ghettos because you have less people and way less immigrants. We have more immigrants than Canada has people. They get here and have no education, can't hardly speak English, if at all, and create ghettos to survive, which isn't completely their fault. It's the fault of mindless liberal immigration policies. The gangs in America? They're never white. Never. Every large city in America is overrun with minority ghettos. The white neighborhoods away from them are safe. That's why the Electoral map of Donald Trump's victory is red other than where these ghettos are located. If Canada bordered Mexico with liberal policies, you'd be no different.
I never told you what "details" I was going by. I assume you know something nasty about Canada that we don't know but you aren't sharing, because it won't help your argument.
That was a right-wing extremist, who will likely spend the remainder of his life in cold cell. He admired an array of Right-wing leaders such Trump, Le Pen, and others.
The argument you just made nullified your previous one that "Minorities are violent".
Your liberalism doesn't look like ours. Ours become violent and is overrun by foreigners using politics to make us into Mexico and hijack our voting system by pure numbers alone. And the more they bring in, the less we will control our own country because they will have the numbers to control who gets elected. And then? The borders will be open, and we'll never control our own country ever again. And then they'll head north when it gets full. You'd better learn Spanish.
Well, you'll have a problem. They'll outbreed you, pour over the border like ants, and take over your party, then your politics all together, like they are doing here. Then they'll demand a country that looks like the one that they came from because it's all they know. Then they'll illegally keep their guns and demand you not be able to get one legally. And because you are a law abiding citizen, you'll be disarmed while gangs take over your larger cities and then begin spreading out. I know you believe in magic, and think the gangs will just blindly turn over all of their weapons, but they won't and never will.
Nope. That's what's happening. Or have you not studied our demographics over the years and their numerical and proven take over of the Democratic Party? Remember? "Trump hates Mexicans." That was their slogan to try to win the Presidency. Why do you think that was?
Anytime a mass shooting happens in America, the world just looks on in disgust that your politicians care more about owning a gun than other issues like healthcare
Are you talking about the Islamists who committed mass shootings or the minority gangs who keep killing people? A white guy goes on a mass killing, what, once, twice a year? And in a country crammed in here like sardines? You are living in Liberal La La Land.
Your country is the laughing stock of the civilized world and nothing you say will change that.
We couldn't care less if we are the laughing stock. It's called high self esteem. Would you like a link about confidence and self esteem? I can get you one. Hell, I'll throw in 2.
I'll tell you who is a "laughing stock". Liberal European countries that handed their countries over to terrorism and 3rd world foreign cultures because it made them feel good about themselves, oozing with self righteousness. But at least their daughters weren't raped. Oh wait.
Illinois is also surrounded by states with little to no gun control, hence why the majority of in state weapons in Illinois come from outside of Illinois
Oh? So people that come in from beyond your borders and weapons from beyond your borders can skew your gun violence statistics? Isn't that a daisy? Ever heard of Mexico? Check mate.
If you didn't get the concept of things crossing into Illinois is the same as things crossing out of Mexico, I don't know what to tell ya. It was your point. Now you get to own it in this debate. You made the point so that I didn't have to.
If the problem is gun control, shouldn't those surrounding states have higher violence? And if more gun control would be effective, wouldn't that keep the gun and the violence in those states with less gun control?
Canada, which is predominantly white Christian in culture cannot be compared to the United States. Our predominantly white Christian areas have no gun violence.
I can look it up on google. Are you going to continue to lie? Yes, the rich and middle class move to white neighborhoods in America... because it is safer.
Alright, Toronto (Arguably one of the most diverse cities in the world) has lower crime rates than most predominantly white cities in America. Riddle me that.
This is similar to me complaining that French-Canadians don't speak English. If you don't like the strong Hispanic population, maybe the U.S. shouldn't have stolen claimed land from Spain (Which was a solid chunk of the south and west.), which is the same reason I can't complain about French Canadians.
They were here at the same time, we just ended up with the territory through violent invasion and expulsion of les Acadiens to the U.S..
No. They can't get a good job or get out of poverty because they can't speak English well or at all. The CEO's and HR departments don't care if Spanish is an official language because they don't speak Spanish.
Spanish co-existed with aboriginals for the most part. Spain had no direct intention of exterminating Aboriginal populations like Great Britain did.
Although initial arrivals had other intentions, Queen Isabella for the most part considered Native Americans to be equal citizens under her rule, although to be converted. Inter-marriage between Spanish and Aboriginals was also common, as they arrived without families, the British however, arrived fully loaded with families. Great Britain simply wanted to exterminate the population to nothing, of which they almost succeeded. Spain didn't treat them with the greatest respect, but they didn't flat operate a genocide like the Brits did.
FYI, the Spanish also settled almost a century before any English speaking settlers arrived.
Spanish co-existed with aboriginals for the most part. Spain had no direct intention of exterminating Aboriginal populations like Great Britain did.
So... we today, in 2017, should give up our guns because the British were imperialistic, the very British we fought a Revolutionary War against... with guns.... Yeah makes sense.......
My ancestors WERE here first! Lol! And American liberalism is still a mental disorder. Who willingly gives their land up to foreigners because of something 300 years ago? And why are you demanding my people do it a second time?!?!
Although initial arrivals had other intentions, Queen Isabella for the most part considered Native Americans to be equal citizens under her rule, although to be converted. Inter-marriage between Spanish and Aboriginals was also common, as they arrived without families, the British however, arrived fully loaded with families. Great Britain simply wanted to exterminate the population to nothing, of which they almost succeeded
I'm a Native American. No one is flourishing better than us. We have casinos everywhere, food cards, tuition paid, our own police forces, our own schools, and we get checks simply for being Native. I'm glad the white people showed up and that their children are filled with "white guilt". That doesn't make it smart to take our guns or their guns because a mindless liberal thinks that criminals disarm voluntarily if you change the law.
Natives in America have it great. No one in America looks at an aboriginal and says "hey, look an Aboriginal". Maybe they are Mexicn, maybe an Arab. You just made that up. Citation needed.
This may be a Canada exclusive thing, but in Alberta aboriginals are treated in the same sense as African Americans are in the U.S..
As awful as it is, people stereotype Aboriginals as leaches and drunks. Again, it might be exclusive to Canada as they aren't given the same benefits as in the U.S..
In America or in Canada? In America we have rights that no one else even has. I get free medical visits, free medicine, free tuition, a food card even though I'm not poor. Free housing. A check from the tribe. What are you talking about?
I have nothing against Mexicans. It was your point that foreigners took my people's land. So why would I want Mexicans taking it a second time? Loving individuals and thinking giving your country away is mindless are in no way related.
I'm not a leach. I fought for my country and receive the benefits owed to me as per the laws of the treaties between the United States and the tribes.
In America or in Canada? In America we have rights that no one else even has. I get free medical visits, free medicine, free tuition, a food card even though I'm not poor. Free housing. A check from the tribe. What are you talking about?
We get tax breaks and duty free goods, which you have to live on-reserve in most Provinces to obtain. I don't receive any benefits apart from being able to say I'm of aboriginal descent.
Again, likely a U.S.-Canada difference. Aboriginals are potentially the most racially discriminated group in Canada.
They were here at the same time, we just ended up with the territory through violent invasion and expulsion of les Acadiens to the U.S..
You just gave us the history of every empire in the history of planet Earth. Even the Natives fought each other over territory. What will they do, give it back to each other?
My point is that you have no claim to land over them. Simply because a white man won a war 200+ years ago doesn't mean they're the only ones allowed to be there.
Just to clarify all that own personal firearms do not commit mass shootings. No education needed if you provide a google.com reference. You want to talk about mass shooting then you should take a look at Orlando and reference who committed mass murder on the gay community.
Ahhhh... Canadians want it in English and to preserve their culture and not bring in millions of illegals. That probably explains why you have less gun violence wouldn't ya say?
1- The US also has more crime in general, including crime that is unrelated to guns. That's a cultural and institutional issue.
2- with the countless number of guns already in the US, plus our relatively pourus border, it isn't feasible to disarm the population.
3- I'm sure it varies, but I've never met a cop who takes issue with legal gun owner, even those carrying concealed. Often times they applaud it and thank the law abiding gun owner for following proper procedure.
Hey Wanker you said you had dual citizenship's so with that said you don't believe American's have to right to arm themselves to protect themselves , their family and their property ?
Hey Wanker you are out of your league when it comes to firearms but what you will do is call someone that carries a gun when you need them. You Progressives are totally confused in your thinking.
Wanker you have been completely destroyed here because you Progressives want to disarm the law abiding citizen but never addressing the criminal element of society that gets their hands on guns. Avoiding what is reality is what make you people very dangerous
Wanker here is the view you Progressives have don't own a gun just call someone with a gun when you need them. Why is it you would call someone with a gun to protect you ? Are you afraid to protect yourself ?
Hey Wanker how is Moonbeam Land ? Do the illegals in the sanctuary state not have the ability to get their hands on guns ? (CNN)The family of a woman allegedly killed by an undocumented immigrant who'd recently been released from jail can't sue San Francisco over its sanctuary policy, according to a recent court ruling.
Kate Steinle's shooting death in 2015 sparked national debate over so-called sanctuary cities and became a rallying cry for Donald Trump on the campaign trail.
Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, an undocumented immigrant and repeat felon from Mexico who'd been deported five times, is accused of shooting Steinle, a 32-year-old medical device sales rep, as she walked on a San Francisco pier.
We need guns because if we do not have them, then only the nasty criminals will have weapons. Law abiding people would obey the laws and be unarmed. The nasties would disobey the laws and shoot their unarmed victims.
There is a Bill of Rights ! Progressives whine and complain about their 1st Amendment Right so Gun Owners have the right to own guns under the 2nd Amendment then that gives Progressives more reasons to complain ! LMMFAO!
The Mentality of the Left is the Constitution should only work in their favor and no one else's !
It is simple logic. if there is a gun present in a violent situation, it will most likely end in death or at least injury. this is not the same for any other portable weapons, not even bombs. taking away the guns wont remove violence, but it will absolutely reduce it. So why are Americans so fucking gun happy when it is literally killing them? take them away and if that doesn't work, we can rule out guns as the cause. Otherwise, you cannot complain about the rates of homicides, suicides and just plain crazy shoot outs if you are for guns. that is stupid
Over the long run, the rate of violent crime has declined while the rate of gun ownership has increased. This is national as well as world wide. The people who encounter the most violence daily are police officers, but they usually don't shoot people. Your point is illegitimate.
You might add that they were murdered and slaughtered at higher rates. We live in the most peaceful time in human history. National crime is down as well. All while more people in more places have access to more guns than ever before.
Yes. I think we do, but I also think we need to have some form of gun control that works better than what we have now. Loopholes need to be fixed, backgrounds need to be checked 100% of the time and, honestly I think those that buy one should be required to take a gun/safety course.
It accomplishes nothing. Over 90% of gun homicides are by gang members, and those guns aren't legally posessed. And many of them come from a across the border illegally and are obtained illegally.
Do Americans need guns if the answer is yes ,why ?
Is America more violent as a society than other so called civilised societies and if not why the need for guns ?
Are guns beneficial for society or necessary , if yes why don't we in European societies follow the American model ?
Normally any debate on guns with Americans is impossible as they foam and froth at the mouth at anyone daring to suggest that guns have no part in a society that deems itself civilised
