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All you need to know about Islam is graphically illustrated in the atrocities of 9/11, 7/7 London, Paris and Orlando. I could go on indefinitely but if you need further instruction on the faith which preaches and perpetrates death and destruction then you're a hopeless simpleton upon whom additional explanation would be a waste of time.
Yes. But the Catholics are the original church, (Jesus even gave the keys of heaven to peter, who was the first pope) So the catholic church stems directly from the command of Jesus,.
And yes.....the catholic church is much more primitive than people like southern Baptists and the westboro Baptist church ...... catholicity has its doubts, but its influence was so cultural, many great artists worked on catholic church's and cathedrals. Sculpting for bishops and cardinals. Painting for them. Being at the forefront of many country and regality's, being its own country and empire at one point.
The Protestantism.....that's the one that's highly advanced.
I always find it interesting when people pull out that there is no call for violence from Christians in the New Testament. Are we to pretend the Old Testament didn't exist? That Christianity didn't arise from the same violence they try to pin on Muslims now? Not to mention:
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Both of which are excerpts from the New Testament. It's easy to cherry pick without fully understanding the story.
I should clarify though, I am neither for or against any religion in particular, I think they are all fascinating. I do however roll my eyes pretty hard when people confuse regular religious practice with extremism.
The Catholic Church is a Christian denomination. How many hundreds of links would you like for me to prove that with?
You assholes are all the same. You cherry pick who is she is not a Christian depending on but they agree with your specific delusions. Meanwhile, Christianity has killed millions just like Islam.
Both are deadlier than the ebola virus. Both need immediate eradication.
You're comparing what happened 100s of years ago to what Islam is/does today. There are no Christian theocracies, but there are many Islamic ruled countries who have no tolerance for others religion and way of life.
You're comparing what happened 100s of years ago to what Islam is/does today.
So what?
There are no Christian theocracies
There used to be. And a plurality of republicans seem to think there should be again. (more Republicans support making Christianity the official religion of the US than oppose it - and more than a third of Republicans think we should completely ban Islam ref)
actually there is , all the following countries have supported Christianity and most advocating Christianity as the state religion. I mean the Vatican citys literal Monarch is the Pope haha:
Jurisdictions where Roman Catholicism has been established as a state or official religion:
• Argentina: article 2 of the constitution of Argentina explicitly states that the government supports the Catholic Church. However, the constitution does not establish a state religion.[5][6]
• Costa Rica: article 75 of the constitution of Costa Rica confirms that "The Roman Catholic and Apostolic Religion is the religion of the State, which contributes to its maintenance, without preventing the free exercise in the Republic of other forms of worship that are not opposed to universal morality or good customs."[7]
• Liechtenstein: the constitution of Liechtenstein describes the Catholic Church as the state religion and enjoying "the full protection of the State". The constitution does however ensure that people of other faiths "shall be entitled to practise their creeds and to hold religious services to the extent consistent with morality and public order."[8]
• Malta: Article 2 of the Constitution of Malta declares that "the religion of Malta is the Roman Catholic Apostolic Religion"[9]
• Monaco: article 9 of the constitution of Monaco describes "La religion catholique, apostolique et romaine [the catholic, apostolic and Roman religion]" as the religion of the state.[10]
• Vatican City: the Vatican is an Elective, Theocratic, or sacerdotal Absolute Monarchy[11] state ruled by the Pope, who is also the Vicar of the Catholic Church. The highest state functionaries are all Catholic clergy of various national origins. It is the sovereign territory of the Holy See (Latin: Sancta Sedes) and the location of the Pope's official residence, referred to as the Apostolic Palace
The inquisition was a blasphemous political heretic that was nothing resembling the Christian faith.
Those were martyred lions, stoning, beheadings etc.
Islam has been violent since it's inception.
You have 2 persons of the foundation
1 died for His followers, the other was a brutal murder, rapist, and in general a a depraved horrible excuse for a human being, let alone a prophet of God!
Islam is a monotheistic Religion in the Abrahamic tradition, and is considered one of the three major abrahamic faiths: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
The Holy book of Islam is the Quran (Koran is the anglicized spelling), and was written in Arabic. Arabic is considered a holy language in a similar manner that Latin is to Roman Catholics and Hebrew is to Jews. A Quran is only considered a Quran when it is written in Arabic, and therefore English Translation are not the True Quran, merely translations. The importance of Arabic is illustrated in the fact that despite popular belief Allah is not the name of the God of Islam but rather is simply the word "God" as spelled in Arabic. Even when speaking in other languages the Arabic spelling, Allah, is preferred when speaking of God due to it's association with holiness.
The founder of Islam is Muhammad, regarded as a holy prophet, and while Islam recognizes all of the other Abrahamic prophets -- Abraham through Jesus (Jesus is considered a prophet, but not God or the son of God) -- Muhammad is revered as the Last prophet with the most complete word of God. Any who come after Muhammad are considered false prophets. Muhammad is credited with writing the Quran, because Muhammed was illiterate it is considered a miracle to have written the Quran (though more likely a scribe of Muhammad actually wrote it). Muhammed is often criticized for having had a 9 y/o wife (technically his betrothed).
Also revered is the Hadith which is a collection of sayings of Muhammad. Muhammed's life is taken to be an example of how one should live, and his saying are reflected upon just as were the sayings of Jesus to Christians. The difference between the hadiths and the Quran can be summarized thusly: The Hadiths were written about Muhammad, but the Quran was written by Muhammad (allegedly; See above). In that respect the Hadiths are similiar to the Gospels.
In Islam, Jews and Christians are called "People of the Book" recognized as older Abrahamic branches, and generally more highly regarded than pagans or atheists. As Christianity was born of a schism in Judaism, something similiar but different happened with Islam being born mostly out of Judaism. The primary difference is that Jesus was born a Jew and raised in a Jewish Society, whereas Muhammad was not -- I might say that Muhammed despite being raised in a polythiestic/pagan society identified more with the Abrahamic religions which he had no doubt encounter during his life. The Quran was drawn up almost directly from the Torah with some Christian influences. These stories about Adam and Eve, Jonah and the whale, Noah and the flood, and other well known Bible stories can also be found in the Quran. If Muhammad hadn't recognized the source of these stories I might say that they were plagiarized from the Old Testament/Torah. The Quran also assimilated some of the local Bedouin folklore into that theology.
That is about as good of a summary as I can give at the moment. Hopefully you found this informative. If anyone knowledgeable of Islam would like to make any corrections, I am open to them.
The Torah (Old Testament) was written in Hebrew with a few chapters -- Daniel and Ezra -- written in Aramaic. The new testament was written in Greek. I know for Roman Catholics almost everything is done in Latin, not as much anymore..
For Muslims Arabic is a bona fide holy language. That is, if the Quran isn't Arabic then it's not really the Quran, though that may perhaps be the more traditionalist view. In fact many translations will have the original Arabaic, juxtaposed to the translation. This view of the Holy Language may not necessarily extend to other religions. Christians by and large don't recognize any holy language in any similar manner except maybe roman Catholics or Greek Orthodox, perhaps. Whether orthodox Jews view Hebrew in a similar way, I cannot say.
It's true that there is some Abraham in the blood of many Muslim countries. But they are not people of promise. The opposite is true, they are an instrument of judgement and vessels of dishonor
Read Gog from Magog Ezekiel 38 And 39
10 Moreover, the angel of the Lord said to her, “I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they will be too many to count.” 11 The angel of the Lord said to her further,
Gen 16 - Ishmael
“Behold, you are with child,
And you will bear a son;
And you shall call his name Ishmael,
Because the Lord has given heed to your affliction.
12 “He will be a wild donkey of a man,
His hand will be against everyone,
And everyone’s hand will be against him;
And he will live to the east of all his brothers.”
The overriding message of Christianity is ''peace and goodwill to all men''. Islam comes unashamedly with sword in hand with the cry of, ''death to the infidel''. I rest my case.
Men are worth more than women - Leviticus 27:1-7 actually provides dollar comparisons!
"[The Jews] both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets,and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men." 1 Thessalonians 2:15
Exodus 21:7-10 says men can sell their daughters into slavery
Prostitution is punished by burning the woman alive according to Leviticus 21:9
EX 2:12 Moses murders an Egyptian
LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned
LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An example is given in JG 11:30-39)
DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Sihon.
DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Og
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and show "no mercy" to those whom he gives them for defeat.
JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men and women, so that there were none who escaped.
JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua utterly destroys the Gibeonites.
JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of Makkedah.
JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Libnahites.
JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of Lachish.
JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Eglonites.
JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Hebronites.
JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Debirites.
Many many, more examples, so, that's just in the bible. Not to mention the history of the world, not just the bible.
Many Christians, are already under some form of mental enslavement. Best way to term it:
Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there's an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever 'til the end of time...but he loves you. - [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased"]
Jihad is an Arabic word meaning "striving hard" or exerting yourself to the best of your power and ability. The Holy Quran frequently urges Muslims to strive hard, using the word jihad to mean striving
Some interpretation is different. This is the translation.
I'm sure some white Christian American knows more about Arabic then Muslims. Probably. Striving hard to defend there religion and promote it.
I can pull up Christians doing the same thing, might be a little.....horrific.
Aztecs and Christian crusades along........2,000,000 people. the slavery of Africans which was done mostly by Christians (the bible also condones slavery) was about 17,267,000.
17,267,000 murders that are ok with god.
Amer-indians (who were enslaved and killed by Christians) 13,778,000
Ku-Klux-Klan is Christian, Holocaust was perpetrated by the mostly Christian Nazi-Germany , Witch hunts, 30-years war, Westboro Baptist Church (which spreads HATRED for homosexuals)
So many deaths and horrid movements spurred on by your "Christianity"
Islam is just current. Backlash of all the things Christians have done in the last 500 years.
It's amazing how many people can't discuss a different religion without foaming at the mouth. Good for you with trying to learn something different. Keep in mind I am not a part of the Islamic culture, though it is a fascinating one steeped in tradition but I will attempt to share some information just through quick searches as I work.
Islam is one of the largest religions in the world, the followers of which are Muslims. While they (Muslims) recognize some Christian prophets like Jesus as a messenger of the same true God the last and greatest prophet to them is the Prophet Muhammad. When the Prophet Muhammad had to flea his homeland to escape persecution -due to his desire to spread word that there is only one true God in a world where most cultures still believed in multiple Gods- he later returned with an army and conquered Mecca under Islam's name.
There are Five Pillars of Islam. Faith, prayer, fasting, pilgrimage to Mecca (Prophet Muhammad's journey), and alms.
There are many similarities between Muslim, Judaism and Christianity in that they believe there is one God in the universe, but there is disagreement on who the Prophet is. All three believe in the afterlife.
That is only some information, my apologies if I got anything wrong, but truly, it like any religion, is steeped in culture and belief.
All religions have at one point in time been warped to suit the needs of those who follow God's will in name only so it's up to you to really look at the beliefs and follow what speaks to you should you choose to.
Let us not forget that one of the very first things the pederast Mohammed did upon fleeing was to raise an army. I do not recall if this was before I after he screwed and then married a 9 year-old girl.
So your Islam was steeped in pederasty and war from the gitgo.
Nice religion.
Do you want me to paste some of the surahs from the Koran which demand murder of infidels? Let me know, as there are dozens to choose from.
But the Christian bible said many a things. And we must remember, for those times. it was a normality for an elder to marry a very young girl.
I don't think any religion is peaceful. But Christianity has more control in the western world. And I see so much deflected into the Muslims, when really the Christians are horrid
As an atheist I can honestly attest that if I was forced at gunpoint to worship an entity and I was given a choice between Yahweh; Allah; or Shrek, that I would choose the big green dude in a Detroit second!
Islam is nothing more that a totalitarian philosophy wrapped in the cloak of religion. Coupled with Sharia Law, it is intolerant, bigoted, misogynist and limits freedom of speech/expression, freedom of/from religion and has no place in a modern society.
There is no state sponsored Christian government like there is in Islam. There are no groups killing en masse, or is mandated to kill the infidel like Islam. There are no Christian groups/governments that issues fatwas on infidels. There is nothing to compare to Islam today.
But I'm sick. Tired. All these deaths used as fodder for political goals. These are people. Cut down because of them being just.....gay.
And we all know these conservative right wing "true American Christian" people encourage anti gay stuff. These people (and yes ive seen this) reveling in these deaths, some pastors saying its "death to the pedophiles."
A lot of these Christians silently have these beliefs but they don't show it unless in a group.
Also heres a essay (by a Christian) Expalining how mainstream Christians need to be "militant".:
http://www.knightskkk.org/ "The goal of the United White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is to unite White Christians ...".
The Lord's Resistance Army, a guerrilla army, was engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government in 2005. It has been accused of using child soldiers and of committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, and using forced child labourers as soldiers, porters, and sex slaves.A quasi-religious movement that mixes some aspects of Christian beliefs with its own brand of spiritualism, it is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the "Holy Spirit" which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations. LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle
Yes there are radical Christian groups. You don't hear about them because there not in America. Except the Ku Klux Klan and guess what......you've heard of them.
It's simple. Either we destroy Islam or it will try to take over the world. Same simple decision as what to do with Hitler. It has no intention of stopping.
Ive seen statements from both the bible, and koran. Both have horrid things, both say you can have multiple wifes, both enjoy slavery, both saying you can take captives in war. Both talking on killing .
The satanic bible honestly is more peaceful. No rape, no murder, no stealing, drug and alcohol use isn't a sin but is frowned upon. They hate ignorance. (which is why people are ignorant to what they really are because they don't go further than the imagery.)
Many many if not most if Laveyan Satanism is far more reasonable and also less violent than the Old Testament. Their Nine Satanic Sins also are more useful than the Ten Commandments.
This fact does not bode well for the worth of the Bible or Christianity in the modern world.
Our modern world us also more peaceful than Bible times.
Good to know we have evolved past those dark ages.
Think about the Roman Catholic Church, the Crusades, everything Catholic. Think back to when Catholics actually followed dietary constraints. Now instead of white people, think other races. You've just stumbled upon Islam. They are so similar, it seems that the two groups of people are mirror images of each other.
This is true, Catholics have their hands dipped in Christian blood the same as Muslims. The Catholic church has always persecuted real Christians, though today the political climate forces them to play a different game trying to use ecumenicalism to diminish real Christianity.
The Bible says there is only one "Potentate", or "Pope", and that is Jesus Christ. The first Christians were the twelve disciples except for Judas Iscariot. Catholicism is a blend of paganism and Biblical characters and terminology which worships "The Queen of Heaven", an idol mentioned only one time in the Bible as something God hates. The religion was started by Constantine around 300 AD as an attempt to consolidate the crumbling Roman Empire. Constantine agreed to end persecution of Christians if the Christians would register as members of his government church. It's dogmas and doctrines were formed as rigorous requirements to be adhered to to show allegiance to the state/church, and it's dogmas are not Biblical...at best only half truths twisted to ignore the Bible and set up Catholic leaders as authoritative instead of Christianity guided only by the Word of God.
This homo isn't trying to learn about Islam, he's only trying to trash the Bible and Christianity......a wonderful display of sodomite character, starting a discussion pretending to want to learn about Islam and then doing nothing but trash Christianity, crying because God says it is an abomination for a man to lie with a man as with a woman.
I check responses to my arguments and I see the faces of five fools who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell and I"m leaving them in the dust, I tried to tell them how they can be saved but they think they are better than God........idiots.
Fossils can form in a wide variety of ways. Some common methods include:
The body can leave an impression or mold showing its outer shape in the surrounding sand or mud. This can include footprints and the inside and outside of shells. With the right ingredients and conditions, the mold can harden quickly, like cement.
Petrification takes place when minerals replace the original material of the plant or animal. These petrified fossils must form quickly, before the body parts have time to decay. Petrified wood is a classic example.
Permineralization, or encased fossilization, occurs when dissolved minerals fill the pores and empty spaces in the plant or animal but don’t replace any of the original material. The chemicals then turn into crystals, keeping the organism safe and preserved. While it is possible for many different chemicals to do this, quartz is the most common. Most dinosaur bones are permineralized.
Fossils can form under all kinds of conditions all over the world. While water and dissolved minerals are usually needed to form the three types of fossils above, many processes—coalification, compression, freezing, desiccation (drying out), to name a few—do not require either.
Though there are numerous ways to make fossils, fossilization is somewhat rare today. Why is that?
God created the world to efficiently recycle organic matter. When something dies, scavengers, fungi (like mushrooms), and/or bacteria normally consume it. This process of decomposition leaves nothing behind to fossilize.
However, massive catastrophes like Noah’s Flood would produce the conditions necessary to quickly bury and protect creatures so that they can fossilize. It appears that God wanted to leave abundant evidence of His past judgment of mankind’s sin.
While scientists are still trying to sort out the complex details about fossilization, one fact is undisputed—it can be amazingly fast.
I wouldn't throw you off the top of a building.....I would throw you out of my house and off of my property, but that would only hurt your pride. Muslims would take you up to a high roof and give you a good heave ho.
If you want to learn about Islam, walk into a mosque and tell them Allah made you a homo. Then they will teach you about Islam if they don't beat you to a pulp or kill you first.
You haven't been around much. We've had some real doozies of Islamists on here, they had to be banned by federal requirement because of their real threats and reall calls for violence against Christians, Jews, and butt buddy boys.
Fossils can form in a wide variety of ways. Some common methods include:
The body can leave an impression or mold showing its outer shape in the surrounding sand or mud. This can include footprints and the inside and outside of shells. With the right ingredients and conditions, the mold can harden quickly, like cement.
Petrification takes place when minerals replace the original material of the plant or animal. These petrified fossils must form quickly, before the body parts have time to decay. Petrified wood is a classic example.
Permineralization, or encased fossilization, occurs when dissolved minerals fill the pores and empty spaces in the plant or animal but don’t replace any of the original material. The chemicals then turn into crystals, keeping the organism safe and preserved. While it is possible for many different chemicals to do this, quartz is the most common. Most dinosaur bones are permineralized.
Fossils can form under all kinds of conditions all over the world. While water and dissolved minerals are usually needed to form the three types of fossils above, many processes—coalification, compression, freezing, desiccation (drying out), to name a few—do not require either.
Though there are numerous ways to make fossils, fossilization is somewhat rare today. Why is that?
God created the world to efficiently recycle organic matter. When something dies, scavengers, fungi (like mushrooms), and/or bacteria normally consume it. This process of decomposition leaves nothing behind to fossilize.
However, massive catastrophes like Noah’s Flood would produce the conditions necessary to quickly bury and protect creatures so that they can fossilize. It appears that God wanted to leave abundant evidence of His past judgment of mankind’s sin.
While scientists are still trying to sort out the complex details about fossilization, one fact is undisputed—it can be amazingly fast.
You and I have something in common Saintnow, it is incredibly easily to tell when either of us has copied and pasted something from another website. For you it is when you inexplicably begin using vocabulary and grammar that is well beyond your ability, and for me it's when you see quotation marks and a source. Perhaps you should give credit to Heather from Answersingenesis for writing that piece that you've passed off as your own.
We are both sinners who deserve to die and burn in Hell. That we have in common. Whatever else you think we have in common does not interest me. I'm saved from eternal dying, condemnation, in Hell, you are not. You think your life is justified, I know it is not possible for my life to be justified except that God Himself took my place in death to justify all who believe on Him, so the resurrected Savior who died for me justifies me, does for me what I cannot do and you think is automatic for you while you refuse to repent of your sin.
Why don't you dispute the facts i presented? Are you afraid? Is the best you can to is to find my source and then whine that I didn't cite it? I am in full agreement with all facts presented and have made many of the same arguments in my own words off the top of my head many times. Are you afraid to address the facts and the logic presented? All you want to do is dodge, chicken lilly
I dont even know where it came from, don't really care, it's obviously copy and pasted from somewhere. I think it's clear when my posts are in my own words. If you are so stupid that you think I'm tyring to pass that off as my own composition when it is obviously copy and pasted, that stupidity is your problem.
The post was placed in response to Slapshot's statements about fossils. Why don't you follow the conversation and quit being a jerk. This is why I avoid talking to you or reading your stuff...all you want to do it nitpick and whine, just full of bitterness and it seems like trying to get some fun out of you is like trying to get water from a rock
so dispute the facts presented. Crying "bias" is not putting up an argument. Listen, idiot, I could easily reword it all and claim it as my own. Why bother? You won't address the facts anyways, you never do, you just go on insulting me and being ignorant. All you do is try to poke at me and never answer the facts.........and once again, the piece on fossils was in answer to slapshot's assertions on fossils clearly showing he misspoke, and you want to jump in like a stupid monkey on my back and try to assassinate my character. If I was trying to publish the material or use it for a school report, that would be something else. Here it is quite obviously not written by me and i see no importance in quoting the source as the facts presented are the argument, not the source I copy and pasted from.
You insult the source I copy and pasted as "biased", yet you totally fail to dispute even the tiniest of the points I presented which proves nothing but your own IGNORANCE>
Don't plagiarize your sources and I will. As you've seen numerous times already, when I present an argument you are unable and unwilling to address it, and you've admitted yourself that you don't want me to respond and have no intention of giving any sort of rebuttal when I do, so this is merely empty remonstration.
Crying "bias" is not putting up an argument
I'm not "crying" about bias, I'm "crying" about plagiarism, in so far as pointing something out equals crying.
I could easily reword it all and claim it as my own
If you were to explain the concept in your own words, then it would in fact be yours. The reason you don't do this is because you don't understand the subject matter well enough to sound like you know what you're talking about.
Why bother?
Integrity?
and try to assassinate my character
You do a well enough job of that yourself.
You insult the source I copy and pasted as "biased"
No, I was merely postulating why you wouldn't cite your source. After all, if you can copy and paste multiple paragraphs then you can copy and paste a url.
yet you totally fail to dispute even the tiniest of the points I presented
I had no intention of doing that. My intention was to chide you for plagiarism and I did exactly that, did I not? To express in fine detail how all of the facets of your plagiarized piece epitomizes a fundamental misunderstanding of geology would not be difficult at all, albeit a bit more time consuming than what I've said here.
I could call you Atrag or Bob. The three of you guys are pretty much carbon copies, three trained parrots, the Three Stooges of Parrots. For now I'll call you Bob. It keeps my mind fresh to remember I'm leaving you behind due to your incorrigibility.
For now I'll call you Bob. It keeps my mind fresh to remember I'm leaving you behind due to your incorrigibility.
And yet, your activity here shows anything but. You continue to spam all of my posts with sometimes as many as 4 -6 replies to the same post. Does that sound like leaving me behind?
I could call you Atrag or Bob. The three of you guys are pretty much carbon copies, three trained parrots, the Three Stooges of Parrots. For now I'll call you Bob. It keeps my mind fresh to remember I'm leaving you behind due to your incorrigibility.
I don't know why you insist on calling me Bob. It has been pretty well established, that despite your warrantless accusation I am not smilingbob. Smilingbob and I don't even hold the same opinions. The only thing we even appear to agree on is that creationism is bullocks.
yeah, right, I have no idea what was said because the words are too big for me to understand. How do you think I chose that piece to use in dispute of Slapshot's statements about fossils if I don't know what it's saying?
All you do is try to insult me, you're a jerk, what you are doing is trying to provoke a fight just because you are mad about me telling you that you will end up burning in Hell forever if you don't get saved from it, and only God the Savior, Jesus Christ, can save you. Your just a jerk, Bob, and that's why I dont pay much attention to you....all you want to do is drag around on my ankles trying to pull me down in your dying. Sorry, I'm on my way to Heaven and you can't stop me.
Listen you pompous jerk, can you show me one word in the post which was above a sixth grade reading level? If you think the words and grammar in that post are sophisticated, you only show your own insecurity by trying to insult my intelligence. You're grasping at straws as if insulting me makes you fit for life so you cannot be condemned to Hell. You're still a sinner, jerko, still dying, and still need to be saved or you'll wake up in Hell frying like an eternal sausage. Put that in your pipe and smoke on it.
What is your problem? Just because you can't justify your life, you feel you have to tear down others to bring them down to your level? You have eternal death, and you want to convince yourself that everybody else is going down to Hell with you?
Really, Bob, what is your problem? Can you get to the root of it?
I don't have a problem. I'm on a debate website, debating.
Just because you can't justify your life
I have no need nor desire to 'justify my life', least of all to you. I think what gets under your skin is that I don't agonize over my rejection of Christianity. It is just one of hundreds of religions. I have encountered no especially convincing reason to think it is any more true than the innumerable other religions that you dismiss outright without so much as a second thought. This seems to bother you. The only reason I have even given it as much consideration as I have is because it is the dominant religion of my culture, and for literally no other reason. I am in fact quite happy and content with my current philosophical and theological predilections.
You have a sin problem, it's taking you down in death to Hell and you need to be saved from it and I don't want to bother reading your nitpicky garbage.
Ah yes...salvation! The invisible, unmeasurable, unobservable, cure for the invisible, unmeasurable, unobservable, disease. How dare I not believe the superstitions of old men from antiquity on face value? God must be outraged!
I don't know why you insist on calling me Bob. It has been pretty well established, that despite your warrantless accusation I am not smilingbob. Smilingbob and I don't even hold the same opinions. The only thing we even appear to agree on is that we are both dying and not saved; scientifically observable fact that we are lost.
This is just becoming sad and pathetic.. Your behavior is becoming more and more childlike as time goes on, and you have failed to establish any right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner.
You don't get the message......I'm not interested in your insistence that you are as god or better than God. I tried to be nice to you, that worked for about a minute, other than that you have been nothing but a jerk as if being a jerk proves you have the right to exist outside of Hell. I don't want to argue with you, Go see for yourself if evolution will keep you out of Hell.........and by all means, please take your time, I'm sure there is somebody who wants to keep you around
You don't get the message......I'm not interested in your insistence that you are as god or better than God.
You are losing your grip on reality, you have this penchant for imagining me saying things and then criticizing the things you imagined me saying.
I tried to be nice to you, that worked for about a minute
I'm not sure I know what you mean by "worked", but if you want to convince someone of some proposition try providing supporting facts and arguments. Being nice while appreciated is not going to convince anyone of anything, and as you've learned nor is being an intolerable cunt. Glad to see that being nice is just a ploy for you to get what you want.
you have been nothing but a jerk as if being a jerk
Yes, generally, I am not kind to those who are not kind to me. I don't know why you think you can insult my family and still expect me to be nice to you. Didn't anyone ever tell you to not poke the Tiger?
You created this post, it's not an info post, it's a post of a pervert who hates God, hates the Bible, and loves his stinking sin more than life even if it does take him into the Lake of Fire.
Muhammad said Allah hates those who don’t accept Islam. (Qur’an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38’0)
Jesus said God loves everyone. (John 3:16)
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Muhammad said “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.” (Muslim 1:33)
Jesus said “He who lives by the sword will die by the sword” (Matthew 26:52)
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Muhammad stoned women for adultery. (Sahih Muslim 4206)
Jesus said “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” (John 8:7)
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Muhammad permitted stealing from unbelievers (Bukhan 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
Jesus said “Thou shalt not steal” (Matthew 19:18)
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Muhammad permitted lying (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus said “Thou shalt not bear false witness.” (Matthew 19:18)
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Muhammad owned and traded slaves (Sahih Muslim 3901)
Jesus neither owned nor traded slaves.
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Muhammad murdered those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
Jesus preached forgiveness.
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Muhammad said “If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him.” (Qur’an 2:194)
Jesus said “If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” (Matthew 5:39)
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Muhammad said “Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one’s position in Paradise by a hundred fold.” (Muslim 4645)
Jesus said “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called Sons of God.” (Matthew 5:9)
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Muhammad married 13 wives and kept sex slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Qur’an 33:50)
Jesus was celibate.
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Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old child. (Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)
Jesus did not have sex with children.
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Muhammad ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
Jesus never harmed a woman.
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Muhammad said “O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.” (Qur’an 3:110)
Jesus said “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth.” (Matthew 5:5)
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Muhammad ordered 65 military campaigns and raids in his last 10 years. (Ibn Ishaq)
Jesus ordered no military campaigns, nor offered any approval of war or violence.
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Muhammad killed captives taken in battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451)
Jesus never took captives; never killed anyone.
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Muhammad encouraged his men to rape enslaved women. (Abu Dawud 2150, Qur’an 4:24)
Jesus never encouraged rape; never enslaved women.
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Muhammad was never tortured, but tortured others. (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
Jesus suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.
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Muhammad said “And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah.” (Qur’an 8:39)
Jesus said “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” (Matthew 5:44)
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Muhammad ordered a slave to build the very pulpit from which he preached Islam. (Bukhari 47:743)
Jesus washed his disciples feet. (John 13:5)
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Muhammad demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship. (Qur’an 4:102)
Jesus chastised anyone attempting to defend him with force. (John 18:10-12)
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Muhammad advocated crucifying others. (Qur’an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)
Jesus was crucified himself.
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According to his followers, Muhammad had others give their lives for him. (Sahih Muslim 4413)
According to his followers, Jesus gave his life for others. (John 18:11 and elsewhere)
ermm... you realise that Jesus and God are the same right? So saying that Jesus / God doesnt hate or start wars is pretty funny if you have ever read the old testament.
Out of curiosity, how so? God and Jesus were not the same person, Jesus was the son of God, not the lord himself. But I suppose it depends on the faith.
The Jesus you are talking about is not Jesus of the Bible, it's a remake, a false Jesus, denying the Bible and denying Jesus' own words. Jesus is God, Allah is not God, Jesus is the truth and Mohammed was a liar.
The Trinitarian Doctrine Holds that God is an entity of three parts - The father in Heaven, the Son on Earth, and the Holy spirit. Thus Trinitarians believe that Jesus is both the son of God and God himself.
here is an ire website (made by Muslims) explaining everything and it doesn't seem to interpret it the same way.
Odd how most Muslims see it this way too.
and you don't seem to be forgiving these terrorists either. So are you a heretic? Most Christians aren't celibate.
And also you do realize that the Muslims believe in Jesus right? Muhammad is completely different. Mormons keep many wife's and some other Christians do.
And yet many battles were in the name of god.
The bible condones slavery.
god himself was an ANGRY person and didn't turn the other cheek.
god killed millions of innocents.
Innocents have suffered far worse torture than Jesus has been threw.
And god himself is so warlike (he condoned many battles, helped with wars and conquests and that's in the bible) that early Hebrews considered him a god of war.
And the old testament does say to stone the woman that does that.
And Christians are FAR FROM MEEK. Entire country's being Christian at points. People now want Christianity in American government.
Large wars. THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE. Many put to death.
You need to question your sources.........they are misleading you, I've seen enough of them, I have questioned them and questioned God, obviously you prefer ignorance and studying vanity as if it gets you out of reality in death.
I have questioned my faith thoroughly, I'm sure much more so than you have questioned the Bible. The difference between me and you in questioning the Bible is that I never stopped until I knew the truth. You chose ignorance and decided you are smarter than God and decided you had the answers when all you really have is dying.
The Bible said the Arabic tribes would be fighting against everybody forever and they always have and always will, now using Islam as their banner seeking world domination by force.
You are quoting a lot of false accusations against God and His word, taking things out of context and building on lies presenting them as factual. You don't know what you are talking about.
If you want to believe that garbage, go ahead. See if it keeps you out of Hell. You can have this messed up world.
this whole thing is lying against God, promoted by Muslims who follow Mohammed's teaching in the Queeranne.........
Muhammad permitted lying (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus said “Thou shalt not bear false witness.” (Matthew 19:18).
I want to ask a question about Islam: how did you become so stupid to believe this parrot speech you have been trained to recite?
So you did your own study and came to agree with liars and you trained yourself to parrot their garbage so you don't have to use your brains to question liars.
and god said to kill gays, its not parrot speech when its a major flaw in a "peaceful" religion.
You're both murderers, but you guys just don't lie about being murderers. But you make fun of gays first, "queeranne" wtf. Yes and the Holy Dickle is nice too.
God inspired ONE version of the bible, which was written by a bunch of different men inspired by him.
There are now 450 versions of the bible. 499 were not under god. One was.
And most today aren't even the full bible, In fact the oldest bible (which was found in Ethiopia, and was written 800 years before the king James bible) has 88 books instead of 66. And you forget the fact that the church excommunicated books.
Not under GODS word, but because they themselves didn't agree with it. And to say these books are any less important, is to lower the importance of the bible. And King James himself Added the Apocrypha, (which had been excommunicated) but was removed later.
Jesus Christ is the truth, and you don't know because you are lost in your sin heading for the fire of Hell. You were never a Christian, you may have been religious thinking you were a Christian but you never were. A real Christian is born of the Spirit of God and cannot be unborn. Jesus said "you must be born again". You never were, even if you were taught that you were somehow, you never were or you would be a Christian. You can't undo what God has done, you were never born of His Spirit, you never were saved, you never knew God's forgiveness, you tried to fool yourself maybe, you were religious maybe, but no more a Christian than the devil or a Muslim is a Christian.
The Apocrypha never was Bible, never will be. It always has been and always will be unbiblical. Satan has always tried to throw a wrench into God's word, ever since in the Garden of Eden he tricked Eve by saying "yeah, hath God said". You are playing the devil's game, and God is against you as you are against Him.
Saying you are not a Christian is a confession of being unqualified to understand or explain the Bible. You're just a big mouth idiot angry against God and on your way to Hell following in the footsteps of your father the devil.
I can tell your level of knowledge by your assertions in this post. Whatever your level of "knowledge" is, it's useless as you think you know things you don't. It's obvious you don't know what you are talking about, and if you learned this stuff in school or in church, you were taught by people who don't know what they are talking about.
I've lost interest in your stuff, you have a problem between you and God and I can't help you since you think you are better than God.
You love your sin more than life and don't care that it is taking you to Hell, and you are defying God and you have a problem. You don't care, so why should I? All you want to do is destroy God because He says it is abominable for a man to lie with a man as with a woman. So you become obsessed with fighting with people who say what you are doing is wrong because you don't want to accept responsibility for your own shame as if it's my fault you feel bad about giving your body away and abusing others like you are pieces of meat trying to blend flavors. You feel unhappy with people like be because of your own shame which you want to deny. It's not my problem, it's yours and you can have it if you want it, which apparently you do.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Your bible says to kill me. So you are murderers. And to deny it. is to deny the bible itself. Which is a SIN on your part.
Oh, you are a sodomite. No wonder you are such a dipstick trying to get in my face, and no wonder you want to trash the Bible.
What you are doing is an abominable thing, the Bible refers to you as a dog, similar to a whore monger.
And by the way, sodomite, the passage you are referring to is from the Law given to Israel by God. The Bible says we are to obey the laws of the land, and the law of the land permits you to be a butt buddy with the boys, stinking up the place with the crowd most likely to have and spread AIDS.
You can kill yourself if nobody is around to stop you. I obey the laws of the land, I don't attack anybody even if they are stinking sodomites. A lot of sodomites do kill themselves, trying to escape the misery of their emotions which are confused from trying to convince themselves that they are normal when they know they are perverted against nature. It's really sad, they think killing themselves gets them relief from reality, and then they wake up in Hell.
If it was legal to kill gay people, like it is under Islamic law, I'm sure others would kill them but I would not, no. Are you retarded? Would you mock Jesus on the cross dying like most people did? If you say no, I say you are a liar. Also, your totally ignorant and not much worth reading and I generally do not read your stuff anymore, but I'll humor you a bit to answer your stupid question. Why don't you get down on the Muslims as their law commands the killing of butt buddies, Christians, and Jews. You know Christians will not cut your head off for criticizing them like the Muslims will.
If it was legal to kill gay people, like it is under Islamic law, I'm sure others would kill them but I would not, no.
Then how does your statement address what Jupiter said? Your only objection was that current law doesn't allow it, and yet you are now saying even if it was allowed you still wouldn't.
Well, your question if I would kill sodomites if the law allowed it is a stupid question, or purely hateful toward me. You hate God, you hate the Bible, and you hate me for telling you God has the right to kill you and leave you in Hell as a sinner. Your criticisms of me are unjustified and based on nothing but your own prejudice and your own desire to justify your own sin. The worse you try to slander me with is the same garbage I see coming from you in animosity toward me for being a Bible believing Christian. When you try to slander me, you are showing your own colors of hatred, and I know why.....it's because you love your sin and don't want anybody telling you there is no excuse for it. I'll try to ignore you since you don't care if you are on your way to Hell and like several others here have pleasure in talking with me only if you feel you are getting jabs in on me.
The objection raised by Jupiter was that the Bible contains a command to kill homosexuals, and it does, and your response was that Christians must obey the Law. Yet when I ask you if it wasn't against the law would you kill gays, and you still say no. This tells me that intuitively you understand that it is morally wrong to kill gay people and that your conscience couldn't bear the act. So why then would there be such a morally reprehensible commandment?
Despite the fact that we are both non-theists with a more sophisticated vocabulary than you, we are not the same person.
Bob is a moral relativist whereas I am a Consequentialist
Bob subscribes to the 'Christ Myth' view
Bob is an idiot 9/11 Truther.
I've been on this site for 6 years, bob has been here for less than a year.
Now that we have that out of the way.. your aversion to contrary views is already noted. One wonders why you joined a debate forum in the first place as you seem to have no intention to debate anything.
This idiot had a sister and a mother who aborted their babies after their loverboys forgot to use condoms. One of the boyfriends was named Boyhomoman. He was Bobs lover and they dreamed of riding a horse to Jupiter. Jupiter said no women are allowed there, so they read the Koran together trying to learn about Islam. Then they found many times in the Koran that Muhammed says they are supposed to kill Christians, Jews, and Homos. Since they hated the Bible and Christians and God, and they didn't want to say homos are perverts, and their women were too loose to depend on, they decided to sell their souls to evolution in hope of escaping reality in death, and they both went out in a suicide pact and woke up in Hell. Oops, that's not funny. It was supposed to be a joke, sorry. I see no humor in you fools.
I check responses to my arguments and I see the faces of five fools who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell and I"m leaving them in the dust, I tried to tell them how they can be saved but they think they are better than God........idiots.
What exactly do you think you are accomplishing here? You're certainly not here to engage in thoughtful discussion or spirited debate. You're certainly not persuading anyone to accept your lord, if anything your belligerent obnoxious self-righteous behavior has scared more people away from your religion. You are doing more harm than good. You've epitomized the 'Christian who couldn't be any less christlike' trope if he tried. The only thing you seem to have succeeded in doing is making an ass of yourself. Fortunately I have Christian Friends, family, and relatives that I have love and respect for, so I know they're not all like you. You are doing more to hurt Christianity than I ever could.
I check responses to my arguments and I see the faces of five fools who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell and I"m leaving them in the dust, I tried to tell them how they can be saved but they think they are better than God........idiots.
I check responses to my arguments and I see the faces of five fools who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell and I"m leaving them in the dust, I tried to tell them how they can be saved but they think they are better than God........idiots.
Listen, idiot, it was Old Testament Law given to Israel. We live under American law
If American law held sodomy to be punishable by death, it would not bother me at all if they were executed by legal process ok? Sodomy is an abomination, now protected by American law. Speaking against sodomy is gradually being outlawed. For now I can say I agree with the Bible regarding perversion in any form which is any sexual indulgence in thought or in action outside of marriage. Since you decline to speak against women being cheap to give their bodies away or use other's bodies for gratuitous pleasure when not respecting their true value to give themselves only in marriage for life as they have their bodies for life, I assume you are a pervert, fornicator, and encourage women to be like you, even the women in your own family.......what a dirty shame. And for this reason you keep trying to nitpick at me. Your problem is with God, and you will answer to Him and not to me. I really want to just walk away from you and leave you in the dust and let you find out for yourself if Hell is hot. I tried to tell you, your blood is on your own head, I've wasted too much time with you.
Listen, idiot, it was Old Testament Law given to Israel. We live under American law
I understand that, which is the reason I put forth the hypothetical situation. If you were living under levitical law would you or would you not kill a gay person as commanded in Leviticus?
Since you decline to speak against women being cheap to give their bodies away
I'm not declining anything. I will state clearly and concisely that I have no moral objection to faithful sex by consenting adults inside or outside of marriage. My stance on sex is simple: If you are having sex be prepared for the consequences, and if you are not prepared for the consequences then you shouldn't be having it. It's as simple as that.
When people like you make this kind of argument, I really think you have mental problems or are retarded. Jupiter is a sodomite, his chaotic emotionalism is understandable as he wrestles with his shame. You are just some kind of pervert who must have mental problems or be retarded......well, I guess really pretty much the same as Jupiter.
I don't care what you say. You don't care that you are on your way to Hell, and all you want to do is stab at people who refuse to go along with you. Go your way, fool.
I check responses to my arguments and I see the faces of five fools who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell and I"m leaving them in the dust, I tried to tell them how they can be saved but they think they are better than God........idiots.
This idiot had a sister and a mother who aborted their babies after their loverboys forgot to use condoms. One of the boyfriends was named Boyhomoman. He was Bobs lover and they dreamed of riding a horse to Jupiter. Jupiter said no women are allowed there, so they read the Koran together trying to learn about Islam. Then they found many times in the Koran that Muhammed says they are supposed to kill Christians, Jews, and Homos. Since they hated the Bible and Christians and God, and they didn't want to say homos are perverts, and their women were too loose to depend on, they decided to sell their souls to evolution in hope of escaping reality in death, and they both went out in a suicide pact and woke up in Hell. Oops, that's not funny. It was supposed to be a joke, sorry. I see no humor in you fools.
This idiot had a sister and a mother who aborted their babies after their loverboys forgot to use condoms. One of the boyfriends was named Boyhomoman. He was Bobs lover and they dreamed of riding a horse to Jupiter. Jupiter said no women are allowed there, so they read the Koran together trying to learn about Islam. Then they found many times in the Koran that Muhammed says they are supposed to kill Christians, Jews, and Homos. Since they hated the Bible and Christians and God, and they didn't want to say homos are perverts, and their women were too loose to depend on, they decided to sell their souls to evolution in hope of escaping reality in death, and they both went out in a suicide pact and woke up in Hell. Oops, that's not funny. It was supposed to be a joke, sorry. I see no humor in you fools.
I check responses to my arguments and I see the faces of five fools who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell and I"m leaving them in the dust, I tried to tell them how they can be saved but they think they are better than God........idiots.
What is your problem? Can't you go your way and be happy? Why do you have to try to provoke me to fight? I'm leaving you in your dust and you can find out for yourself if Hell is hot, you wont' listen to me and there is no good reason for me to waste time with you.
Your criticisms are stupid. You need to be criticizing your own sin and realize that God has the right to kill you at any moment and leave you in Hell with your sin. You need to be saved from Hell, Jesus Christ is God the Savior who died for you, paid your price, so you don't have to pay in Hell if you believe on Him. You are so stinking annoying in your hate and arrogance, and yet I present you with God's offer of pardon so you can have eternal life and be in Heaven where I would enjoy your company as we enjoy honoring God with the life He gave us...but all you want it sin, all you want is all you have, all you have is dying, and if that's good enough for you you are an idiot.
Why don't you just take a hike, maybe take Jupiter along with you and you perverts can explore yourselves in the sunset assuming you won't wake up in Hell too soon.
