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Think they live without God Want to die without God
Debate Score:35
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Why, in Psalm 14:1, does God say atheists are fools?

If you say I do not exist, I'm going to laugh at you.   If you say you can live without God, I'm going to call you a liar because you are dying.   It seems God says atheists are fools because it's easy to laugh at them and show how silly they are.

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dadman(1703) Banned
2 points

really ..... to claim there is no God is the HEIGHT of arrogance and stupidity .. and they are indeed without excuse

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Oooops !!! .. and then there was man

Side: Think they live without God
2 points

I think if anyone told someone else that they didn't exist they would be laughed at. I don't know if it would be in a malicious way, simply a laugh of disbelief or amusement.

"The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good."

Often times the word "fool" stands for wicked man. And Atheist is not automatically wicked for simply not believing in a God. Neither is a Christian automatically righteous for believing in Him. Those who are wicked won't claim God in their lives because they wish to do as they will, not as God wills. In a sense he must believe in God and God's will to deny God's existence in favor of his self-serving needs. So basically, the one with wickedness in his heart doesn't want to believe in God because he wants zero consequences in acting out the wickedness in his heart. There is a difference between Atheists and a foolish man who refuses God so he can be free to be wicked.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Psalm 14:1 says "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God". It calls them fools. They are called fools, plain and simple. Atheists are automatically fools the moment they decide they are atheists.

You are wicked because you say Jesus is not God who died for your sins and you will not repent of your sin believing He is risen from the dead and is alive forever more. You teach all kinds of doctrines of devils which is suitable for your friendship with witches.

There is no difference between an atheist and a fool. The Bible clearly, plainly, and simply says atheists are fools.

Apparently the only way you can explain this is to try to change it and twist it all around going in meandering tangents trying to smear the simplicity of what the Bible says. You have done that, thank you for your input, no need to say more. I hope that in all the time God gives you, you find He is good.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

It clearly says that ALL who say there is no God are corrupt and have done abominable things and NONE does good. You don't understand because you are trying to justify yourself, trying to allow for others to justify themselves. You want your freedom to do and say whatever you feel like without being in submission to God.

We are all sinners who deserve to die and burn in Hell. When Jesus was approached with "Good Master......." Jesus said "why do you call me good? there is none good, only God is good". The person approaching Jesus did not recognize His divinity and Jesus called him out on it while correcting the idea that a sinner can be good. There is none good, no not one, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

You really weren't too bad in this post, I simply don't want to argue with you, don't like your attitude acting like you are the voice of God yourself. I have the Bible for God's word, I don't appreciate you acting like your word is equal to the Bible.

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alto(114) Banned
1 point

It was actually David that said that. And he says the are fools because he is jealous of how smart they are.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Thank you for your input. No need to say more. Psalm 14 is all about you and you don't like it. Fine.

And it's God's word. Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost whom you in your Hell bound unholiness deny is the author of God's Word, The Bible.

Oh yeah, right, King David was jealous of the smarts of fools. Hhahahaha....thanks again for illustrating what a fool is. Fools are funny, a tragic comedy on their way to Hell.

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NowASaint(1380) Disputed
1 point

I don't believe you read the Bible. If you did, you sure hate it...you read it the same as the devil reads it only the devil knows he is doomed and fools think they get off the hook in death.

Side: Want to die without God
1 point

If you say I do not exist, I'm going to laugh at you.

No, I assure you, idiocy like yours can't come from oblivion.

does God say atheists are fools?

You mean that imaginary thing that you expect to let you off to some eternal heaven? He might; I doubt anyone (who is worth the material he's built of) cares.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Thought I banned you .

Side: Think they live without God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Why does the same parade of fools feel they always have to come act stupid in my discussions?

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

If you clowns could take one side or the other in the debate and admit you believe you live without God and want to die without God, I might allow you to converse here.

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Saint666 Clarified Banned
1 point

I've analysed both Deism and atheistic materialism beyond what you can possibly think (though even a little bit qualifies under that) and there isn't any contradiction in either.

But a perfect God would certainly reward the rational creatures, if he desires to do any such thing as rewarding people.

Thus, you're worse off than me either way.

Also, I care little about what idiocies you name the sides after.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

If you clowns could take one side or the other in the debate and admit you believe you live without God and want to die without God, I might allow you to converse here.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
0 points

I'm doing my best to avoid reading your stuff because it seems to be coming from a devil and it's a waste of energy to argue with the devil

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Atrag(5666) Banned
1 point

Seems you have banned everyone here - even those that support your deluded self. You ARE NOT GOD!!!! GOD IT???!?!??!? You have no right to stand in judgement of others. Once again your simple instruction: Read. The. Bible! Particularly the new testament.

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NowASaint(1380) Disputed
1 point

You know I'm going to ban you when all you do is whine about how you don't like me.

Side: Want to die without God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

I do not stand in judgement of anybody. I simply and telling the truth about reality. If you feel judged, it's because you are guilty of sin and need to be reconciled with God. You need to get things right with God and then it won't bother you when I say sinners deserve to die and burn in Hell forever.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

There is one person who made a feeble attempt to discuss the subject here and did not get banned. It seems all they wanted to say is that they believe they live without God and want to die without God. Too bad we can't get past that, but at least it's not a whiner trying to frame me to take the blame for their problems with God.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Oops, didn't notice the one person I had not banned is presenting pornography. The pervert is banned.

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dadman(1703) Banned
2 points

This is the judgment .. that the light has come into the world ..

and men loved the darkness rather than the light .. for their deeds were evil

for everyone who does evil hates the Light .. and does not come to the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed

but he who practices the truth comes to the light .. so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God

.............. John 03:19-20

Side: Want to die without God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Thanks, I gave you a point for support but those fake modern perversions of God's word bug me and I won't allow them in my house so I really should not allow them here. If you don't care what version you use, why not show me the courtesy of using nothing but King James Bible in my discussions. Thanks again for your support.

It no longer bothers me if you want to promote your website.....don't blame you for that, good you want to spread the gospel.

Side: Think they live without God
jolie(9809) Banned
2 points

Because God has embraced joe_cavalry as a life style ;)

Side: Want to die without God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Ha ha. Wow. You are funny .

Side: Think they live without God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

I wonder if you actually laughed at yourself saying something so stupid. I wonder if you grinned and felt you were being smart. My guess is that you did.

Thanks for being a good example of the people God is talking about in Psalm 14

Side: Think they live without God
1 point

Ha, ha, we got banned ;)

Side: Want to die without God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Why does the same parade of fools feel they always have to come act stupid in my discussions?

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Good to see you are not burning in Hell, but I really don't want to see you in my house. You are not welcome here.

Side: Think they live without God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Good to see you are not burning in Hell, but I really don't want to see you in my house. You are not welcome here.

Side: Think they live without God
Bettyjoe(402) Banned
2 points

From the looks of it, no one is welcome here ;)

Side: Want to die without God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

If you clowns could take one side or the other in the debate and admit you believe you live without God and want to die without God, I might allow you to converse here.

Side: Think they live without God
joennie(63) Banned
1 point

I live without God and want to die without God. How's that? Can I converse here? I pick this side ;)

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Dermot(5736) Banned
2 points

Oh dear , Now A Stain will have to be corrected again as he never read the bible that's why he is going to ban me again for schooling him ....:)

You do not seem to realise you idiotic creature that your favourite place HELL awaits those who call another a fool ... read it and weep god has just sentenced himself to hell ....

Burn baby , burn that mother down ya all..... disco inferno playing in the background :)

New International Version

But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire

Burn that mother down ......

Side: Want to die without God
1 point

He is clearly in no better a position than us if his imagination turns out to be real, yet he has the insolence to believe and "preach" (yes, I'm counting the terrible attempts) it.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Why does the same parade of fools feel they always have to come act stupid in my discussions?

Side: Think they live without God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Good to see you are not burning in Hell, but I really don't want to see you in my house. You are not welcome here.

Side: Think they live without God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

So now do you think you have freed yourself from God so you can die in freedom?

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
0 points

You have the insolence to show your face here. Too bad I can't throw you out of my house on your tail as easily as I can tell you to leave this discussion and don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

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NowASaint(1380) Disputed
1 point

Why does the same parade of fools feel they always have to come act stupid in my discussions?

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Good to see you are not burning in Hell, but I really don't want to see you in my house. You are not welcome here.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

What kind of an idiot says the Bible is not true and then tries to twist it into a reasonable argument which is supposed to support his stupid ideas?

Listen, idiot, the passage you are referring to is in the context of a brother calling a brother a fool. You are not my brother, God is my Father and you are of your father the devil. You are a fool. Now if you go calling your brothers who are like you children of Hell "fools", you are in danger of the fire of Hell yourself the same as your brother it. My brothers are not fools, they are children of the King of Creation. You and your brothers and sisters are fools.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Thanks for all your hard work trying to prove you are as good as anybody, better than most and not as bad as some. You have proved that we all deserve to die and burn in Hell, and you show the evidence by dying yourself. Too bad dying is the sum total of everything you can put together, fool.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

If you clowns could take one side or the other in the debate and admit you believe you live without God and want to die without God, I might allow you to converse here.

The poor widdle Dermit the Hermit got himself banned again

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

You see? when you compare the passage you refer to with Psalm 14:1 which says you are a fool, you have to figure out what is going on. Clearly you are not my brother but rather are of your father the devil so calling you a fool is not covered by the passage you quote warning against calling a brother a fool. To be my brother, you have to repent of your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and receive Him as your Savior. If you would believe, God would give you a new heart by His Holy Spirit which would make you a child of His and my brother....but by your own words I have to believe you are and intend to be forever a child of Hell, a fool thinking he can live without God and desiring to die without God. Not very bright, are you, fool?

Side: Think they live without God
2 points

Psalms is a book of poems with multiple authors of long forgotten identities. Quoting psalms as the word of god is analogous to quoting the lyrics of any modern song and saying it is the defining truth about whatever the topic of the song happens to be. Just because someone anonymous wrote a psalm once against not believing in god doesn't mean you have proven god's existence or even the nature of what level of disagreement with religion equates to right or wrong.

https://www.insight.org/resources/bible/ the-wisdom-books/psalms

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Thanks for all your hard work trying to prove you are as good as anybody, better than most and not as bad as some. You have proved that we all deserve to die and burn in Hell, and you show the evidence by dying yourself. Too bad dying is the sum total of everything you can put together, fool.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

The Bible is God's word given by Him for us to know Him. Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. God used chosen servants to record His word. This is what fools can't grasp, the Bible did not come by the will of men but by the Holy Spirit in God's chosen people. You're a fool, thanks for showing it.

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NowASaint(1380) Disputed
1 point

I don't know what you are talking about when you say you want proof of god's existence. What is "god"? I know you are the god of your imagination, a pitiful dying god that tries to pacify it's hopelessness by boozing.

I do know you will have proof of Hell if you keep saying God does not have the right to leave you in the fire. You are wrong, God is right, deal with it....and wino methods are a waste for dealing with reality.

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NowASaint(1380) Disputed
1 point

If you clowns could take one side or the other in the debate and admit you believe you live without God and want to die without God, I might allow you to converse here.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

The lyrics of a modern song are stuff that winos sing trying to make themselves feel better in their desire to die without God. Those are the lyrics of fools. The word of God is from Him, your lyrics are from your wine.

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AlofRI(3294) Banned
1 point

Thomas Edison said" "All Bibles are man made." "GOD" did not write a WORD of it. Whomever compiled the tales from long ago wrote whatever they imagined a god might say, whatever he could imagine was chiseled into the missing parts of the stone and Papyrus, or what part of the goat herders story he could swallow ... to make people think as HE did. HE was "GOD"S legend in his own mind! You may consider US fools for not believing what those believers believed, but, I need to hear from the author itself. Just like any other salesman, I don't believe what they are selling until I see the quality and see how it was made.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Thanks for all your hard work trying to prove you are as good as anybody, better than most and not as bad as some. You have proved that we all deserve to die and burn in Hell, and you show the evidence by dying yourself. Too bad dying is the sum total of everything you can put together, fool.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Sounds like Thomas Edison did not know God. God commanded and guided His chosen people to write down His Word. idiots like you don't get it because you deny the author of God's word, who is God.

I believe the only time you will hear directly from the Author apart from when you appear before the Judgement Seat of Christ will be in Hell when you hear the name Jesus and against your will your knees will bow to Him and your tongue will confess to the glory of God the Father that Jesus Christ is Lord.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

You don't want to hear from God, you reject His love, you reject His word, you reject Him and you think somehow He will not leave you alone, rejected, in Hell forever...You're a fool.

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NowASaint(1380) Disputed
1 point

If you clowns could take one side or the other in the debate and admit you believe you live without God and want to die without God, I might allow you to converse here.

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Callisto(5) Banned
1 point

You're a damn coward. You banned nearly everyone who tried to debate you over some BS reasons. Clearly all you want is to have people fall down at your feet and take your word as gospel. What a chicken.

Side: Want to die without God
Amarel(5669) Clarified Banned
2 points

He actually equates banning people to being the judge of souls and "banning" them to hell. He is a coward, but he is also a blaspheming, holier than thou simpleton who can't really get past empty assertions as his primary means of discussion. He is obsessive, which is really annoying. If he doesn't like your comment, he may leave 5 or 10 posts before you even check the site again.

You have stumbled on the worst character on this site. I recommend ignoring him, or he will try to drag you down.

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Callisto(5) Banned
1 point

Normally I try not to respond but this debate is ridiculous. He's banned 99% of the people trying to debate him. I agree with you, he's not worth anyone's time, he doesn't even know the meaning of the term "fool" as used in the bible when it was written.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Thanks for your twisted commentary, and since it seems you are trying to understand the analogy of me banning you from participation here is similar to how in death you are banned from participating with the living. I think you are starting to get the idea that if you die in your sins when your time is over, you are forever banned from God and will be left in Hell. God wants you making stupid arguments against Him less than I want you making stupid arguments against me.

If you don't like my methods and standards, which you have violated by doing nothing but attacking me personally, don't come to my discussions and I won't have to ban you and I won't be replying to your stupid comments.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

And yes I may leave five or fifty responses to the stupid comments you should not have made. Too bad for you, you don't know how to avoid consequences you don't like. Do you like my comment?

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

And yes I may leave five or fifty responses to the stupid comments you should not have made. Too bad for you, you don't know how to avoid consequences you don't like. Do you like my comment?

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

You go on and see if the promise of God to banish His enemies to the fire of Hell forever is an empty assertion. I think it's good to know there won't be fools arguing against God in His Kingdom and they will all one day be left in Hell. God would prefer that you repent of your sin and believe on the Son of God, but you probably won't. I don't want you to burn in Hell but by your own words and actions I have to believe you will burn in Hell.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Listen, idiot, if you would not come to my discussion acting like a fool you would not have to put up with me responding to you multiple times after I throw you out on your tail. If I could delete your stupid post here I would not have to read it and not have to be annoyed by your jack ass character.

By definition of idiot you are qualified because you don't like multiple responses after being banned yet you repeatedly act stupid knowing you will get banned and knowing I'm going to give you a piece of my mind about your rudeness. Take a hike, and try not to let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya, and don't pout.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Are you enjoying yourself now? Idiot. You know when you come here making multiple attacks and saying multiple stupid twists of your version of reality that I am going to ban you and make multiple replies. Cry baby, go join the others.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

If you find my response annoying, why do you provoke them? Idiot.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Why don't you shut up? Oh, I already silenced you here by banning you. Thank you for your absence. The place is much nicer without you.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

If you find my response annoying, why do you provoke them? Idiot.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

This is the first time I recall seeing you here, and with your foul mouth and stupid insult it is my pleasure to throw you out of my house. I read four words of your stupidity which would cost you some teeth in my stomping grounds so I bid good bye to bad rubbish and please try not to let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. Fool.

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NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Punk. Why do you have to go around looking for somebody to knock your teeth out? Fool.

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NowASaint(1380) Disputed
1 point

Why don't you shut up? Oh, I already silenced you here by banning you. Thank you for your absence. The place is much nicer without you.

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