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Yah, I believe in God.When I look at the universe, all the things on the world including human beings they must be having a source.All this can not just come out of nowhere so the maker and creator of all this I believe in Him
Do I believe in a supernatural entity that no one has ever seen , heard or touched but somehow exists ? That would be a no from me , god's power has changed over centuries.
He used to create universes and flood the entire Earth - now he can only manage to appear on toast.๐๐๐
Once again you make assumptions that I and others cannot even theorise how it came into being , why do you assume that when the total opposite is true ?
It's no surprise it's you who asks a question then gives the answer you want to the question you asked .
To say ' insert Atheism ' is again showing you do not even understand the term which is merely a position on one question alone and that is reagarding whether there's a god or not .
From the Scientist magazine
One of the many theories that you've never heard of is .....
Unlike the God theory, Chaotic Inflation makes very specific predictions about what we should find if it is true, and indeed we do find many of those things. Namely: that the universe is unimaginably huge the Hubble expansion the precise uniformity of the cosmic background radiation in the observable universe, in all directions the extraordinary โflatnessโ of the universe the absence of massive, negatively-charged particles (grand unified theories predict such particles, but we do not find them, and Chaotic Inflation is the simplest way to diffuse such particles) there were once several models that fit all the data, but recent discoveries about the angular wavelength of the cosmic background radiation have ruled out several theories, while Chaotic Inflation still stands that there are quarks and neutrinos with the specific properties we observe only dimensions and particles exist, which happens to be true .
There are many more theories also so there's no need to ' insert Atheism ' and it is amusing you accuse Atheists of exactly what believers do as in Godidit as the explain all
In order to prove the existence of anything, the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim that something exists. If there is counter-evidence, or the claim is not sufficiently strong, it's a perfectly natural response to argue for a different position.
I don't understand something.
If we don't understand something, the most intellectual position we can make is to try and understand it. Instead of putting a blanket statement of "God did it", which effectively suppresses all further intellectual reasoning, free thinkers look into things. We don't fully understand how the universe came to be, but the Big Bang theory has come about based on logical reasoning and supporting evidence for an expanding universe. The Big Bang theory isn't the only one out there; there is also evidence for the "Solid State" but scientists have mostly settled on the Big Bang as being the most probable given our current evidence.
Plenty of people who don't understand something use science and academia to fill the gaps. They don't have to be atheists; there are plenty of theist scientists out there. Furthermore, most people with sense don't say "God doesn't exist" but "God probably doesn't exist, but I could be wrong".
I think God is mean.
Ever read the Old Testament? It's full of questionable morality which turns many away from religion. And whilst the New Testament is less bloodthirsty, it's the same God in both. Also, which God are we referring to? There are plenty of gods the average theist doesn't believe in. Odin, Thoth, Huitzilopochtli...
Children die.
Again, that's counter-evidence for God's existence. You can counter-argue it by appealing to theology, but theology is directly linked to its associated traditions. Which theology does one use? There are many.
If all humans looked at the world in a more intellectual way, the majority of us would be Agnostics.
If we don't understand something, the most intellectual position we can make is to try and understand it.
Perhaps, but if you go that route and cannot understand or perceive everything about God, the next intellectual thing to do is to accept or decline rather than beat your head against the wall on a subject you cannot change the truth one way or the other on.
Ever read the Old Testament? It's full of questionable morality which turns many away from religion. And whilst the New Testament is less bloodthirsty, it's the same God in both. Also, which God are we referring to? There are plenty of gods the average theist doesn't believe in. Odin, Thoth, Huitzilopochtli...
Yep, I've read it, and have no problem with it. What I do have a problem with is Atheists that lie and distort what is in it. For example?
1)Atheists like to say "God condoned rape in the OT". False. Not because I want it to be, but because it is false. He even gives a list of punishments for it.
2)Atheists love to point out "God committing genocide" in the Bible.
Of course, by this standard, Grant was evil for having the Confederate soldiers killed in battle, despite trying to free the slaves. And the Canaanites were literally sacrificing babies to the devil by cooking them on a hot plate alive.
And of course, if God hadn't stopped it, that would then be the new Atheist position. "Why didn't God stop it?"
Again, that's counter-evidence for God's existence.
This is what we call an emotional appeal (as opposed to an intellectual appeal).
"I don't like Adolf Hitler. Hitler does not exist." is not an intellectual argument.
The amount of variables that God would have to look at when deciding if the ends justify the means are incalculable to the human mind (which is not an omniscient mind).
We don't fully understand how the universe came to be, but the Big Bang theory has come about based on logical reasoning and supporting evidence for an expanding universe.
In the Bible God said "let there be light", and the heavens were "stretched out".
If all humans looked at the world in a more intellectual way, the majority of us would be Agnostics.
I've watched agnostics and/or atheists in mass give me emotional appeal after emotional appeal after emotional appeal and not understand rather basic concepts. They often get mad and have cursing outbursts as well, so I'm not sold on your theory.
Ever read the Old Testament? It's full of questionable morality which turns many away from religion. And whilst the New Testament is less bloodthirsty, it's the same God in both.
You've invented some morality that if voted on would go split decision. God leads his people against cannibals and people that cook children alive, and the atheist "moral" thing to do is nothing apparently. He should have just allowed the cannibalism and baby cooks...
Of course, if you put 10 Conservative atheists and 10 liberal atheists in a room, they'd never agree on what is "moral" or "correct". I had a conservative atheist once tell me the only way to get peace in the world was to nuke the Middle East into oblivion and start over. So is that moral, immoral, other, intellectual, something else? And based on what, some objective atheist morality that is an oxymoron in and of itself?
The reason why we don't see impossible things happening anymore is because we have come to realize that it was just our misunderstanding of what had occurred. That lead us to believe that it was miraculous for a time.
Cause and effect are governed by the fundamental laws of nature. Just because we don't know the cause, that doesn't automatically mean that it was magic.
In ancient times the man who first claimed natural phenomenas as in eclipses of the sun , thunder and lightening , floods etc ,etc, was the work of a god or gods was all powerful ; witches were burnt at the stake for preforming childish conjuring tricks our ever increasing knowledge had left little room for charlatans , con men and wonder workers of the religious type to hold sway anymore .
You're correct if we don't know the cause it's just something we don't know which is the intellectually honest position to take
How do you know no one has ever seen, heard, touched.
I have heard God.
i have prayed in dangerous situations where everyone(groups) were made to face where only the group i belonged to was spared when. I only prayed 4days to the day.
Everyone had no hope of being spared.
You don't live the lives of others so stop talking about other people's life.
Many people know God but they are scared of being mocked by people like you....
I know you do because the truth hurts , I know because they have zero proof .
You have not heard god you've heard yourself talking to ... yourself.
Your touching tale is nonsense with no evidence for your wild assertions .
I don't know the lives of many and I'm not talking about their lives I'm merely pointing out what is fact as opposed to imaginings .
People are scared of ones like me because they realise their claims are nonsense one person praying aloud in public would be put in a loony bin do it in a crowd on Sunday and we got us a .....religion
"Your touching tale is nonsense with no evidence for your wild assertions "
Where first did you meet your wife. Give proof(irrefutable).
Is what you're today your childhood dream?
Give proof(irrefutable)
"People are scared of ones like me because they realise their claims are nonsense one person praying aloud in public would be put in a loony bin do it in a crowd on Sunday and we got us a .....religion"
They are scared because 'you' will call it nonsense, reck their reputation and also you said "would be put in a loony bin "
That is scary enough for people who have professional lives, social lives besides their religious lives.
You make them hypocrites and because they become shy of God, and keep their mouths shut eventually in the long run they accompany you to hell.
I can give you photos of our first meeting can you supply likewise ?
Your second question makes no sense , what are you trying to say ?
Yes I call it nonsense because that's exactly what it is , actually it's superstitious nonsense , and yes thank you for agreeing you's are all terrified of the truth ..... it may set you free
"I can give you photos of our first meeting can you supply likewise ?"
OMG....the first day you met your wife you started taking photos?
That was like 1980 something......
your lies have no limits.
plus even if you provide photos, it doesn't prove that was your first meeting.
"Your second question makes no sense , what are you trying to say ?"
That was just what i was trying to prove regarding your
"Your touching tale is nonsense with no evidence for your wild assertions ."
It's not everything you can prove especially on CD.
i can give proof still though because there were some papers i signed and other groups too around the same period indicating apportioned punishments while we were pardoned.
No , someone else did and I have more recent photos and that still leaves you with none , well you do require photos as proof I can supply why can't you ?
That was like 2000 years ago , your point is ?
No I cannot prove everything on CD but I can prove what you claimed I couldn't , leaving you with still no proof of your god after 2000 years .
You signing papers is proof of nothing except you signing papers , how about your god proof ..... silence follows I bet
Asking proof for a god is not done by intelligent people but asking proof for someone's wife is ๐๐๐๐๐ now that's beyond funny you truly are a dumb brute .....
Tell you what just give me a proof that can be verified by all that should be easy enough ?
We do have proof. You refuse to look. I know because I offered you my site, and... you didn't look. It shows me who does. So you're a hypocrite and a chickenshit. Whew. Point to bronto. 4-0.
What a surprise the site thick Jeffrey is butt buddies with the legless wonder , last week you wished death on my daughter now you wish suicide on me , as another on here said you're truly sick and you're getting no more aid money from me ๐
That's the problem for trolls such as you I know of what I speak unlike your make it up as you go along tactic .
I never doubted a guy called Jesus lived but your type claim a miracle working Jesus existed which is nonsense .
You believe in a miracle working Jesus for which you have zero evidence and one would think a miracle working messiah and his deeds would have been documented by at least one commentator , guess what zilch , nada , nothing recorded by historians from that era of this amazing miracle worker ( the gears slowly grind in your poor brain ) did that work for you dummy ?
Besides that now I've established Jesus was just an ordinary preacher where's your god evidence ?
i never doubted a guy called Jesus lived but your type claim a miracle working Jesus existed which is nonsense
A creator entering his creation and having awesome powers isn't nonsense. Virtual reality programmers do it all the time. Clown. It's not my fault that you can't think past your ankles.
well it actually is you idiot because first you have to prove he is a creator and that he had ' awesome powers , then maybe you could point everyone to the accounts of his' awesome powers' by ancient historians , bet you can't you dummy .
So you're saying if your creator had access to what programmers have he could do as they do ๐ Yes I know humans can do it without claiming to be ... god ๐ You truly are incredibly dense aren't you ?
well it actually is you idiot because first you have to prove he is a creator and that he had ' awesome powers , then maybe you could point everyone to the accounts of his' awesome powers' by ancient historians , bet you can't you dummy
Being an annoying, negative piece of shit makes you...
An annying piece of shit.
Hey dermot. Here's a glass of wine and a glass of poison. Poison you say? Idiot.
If you plead with Stain he may help you .... no sorry wait he also dismisses you as a dummy , and that's rather tragic one nut job dismissing another .... nut job
If you plead with Stain he may help you .... no sorry wait he also dismisses you as a dummy , and that's rather tragic one nut job dismissing another .... nut job
You just told Stain that he never wins debates, thus he blocks everyone. If you're going to be a whiney, annoying piece of dog shit, at least be a consistant whiney, annoying piece of dog shit.
So you're saying if your creator had access to what programmers have he could do as they do ๐ Yes I know humans can do it without claiming to be ... god ๐ You truly are incredibly dense aren't you ?
Wouldn't the programmer of Sim City be its God, or are you too stupid to understand common f*cking sense?
A pretty poor comeback but expected from the site dummy , so tell me have you got any accounts of your miracle worker by ancient historians .... I'm waiting ๐
You mean the book of horseshit ๐ Isn't that the one with a talking serpent ๐ ? The accounts of ancient secular figures ๐ You're talking ๐๐ด๐ฉ again , prove me wrong you mouth post the accounts up ..... I'm waiting dummy ๐ค
I never mentioned a magically manifested everything you dummy .
For someone that's 'clueless ' I keep schooling you but it's easy and fun as I see most others kick your ass as well ..... well we can't kick your legs can we ๐
You can look up secular accounts of Jesus. It's a mile long. Look it up b*tch. Choosing death over eternal life? Would you eat a dog shit if I gave it toyou? Of course you would. What logical person would seek a steak?
Ah right it's changed to ' secular accounts of Jesus ' and it's a mile long , so post it up .... bet you won't ๐
The rest of your rant makes no sense and incidentally it's only American half -wits call each other bitch , guess that makes you feel like a ' tough guy ' ..... it's not very convincing is it ?
The rest of your rant makes no sense and incidentally it's only American half -wits call each other bitch , guess that makes you feel like a ' tough guy ' ..... it's not very convincing is it ?
Don't be pissed when people mirror your behavior. Are non Americans clueless idiots?
The secular accounts of Jesus are common knowledge. You'd know that if you knew anything about religion. Google it. I've put as much effort into this debate as you, meaning? None.
If you don't know that Jesus is a Jew or that there are mega loads of early secular sources for Jesus, you're in over your head. It's like debating trig with someone who doesn't understand that 2+2=4. The emoticons make you appear to be handicapped mentally.
Your' e actually the ignorant one and it's you I'm embarrassing although you did a rather splendid job in that particular 'debate ' by demonstrating what a prize fuck -wit you truly are
So still refusing to offer your proof of 'secular accounts ' proving you're a mouth with no answers that 7 times I've asked you now , what's your next excuse ...... you hav'nt a leg to stand on ๐
"You believe in a miracle working Jesus for which you have zero evidence"
II. CHARGES OF MAGIC IN THE JEWISH TRADITION
By the beginning of the second century AD, Jewish tradition had firmly woven an accusation of Jesusโ magical activity into its anti-Christian polemic. The Tract Sanhedrin, the fourth tractate of the fourth set of six series which comprise the Mishnah (compiled in the second century AD) and later included in the Babylonian Talmud (compiled in the sixth century AD), contains an intriguing passage in which Jesusโ hurried trial, as reported in the Christian Gospels, is extended to a period of forty days to allow people to step forward and defend him. As a defence fails to emerge, the passage states that Jesus was executed as a sorcerer:
โOn the eve of the Passover Yeshu [Jesus] was hanged. For forty days before
the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, โHe is going forth to
be stoned because he has practised sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy.โ
(Sanhedrin 43a)
The Talmudic claim that Jesus performed his miracles using magic, along with reference to his illegitimate birth and a shameful death, may simply be Jewish-Christian polemic intended to damage Jesusโ reputation and therefore the historical accuracy of this story is questioned. However, the Talmud contains two further references to Jesus and the practice of magic. The first is contained within the concluding line of Sanhedrin 107b which reads:
โThe Teacher said: โYeshu practiced sorcery and corrupted and misled Israel.โโ
Celsus, a philosopher/historian who lived in the 70's/60's of the 2ND Century accused Jesus of being a sorcerer who gained his powers from egypt when his was a baby during the time they being persued by herod.
Still no evidence of a miracle working Jesus if so please show where it describes any miracle and a description of same ? .. you cannot , and no one can and one would think that various accounts of his awesome powers would have spread like wildfire but no , nada , zilch , zero
"Still no evidence of a miracle working Jesus if so please show where it describes any miracle and a description of same ? .. "
i gave you two links and you were done reading in less than twenty minutes(including you typing your reply)?
And then you reply;
"you cannot , and no one can and one would think that various accounts of his awesome powers would have spread like wildfire but no , nada , zilch , zero"
Yes that's all it took me to read the two I know your Ghanaian so it probably took you a year , so tell me where it mentions people witnessing the miracles of Jesus and where the descriptions are ?
Also speaking of intelligence you said that asking for proof of a living person was reasonable but asking proof of a god was unintelligent ๐ because you know you cannot offer any proof for a supernatural entity .... OUCH
How come you and your buddy cannot offer one reputable written source for your miracle working Jesus ?
I already have. You didn't look at my sites on any of your multi accounts. Pointless, because you're too stupid to know the difference. I can see your IP address. I can see the IP address of those who look. F12 is your friend. Like you even know or can know what that means.
other then the bible, written century after his supposed existence. Do you have and contemporary sources form the time of jesus that said he existed?
It seems that if jesus was real and existed, that it would e the single most important eent in history and would be recorded so individuals who rely on logic and reason would have a reason to accept it. However if there isn't, this is a game of sick peek a boo and hide and seek at the expense of a supposed soul. Which would make god kind of a jerk right? I mean if you can't give evidence and your not letting me see it, how can i reasonably make a decision for the god of the bible over the god of other books?
We haven't seen a shred of evidence for the magical nothing monster that manifested reality from its magical nothingness. Prove it exists. Hell. Prove any non theist event created reality. Hell, I'd take you making a rational and complete sentence at this point.
p1 - We haven't seen a shred of evidence for the magical nothing monster that manifested reality from its magical nothingness.
p1.1 - No one claimed that. Most athiests claim "I dont know" not "a magical nothing monster"
p1.2 - We haven't seen a shred of evidence for the magical God monster that manifested reality from its magical nothingness. Do you have evidence.
p2 - Prove it exists. Hell. Prove any non theist event created reality.
p2.1 - Your shifting the burden of proof, which means you positionis invalid. I have made no claim. you claim a god exists, can you define your god in a rational manor and show a demonstration of it.
p3 - Hell, I'd take you making a rational and complete sentence at this point.
p3.1 - If making a coherent sentence is the halmark of a rational position by default your cray cray friends in the other 'debate' had a run on sentence that was biblical in nature.
p3.2 - your attempt to dismiss the argument by dismissing the person making the argument shows the weakness of your claim that a god exists. Because you not addressing the issues.
example. Lets say you dismiss the nothing monster, that you show that the universe came from something not nothing (without defining nothing at this point). You still have yet to show a god did it, or specifically your god. It could be cosmos farting pixies. The person making the claim has to define it and then demonstrate it.
It takes just as much faith to not believe in God as it does to believe in God...Think about it, how is believing that the universe sprang from a infinitely dense point any less dependent of faith than believing that a greater being created the universe? Both religious people and atheists are relying on faith, the difference is that atheists have trouble admitting so.
It is the theistโs job to prove a god exists since in fact it is the theist who is making the claim. The theist is the claimant who is claiming something exists. Atheists are simply objecting to the notion that there is any reason to believe in a god since there is no evidence for it.
Going on your logic do use as much faith to not believing in unicorns ?
Why do you assume all atheists claim that the universe sprang from an infinitely dense point ?
Which one?? The god of love MORE often seems to be the god of hate. Whichever one it is seems to have hatred for S/HE/ITS "constituents. They are flooded, diseased, murdered, maimed, starved, etc. .... and there is only the "ONE was saved ... out of 50! It's a "miracle"!
As Voltaire said: "God is a comedian, playing to an audience to afraid to laugh."
There aren't a thousand choices. There are 5 religions with any numbers. Buddhism, which is nontheistic. Hinduism, which worships demons according to itself. Islam, which mentions Jesus. Judaism, which prophecied... Jesus. And Christianity, which is about Jesus.
Liberals DO NOT "always" argue that god is a liberal. Jesus WAS definitely since he didn't, allegedly, agree with many of todays American conservative ways. He cared about the poor, the sick, the hungry, the abused women, (all, allegedly). He didn't like an authoritarian government, wanted the rich to give their money to the poor .... on and on, he was definitely NOT a conservative, if one can believe the New Testament. I WOULD say "God" was a LOT more like a conservative, not a liberal. He demanded "loyalty", he was often cruel, to my way of thinking, he didn't seem open to open thought, seemed to not want us to think, just obey and follow his instructions, believe everything he said .... a lot like the top conservative of today, don'cha think?? No I don't know of ANY liberal that thinks God was anything but a conservative .... Jesus and God .... kind of like Ronald and Ron jr. Another reason I'm an Atheist.
Liberals DO NOT "always" argue that god is a liberal. Jesus WAS definitely since he didn't, allegedly, agree with many of todays American conservative ways
Christians believe Jesus is God. So there went that bs argument. Logical fallacies are not our friend.
Not ALL Christians, for instance SaintNow admonished me for saying Jesus was God. Anyway, I see little similarity between the two entities. OT/ NT, VERY different. Anyway, religion and logic have the same problem ... very different.
Not actually. The OT talks about God's mercy, His love, His forgiveness, his judgement. The NT does the same. The final book of the NT says what again?Save us from the wrath and judgement of the lamb? Who is "the lamb" again?
He demanded "loyalty", he was often cruel, to my way of thinking, he didn't seem open to open thought, seemed to not want us to think, just obey and follow his instructions, believe everything he said
So God was born in Hawaii and raised in Indonesia?
A thousand and one gods are not God. You are pretending to be talking about God when you are talking about gods which are not God, you are arguing against your own consciously created straw man which is not God and saying "gods are not God" and you really sound stupid yet you fool atheists act smug with your robotic stupid statements.
However, I'm honoured that a lunatic such as you is terrified out of his wits to even be able to address what I say (or read it, if applicable) and has to resort to such obvious lies as excuses.
Considering how much you used to rant on about me ending up in hell, you have always been far too weak and feeble minded to talk against my word. It's pitiful that you still tried to, and managed to anger me. Now the whole of your religion will have to pay for your mistaken self-worth.
Or, of course, you can stand up for what you believe, considering that it's a debate website after all, and convince me that you're not just a part of some cult of zombies, and I'll leave ending your religion to the antagonist you fantasise about.
(I can still tell you any time of the day that it's just a joke you don't need to worry about, so think of that as a disclaimer.)
You're psychotic/sociopath who has made serious threats against me and many others and I have no interest in reading your posts. People in authority are watching you, they will read your posts, I have seen enough for my own interest, I'm sorry to say it looks like you are going to wake up in Hell trying to justify your existence outside of it's fire.
The last thing I need is a lunatic telling me how surveillance works. I already explained that to you when you were able to address my word better, despicable stain.
I wonder how long you intend to put up this childish parade for.
I don't know why you write responses to my comments, I won't read them due to the threats you have made. Your threats have ended any interest I have in your comments; your repeated insistence that you can live outside of Hell forever has been noted and I've turned my back on you and walked away.
You again? Why do you keep acting like you think I'm going to read your responses? You've made serious threats against myself and others and I have no interest in anything you say.
Why do you keep acting like you think I'm going to read your responses?
Because I'm confident that you're not a little child that can just cry, since you're done more things than that in the past.
As to "threats", well, don't worry about them. You seem too old and unhealthy to worry about them anyway, so there's no reason why you should be crying over any of that.
Not interested in your posts, I quit reading your stuff after you made repeated serious threats against myself and many others. You are being watched, and I am not going to be seen is if I am conversant with you, I want nothing to do with you. You need to be saved.
Yeah, this little stain here has managed to annoy me. I've done little more than destroying his arguments or spinning his words back at him, and now he's trying to act all offended on me, and that makes me feel like we're playing out some poorly crafted comedy scenes - the likes of which one laughs on how they can even pass as funny.
Because of the threats you have made, I do not read one word of your response.....I see your name, remember your threats, and want nothing to do with you except to encourage those who are watching you to watch you closely.
I wonder how long you intend to put up this childish parade for.
As to encouraging them, I'd recommend you wait another 8 years to file any charge... that's also around the time some of you seem to predict the rapture, so the wait shouldn't be so boring. You have my word that I won't ask the courts to dismiss you because 'it's been too long' - you can bookmark this comment to use it there if you doubt me. (Due to, of course, reasons I've already explained.)
Please quit responding to my posts, I do not read your responses due to the threats you have made against me and many others, I want you to stay away from me....unless you get saved which you have made it clear you will not, so I have to assume you intend to make good on your threats and I want you to stay away from me.
You are psychotic, you have made serious threats against me and others and I want you to leave me alone. What is so hard about that? Why can't you just stop addressing me with your posts? I do not read them, I will not read them, I will only repeat what I have said.........I hope the people who are watching you keep close tabs on you. I am not watching you. I don't want to see you.
I want you to leave me alone. You are psychotic, obsessive, and by your own words you are dangerous and I want you to stay away from me, not try to talk to me, and leave me alone.
All you are doing is harassing me because you are psycho and cant' stop.
I sound stupid to you, you sound at least as stupid to me. We simply have different opinions and beliefs. That's not stupid, it's what makes human beings the most intelligent species on the planet .... although, lately, I think we're losing ground. ;-)
Can you define your god? Since i dont know what god your talking about, and you assume that your god is "the god", can you clarify your statement please..
1 - Your claim is debunked by a simple 1 minute search on the internet.
2 - saying I believe in what americans think of America is rather stupid, some think America is horrible, its a christian nation, or its #1. So when you make a claim you have to define it and be able to answer questions on it.
3 - does you god approve of and support slavery as commanded in the old and new testiment
4 - and defining things by using other peoples definition is not "can You define your god?"
it is you who is talking about gods which are not God. God is God, things that are not God may be called God or gods, but they are not God.
Why don't you just admit that you do not know or understand God, instead of pretending that you do not have the brains to understand that only God can be God?
oh dear god. . .seriously. . . my heterosexual life mate debtor. .
Your not being honest. I asked you to define your god in a rational way and demonstrate it. The fact that you refuse and choose not to, leads me to believe you have no god (besides allah) and you have no means to demonstrate him, or your so insecure in your ability to defend him that your scared to
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Why don't you just admit that you do not know or understand God, instead of pretending that you do not have the brains to understand that only God can be God?
I dont not know which go you speak of, so is it thor, zues, the god of the bible who sexually molested a girl to make up a loop hole in a rule he made even though hes all seeing. So
Can you define your god in a rational way? and if you do so, can you then domonstrate that he exists. Cuase if not, your failing god and this claim.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
I believe if God studies hard, joins some clubs, goes to practice after school, he has a decent chance of getting accepted into a good college. Go God! I believe in you!
(You said answer with wit)
But P.S., I expect after he gets there he's going to drink a lot, probably pledge a fraternity, and maybe get caught hanging out with unsavory characters. Devil, I'm looking at you man. If God ends up a flunk out I'm going to assume you were a bad influence.
But P.S., I expect after he gets there he's going to drink a lot, probably pledge a fraternity, and maybe get caught hanging out with unsavory characters
Jesus did all of those things. That's kind of why Catholics drink and so do many Protestants. He hung out with a prostitute and many other "bottom dwellers". That's why we relate to him.
The people who accused Jesus of hanging out with prostitutes and bottom dwellers were themselves bottom dwellers in their arrogance, and Jesus called them children of Hell of their father the devil. You are talking like one of them when you say Jesus hung out with prostitutes and bottom dwellers, and you are helping Satan keep the blinders of the minds of people who appreciate your twisted ideas of faith.
Jesus did not hang out with prostitutes and bottom dwellers, He had a purpose and focused on that purpose everywhere he went. He was not a bar fly like you are implying, hanging out with prostitutes and bottom dwellers. Maybe you are a barfly, you sure are foul mouthed enough to be one, you disgrace the name of Christ by ignoring and twisting His word.
You're a disgrace. Jesus did not hang out anywhere with anybody. He was was on a mission. You probably hang out around bars, guessing by the way you talk, doing nothing but passing time. Jesus was not like you, and if you have a Bible which says He was hanging anywhere other than on the cross on Calvary, you need to burn in.
I usually regret reading your garbage, and it's only by accident that I ever read it but when I saw you portraying Jesus as a barfly and Grenade cheering for how you portrayed the Lord I had to rebuke you.
I won't be reading your garbage, you are full of it. Read the passage yourself, moron. It was people who hated Jesus who accused Him of what you call "hanging out with sinners". You are agreeing with the, implying Jesus just hung around with nothing better to do, with no purpose other than self-indulgence.
You do not come anywhere close to how much I have read and studied the Bible, you're just all about glorifying your own stupid opinion regardless of what the Bible says and it's kind of sickening to me seeing you have such and unstoppable motor mouth and you present yourself as if you think you are a leader.
I would not ask you for Bible verses on anything. I know you are going to twist the Bible to support your misguided opinions and you are going to ignore the Bible when it directly says you are wrong.
Thank God. Verses ver batum are meaningless to you. That says all I need to know. Phariseeism is Satan's ugly twin. Wolves in sheep's clothing are a dime a dozen. Off ya go.
Maybe you are a barfly, you sure are foul mouthed enough to be one, you disgrace the name of Christ by ignoring and twisting His word.
Peter cursed the people out and denied Christ 3 times. Was he a foul mouthed hellbound piece of sinning trash if he died right at that moment, or at the end of the day, did Christ simply ask Peter if he loved him? And now answer if Peter went to hell or if he "has the keys to Heaven and is the rock upon which the church stands"? And if he is the possessor of the keys to Heaven after acting with the temperment of Brontoraptor, now explain to us the logic behind you saying that "I am hellbound", and if Peter and I have a similar temperment, and you cannot provide a coherant rebuttal, aren't you simply a judgemental hypocrite that is no different than those who had Christ killed?
You are justifying your foul mouth by comparing yourself to Peter when Peter turned his back on the Lord and ran away? Really? You want to be like Peter when Peter was at his worse? You make excuse for being a barfly foul mouth, justifying yourself by saying Peter did it?
As I recall, motormouth, when Peter heard the cock crow after he cursed in denying the Lord, he went out and wept bitterly knowing how he had betrayed the Lord exactly as foretold. And you justify your cursing by saying Peter did it? I think it's time for you to look at yourself the way Peter looked at himself and saw what a horrible sinner he was.
I'm done. I'll try to ignore you, but sometimes your stuff which you claim is in the name of the Lord is so sickening I might feel compelled to rebuke you again in the future even though I know you are far to proud to be corrected on anything.
I don't justify anything. The difference between you and me is that I admit I'm a sinner. You are convinced that you are not. Self righteousness is the very worst of all the sins of the devil. So much so that it was why Adam and Eve were tossed from paradise.
As I recall, motormouth, when Peter heard the cock crow after he cursed in denying the Lord, he went out and wept bitterly knowing how he had betrayed the Lord exactly as foretold.
By your standard, it would have just depended on WHEN Peter died, which is mindless. If Peter had died when the rooster crowed, he would have been brontoraptor-esque, and according to your own account, he would have went to hell. But because of convenient timing... he died after, thank God and NowaSaint, and was allowed to go so far as to have the keys to Heaven and be the Rock that hell could not prevail against. Your logic is beyond boggling and very unBiblical.
And you justify your cursing by saying Peter did it? I think it's time for you to look at yourself the way Peter looked at himself and saw what a horrible sinner he was.
Actually his response after the rooster was that he cut off a man's ear and began a feud with the Apostle Paul. Anything else?
You've said this to me many many times. Isn't lying a sin. And if it is a sin, doesn't that simply make you just as big of a piece of sinning crap as me? I expect no rebuttal... once again.
Titus 3:10-11..............A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
even though I know you are far to proud to be corrected on anything.
1) The mirror is your friend.
2) The Pharisees went around "correcting" like it was going out of style. Notice that I don't do a lot of "correcting". Probably because I prefer to not be a judgemental hypocrite sinner, but whatever... Heck, they even "corrected" Christ himself, the "glutton and friend of sinners who didn't wash his hands before eating and ate unclean foods and drank alcohol..." Of course, being faithful to God has little to do with being good in the site of man. Being good in the site of man means you say nice things even if they are lies, condone man on man sex just to be nice, act like a self righteous zealot hypocrite, make a lot of money, and condone people when they are not so different from you. Want to continue?
If you are done, I'm the Boogey Man and a squid trapped in a human body. I'll take the pest trophy and hang it on my wall. As a matter of fact, I'll take the pest trophy and make a duplicate, then hang it on my wall twice just to prove I can. Then I'll take a picture of the two trophies and send them to you just be a prick like you. Sound nice thou hypocrite? If you ever want me to make a debate that cites all the times you contradicted and made a hypocrite of yourself, just say the word. That list and that debate runs? Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.... That well runs? Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.... My amount of arguments I could use against you runs? Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep............
You already read it, otherwise you couldn't have known how to respond. The sin of lying is going to kill you on NowASaint-onomics 101. You'd better hope God has a little more "grace" than you had presupposed. Off ya go.
Here's you a little FYI Saint. Before I fought in a war, and lost my legs and my ability to walk, I made you look like the Devil Himself. I was the nicest kid you'd ever met. So as far as I'm concerned, based on the fact that I still have faith, you can take your judgemental hypocritical position and kiss my ass, and then go fight for your country, or shut your ignorant mouth.
So ignore "love thy enemy". Very good. Cherry picking is actually quite a talent. The Devil is the best of all creatures as it. If you knew what PTSD was, you'd know your logic sucks more than is even possibly imaginable.
Yeah? God loved warriors and people who were ready to fight in the Bible. You're sitting at home safe and sound because of people like me. You're welcome. We sacrificed more than our bodies to allow you to stuff your face with Big Macs and happily condemn the world. If you had any sense of PTSD, you'd get to see reality through a lens that you cannot see out of now and never will. I think those commands not to judge are pretty serious commands. You don't seem to think so.
You are a heretic, if you would get your thinking in line with the word of God you would have victory over your problems; past, present, and future. You are operating in your feelings, not by the word of God. Get over it. Jesus gives victory.
You do not know where I have been, you do not know the trials I have had, you are not the only person who has faced and does face difficulties. You should be thanking God for every moment of time He gives you in this word with or without legs, and you should be thanking Him for taking your legs and leaving you in this world because He is good. You are acting like a whiner, not acting like a Christian which is an over comer. Get over yourself and quit making excuses for being emotional about yourself. I would rather be sitting in your chair with no legs now than to have went through the things I went through......you have no idea, son. What you are dealing with to me seems like a walk in the park compared to what I went through. I am no stranger to combat, more than once I ran into the battle because it was the right thing to do with no thought for myself.
You are a motor mouth, you could learn from me but you are so stinking full of yourself. You have not been through half of what I went through and you have not studied the Bible one fourth as much as me....and I'm guessing I'm old enough to be your father if not your grandfather. You will probably continue with your ramblings and continue blindly practicing and promoting the grace heresy and when I am ignoring you, you will say a hundred lies about me and what I know the Bible clearly teaches regarding personal holiness. You need to learn to show some respect and quit whining.
There were many wicked warriors in the Bible, far more wicked ones than godly ones, all mighty men of valor but most of them wicked and God sent His angel to kill hundreds of thousands of them. You need to read your Bible more and run your mouth less.
You are judging me, genius.................people who use that childish accusation are ignorant of scripture and guilty of the exact thing they are trying to accuse the other person of.
I am here because God put me here, God used you in battle for some reason which He knows and apparently you are confused about. You need to get in the Book and stay in it until you get victory over your whining and learn to be thankful to God in and for all things as we are commanded to do.
Jesus and the apostles went through a lot more suffering than you, and you never see them whining about it in the Bible. I follow them as I follow Christ, I read His word which He gave through holy men of God who spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
You don't know James said "count it all joy when you fall into diverse temptations"?.......you need to spend more time in the word and ask God to give you victory and joy in your salvation so you can be thankful in and for your problems.
Nope. I used to, but I was raised that way and have been able to wise up to the drivel I was taught. There is no proof of God other than a man made book. There is more evidence in scientific research like evolution, so I choose to trust science rather than a fantasy.
Believing in God is exactly like believing in unicorns. Both were made up by humans and both have books about them, but of course people believe one over the other despite there being no evidence of either.
But seriously, people tend to grow out of these things when they realize that there is nothing to suggest the existence of a god aside from anecdotal evidence, which I believe is faulty in itself.
Anecdotal evidence is only useful in disputing an unfair generalization (ex. All Canadians are brunettes. "My friend is a blonde and she is Canadian." Done.)
I believe that God may or may not exist and we cannot definitively know one way or the other. I think it is arrogant for anyone (atheist or theist) to claim there is "definitely a god" or "definitely no god". We don't know. We can make an educated guess, and as someone who is both a former atheist and a former theist, I respect both sides, as long as you accept there is always a possibility (however tiny) that you could be wrong.
I think it's less probable that a god that exists is one claimed by any religion.
Do I believe in God? I feel like that question is asked of people more than any other. I grew up not going to church but I still have some beliefs. Yes, I believe there is someone somewhere up there that made us and helps us. No, I don't believe in a lot of the things that the majority of the religions believe. I don't actually quite get why it is a big deal that someone believes something different from someone else. I believe that there are multiple gods of multiple things.