Does becoming atheist automatically make you 'Intelligent'?
No one can choose to be atheist. You either believe in God or you do not. If someone doesn't believe in God but still go to church and tries to convince themselves there is a God, is still an atheist. Therefore, the process of becoming atheist can also not be a choice.
The average atheist is statistically more intelligent than the average Christian. However, I see the reason to believe that the transition from Christian to Atheist means they are more intelligent than others.
No, as I explained already, becoming an atheist does not make you more intelligent.
Explain how among top 10 highest IQ's, 6 are christians, 2 other religions and 2 atheists??
I learnt that in maybe 7th grade - you'd think I had have forgotten it but it is actually just common sense. There are 7 billion humans on Earth. If we want to draw conclusions about them we must make a random sample that is random enough and big enough to represent those 7 billion. Selecting choosing the most intelligent, and only 10 of them, is not a representative sample. Hope you understand. I generally teach younger children than 7th grade so not sure how well I have explained it.
You are yet one more Homosexual person on this site that is an anti Christian bigot. I have found that the great majority of vocal anti Christian bigots on these debate sites are Gay, because their insecurity hates if anyone else's faith teaches Homosexuality to be a sin.
GET OVER IT! Why care what other's believe if you are secure with who you are?
We all know how the Left constantly judges Christians. We are secure with our faith, and have no need to pass laws forcing every state to sanction it.
because their insecurity hates if anyone else's faith teaches Homosexuality to be a sin.
How do you think many Christians treat homosexuals? Do you think if you are constantly being told your lifestyle is a sin and your actions will lead you to hell, just because of who you love, you would embrace religion? Especially with how many Christian act towards homosexuals.
Why care what other's believe if you are secure with who you are?
Well then why do you care if he's an anti-Christian bigot?
(Not saying he is but that's what you called him)
Basically to put it in reverse, you are disgusted and annoyed by a thought that what you are (a Christian) means you lack intelligence. You feel attacked by it. Don't you think homosexuals feel attacked when some Christians are constantly saying they are sinners and going to hell? You dislike the anti-Christian bigots as much as they dislike Christian bigots.
I don't mean this as a dispute, but I would like for you see that your anger at being represented in a way you don't necessarily feel is accurate, is how they feel too.
@FromWithin, "You are yet one more Homosexual person on this site that is an anti Christian bigot. I have found that the great majority of vocal anti Christian bigots on these debate sites are Gay, because their insecurity hates if anyone else's faith teaches Homosexuality to be a sin.
GET OVER IT! Why care what other's believe if you are secure with who you are?
We all know how the Left constantly judges Christians. We are secure with our faith, and have no need to pass laws forcing every state to sanction it."
Everything you just said is an inversion of the truth (with the possible exception that Homosexual may in fact proportionally more angry with Religious Fundamentalists such as yourself because they have very high grievances due to your beliefs and how you act on them which they are rightly outraged by). Aside from that small concession, everything else you stated was analogous to claiming Night is Day, Black is White, Up is Down. (Doublethink much??)
Your slogan/Signature should state:
"war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength" -1984, Orwell
Being an atheist absolutely does not "automatically make you intelligent". Religion is an illness of the mind which attacks an individual's ability to understand reason, but it is not contracted exclusively by stupid people. The most common denominator is youth. Children have less developed mental functions and hence it is much easier to brainwash them and/or confuse them between fantasy and reality. But religion is different to many other childish things in that it is significantly more difficult to simply grow out of. Perhaps because the level of commitment the brain has to make is more significant, or perhaps because the beliefs are reinforced through peers.
I have to admit, it's hard to not feel superior to someone who believes that an invisible giant in the sky is watching over them. A giant so powerful that it created the universe, yet it cares about our sex lives. An all powerful, all knowing God who can't manage money very well and needs donations.
ROFLOL, the most insecure bigots on this site, such as yourself, actually believes that there was a huge sky daddy explosion in the sky creating a big bang from NOTHING, that somehow magically started the first living cell, even though no one knows how, and that the likes of such a person is going to preach to others on their beliefs?
ROFLOL, what insecure fools you are! Newsflash, NO ONE HAS ALL THE ANSWERS AND FOR INSECURE FOOLS LIKE YOU TO JUDGE AND PREACH AGAINST CHRISTIANS, MAKES YOU A COMPLETE IDIOT!
@FromWithin, "...actually believes that there was a huge sky daddy explosion in the sky creating a big bang from NOTHING, that somehow magically started the first living cell, even though no one knows how..."
Well, that is not quite the vision that modern science suggests.... LMAO
Neither being an atheist nor being religious makes you smarter. What makes you smarter is having good reasons for why you are either one. Those of us who challenge religion simply don't think the "do this because you were told so and if not oh you'll be sorry" is a good reason for being either one.
It takes just as much thought and effort to dismiss something on hearing as it does to accept something on hearing.
Are there clever and crafty atheists? Sure, but they are wicked, so who cares? They claim to have no gods, but they are obviously pagans. They clearly have their gods, they are just in denial of them. Besides the obvious pagans like the ones who worship culture and other transient vanities, there are the satanists who take themselves as being gods.
Atheism is a position that stems from ignorance, petulance, and maybe peer pressure? Not any great insight.
The idea that atheism is a scientific position is a lie perpetuated by atheists.
There are MANY in religions FAR more intelligent than myself. As Atrag says, believing or NOT believing is not a measure of intelligence. Believing is a choice, not believing is a choice. I think those who believe in "facts" that are as "provable" as possible, rather than believing in mythology that has few, if any, facts to back it up, show a level of intelligence above believers in fairy tales and myths.
If I see ANY "facts" reasonably provable to support a religion, other than words written by "believers in myths", I will gladly become a believer in that religion.
Intelligence is a relative thing. I think I am "relatively dumb" compared to many in this present world or earlier. That would not improve if I followed a mythical religion. It does not improve by being an atheist. I simply can't believe things that are said that I MUST believe ... 'cause HE said I must!
If "HE" shows up and gives me the order, I'll become "intelligent".
Becoming an atheist is nothing but putting up a mental block wall in your mind
A wall blocking an invisible sky fairy which you invented and have no empirical support for is a good wall. I just hope it's sturdy so you don't break it down and kill everyone who doesn't believe you, as you guys are frequently prone to doing.
Don't read this, Dermot, it's not for you, it's for others....you insist on proving that you have the right to live outside of Hell, so prove it. This response is for anybody who might think they could possibly be wrong about their belief in atheism. You think you are better, smarter, and stronger than God and that makes you a fool.....so there is no point in trying to get you to see the light.
You want to see God like a criminal wants to see a police officer. It is not God who is hiding, it is you....you can know God is there but you want to deny Him because you don't want Him telling you what to do or not to do.....you make that wall harder and harder like your own steel coffin, want your mental block wall and you won't let it down, atheism is a choice and in it you make a fool of yourself. You scoff at God because you walk according to your lusts and your deeds are evil and you know it. You prefer darkness over light, you won't let that wall down......you are too chicken for that, too proud......and you hate me for telling you the truth so I try to avoid reading you. Really this reply is for others who may be open to the truth, I know you have hardened that mental block wall like your own steel coffin.
The wall is crumbling down, you can't keep it up....you will see God one day as your Judge if not as your Savior, you will know He is Jesus Christ and you won't like it when you see Him.......if you will not repent of your sin, believe on Him, and receive Him as your Savior to be saved from Hell.
Go on with your mental block....all you get with it is death, smarty pants.
I know you hate me for telling you the truth and it was probably better for me to have avoided reading your stuff like I usually do....
It was not difficult for me to find God is there.....after I was willing to admit that I deserve to die and burn in Hell for my sins. You are too proud to admit that you deserve to die and burn in Hell forever for your sins, so you won't let that wall down. One day it will fall and you will see Jesus Christ, He is God but you won't believe it (will you?) and you won't believe Hell is forever even if you are frying like an eternal sausage there...will you?
No. In my view, there are about three main divides between people that I will illustrate now in terms of a metaphor:
(1) People who do not know/are unaware that there is giant puzzle board left for us to be figured out (concerning the Universe)
(2) People who do understand that there is a giant puzzle board there to figure out
(3) People who understand that there is a puzzle to be solved, however instead of working on the seemingly endless massive real puzzle board, have developed and solved their own trivial 10 piece miniature puzzle board and insist that its solved
Now, what I am driving at with the Puzzle Board metaphor is that there are innumerous questions about the Universe that require explanation (some being very fundamental such as, What are we? How are we alive? Why do think naturally fall down and not up (on Earth)?ect. ect.). Furthermore, questions that need to be addressed not just about the Universe in the traditional scientific sense (e.i. through Physics, Biology, ect.) but also questions of human history, how it is best to form a human society in order for people to flourish to the best of their ability, Philosophical questions, ect. Now, the way that this ties in with Religion and Atheism is in a few ways. First, many people (I used to be one of them when I was a teenager) go about their lives not understanding that there are deep, fundamental, questions that require explanation (e.i. they basically do not understand what Science and many other academic disciplines are about, what they have been working on, and answers they have found so far). Now, many now athiests/agnostics, such as myself, became athiests/agnostics, once they were in some way exposed to this Big Puzzleboard and learned about the general history of it, why and who has been working on it, ect. and are thus exposed to Science, critical thinking, ect. Other athiests may have always been raised with an awareness of Science, ect. and are thus "on board" with the Big Puzzle Board. Yet others may have once thought they had answers in terms of their trivial, miniature puzzle board and were in some way exposed to the real one. Now, if a person is not aware of the "Big Puzzle Board" and in no way is attempting to understand where we are at this point (what pieces of the puzzle have been filled in and what is left to fill in) on the project or attempt to work on it themselves in some fashion in hopes of contributing some piece to the puzzle (however small or large or even if they fail), then there is no possible way they could be considered "intelligent". Rather, they would be considered wholly ignorant, oblivious, intellectually lazy, ect. As you may have guessed, Fundamentalist religious belief is analogous to (3), people who believe they have their pathetic, miniature, 10 piece puzzle board filled in and that is that. Now, it is possible that such a person could ALSO work on the real puzzle board and attempt to come up with some kind of ridiculous rationalization of how that fits their tiny puzzle, but it is giving them a serious handicap and distorted view of reality. Now, as for "moderate" religious people of various strands, the can fall into categories (1) or (2) and therefore there is a very large distribution of intelligence within this grouping. There is still an issue however with them attempting to water down the tiny puzzle and say that this enormous real puzzle somehow all fits inside of the framework of the tiny one. So, in short, if a person is in category (1) they are not intelligent because they are completely clueless, if they are in category (2) they are POTENTIALLY intelligent (depending on their knowledge of the Puzzle and how good they are at contributing further to it), category (3) are even worse then clueless. Both "moderately" religious and non-religious people are included in category (2) so you would expect the same sort of Bell Curve distribution of intelligence inside of that framework as if you took the population as a whole (although if you are in category (2) almost definitely more intelligent than people in categories (1) and (3)).
If you don't know wtf I'm talking about, you are in either category (1) or (3).
No it doesn't , but if becoming a Christian makes one automatically stupid your post would seem to suggest an answer in the affirmative.
It's quiet funny that you keep insisting at least once weekly people say they are atheist so as to appear to others as intelligent people ; so you admit to say one is a Christian means people judge you as stupid
What belief are atheists trying to support with science ?
Why would they suspect science was a hoax ?
Why do you say science is a hoax as in the theory of evolution?
Bet as usual you cannot answer so you can flee as usual
Actually when you have an " intelligent argument " why not post it up on my latest which asks believer the very questions you accuse us of avoiding ; you won't do that though will you as you prefer to resort to cowardly attacks that are meaningless .
There is no " Atheism dictionary " and to accuse Atheists of bigotry is a laugh considering your whole post is a hate filled tirade against atheists
Why would they suspect science was a hoax ?
Why do you say science is a hoax
Stop twisting points and using science in general to represent research/theory.
Or with a mixture of pleasure and anger i will ban you; solution.
A research must be proven before accepted as science, which darwinism still fails to but with thousands of believers of Atheism in the community, it has been forced into the system though better scruitinity proves it doesn't qualify to be science.
And by this an atheist will predictably call anyone opposing specifically the scam, fraud pseudo-science as an all round science hater as a usual strategy for preserving his faith and will therefore proceed to say he is intelligent than the opposer without even looking as the counter argument being presented; bigotry is very smbolic of the pseudo intelligence of all atheists who believers in darwinism(there are atheists who debunk darwinism).
Indeed people who deny science must be illiterates but here is the case where what is being called science is not science in the first place, it does not qualify to be science but contradicts a lot of actual scientific principles. It is a myth hyped by the atheist religion which unfortunately have themselves in high authority positions in the scientific community and promoting the myth in schools and now these young darwinians appeal to these authorities without understanding what the myth actually is saying and how it totally contradicts science and rather makes them haters of scientific logic.
You say .....Stop using science to represent research /theory ππ Ok , what will we use instead ..... religion ?
Of course you can ban me it's your only option as that what cowards do , also you're to cowardly to make your case on my debate and I won't ban you .... but hey I'm an atheist
Atheism has nothing to do with Evolution ; also Evolution is accepted as FACT by most rational humans a class I'm afraid you're not a part off .
Yes , you stated you have a " counter argument " to Evolution but as yet the science world has not recognised that Jeffrey has destroyed the argument for Evolution whys that do you think ?
So Evolution is "pusedoscience " but the alternative theories are " real science " but you cannot post them up .....Ooooookkkkπ
Your argument from assertion is ridiculous and as usual you do not have even one accepted "theory " to back your primative superstitious claims up do you ?
You will notice how most Atheists blindly go along with political correctness whereby unnatural sexual orientations are sanctioned as normal even though it flies in the face of scientific biology.
When it comes to political correct issues, these same so called "intelligent" people, who supposedly possess the art of critical thinking, become PC morons.
An intelligent person does not blindly follow the crowd to be liked and accepted by society. No, he possesses the character and integrity to stand by his convictions no matter that political correct peer groups will judge him.
How can they be unnatural if nature produces them?
Sad thing illiterates can assume atheists and automatically expect their monoric talks accepted as intelligent .
Compatibility a major principle of nature.
Nature says compatible is when north and south come together simple as; opposites attract.
Uneducated animals in the jungle prove to be more literate than some homo-sapiens when these animals fight bloody combats just to win the opposite sex.
When you put a battery in torch light, yes it will light(sensible), that is the product; Light.
You will call someone insane when he shapes stones and put it in a torchlight expecting it to light(sensibility but not possible here) instead of a catapult for attacks.
Yes nature makes male and female.
Yes a factory produces torchlight and battery.
Use the dick on the vagina.
Put the battery in the torch.
Don't use the dick on another dick holder, he has no design for that purpose, thay makes the female unique
Don't put a torch in a torch but rather a battery, that makes the battery unique....
there will be no light....no sense...senseless...insanity...needs to be fixed...but there are illiterates graduates backing it....benefit of the doubt they are supposed to be intelligent as graduates.....analysing deeply they aren't....mockery, mediocre, blasphemy to what intelligence really means.
Using the excretory organ as a sexual organ won't evolve it into a sexual organ in forever except in your loco imaginations.
Can't you see how the vagina is designed? Externals and internals are just right for the dick and nothing else.
The anus breaks after prolong misuse(indeed) and these guys have to result to using diapers at adult ages. Such disgust....tolerating falling faeces of adults at school, work, parties, restaurants, train, barbering shop, stadium, Military Parade etc.....talkless of the STD's .....
@FromWithin, "You will notice how most Atheists blindly go along with political correctness whereby unnatural sexual orientations are sanctioned as normal even though it flies in the face of scientific biology."
Can you please get off the Sexual Orientation/Gender and Abortion arguments for every single comment and formulate opinions on separate issues that you are willing to discuss?
Also, there is nothing about being an atheist that therefore makes you "pro-choice" or supportive of sexual orientations/genders that differ from the traditional view, or "PC" or (insert any other topic aside from the existence of god(s)). You could be an atheist and believe in ghosts, mental telepathy, psychics, an afterlife, an immaterial "soul", Flat-Earth, ect. ect. People are complex, you can't simply pigeon hole them. Atheists are an extremely diverse group of people
You just don't get it do you.
God gives people the wisdom to see the obvious humanity when it comes to obvious right and wrong.
Atheists do not possess God's wisdom and humanity, and is why the VAST MAJORITY are pro choice.
I guarantee you the vast majority of Atheists are fine with Gay marriage.
Live in your dream world whereby mankind have a moral foundation to live by.
Their moral values change with the times as we are witnessing with no restriction abortions, Gay marriage, Transgender fixations of forcing every public schools to allow so called transgender boys in our daughter's bathrooms.
Stop playing the fool and acting like this stuff is not happening, while Atheists say nothing against it.
Becoming intelligent makes you an atheist..
When does one become intelligent?
(Lemme guess, when becomes atheist) is there any observation for the "Becoming" process.
Or else i can also argue i have also studied "Becoming stupid makes you an atheist"
and i can back it...but after you....ladies first....lmfao
@jeffreyone - You have it backwards, becoming an atheist doesn't make one more intelligent, it's being more intelligent in the first place that tends to make one question the mythology we've been spoon fed from infancy and eventually causes us to reject religion and often brings us around to the freedom of atheism.