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Atheists, how would you answer....

Suppose a blind man says he does not believe in the existence of color for he has never be presented with any evidence it exists?  What would you?  
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3 points

I would say to him that scientist of all rudiments believe and have verifiable proof to believe that there is such a thing as an electromagnetic structure that can be broke down into visible and non-visible spectrums of particle like wave structures, and that the different lengths of these waveforms corresponds to the color presentations of the electromagnetic spectrum that we call visible light. I would add that amazing scientific breakthroughs have been recently discovered regarding the very nature of light and how it fundamentally shaped the universe we live in.

Viceregent(413) Clarified
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Of course, he would mock you for the ad populum fallacy and then point out how you delusional you are to think you know what even 10 scientists believe. And he would remind you he did not ask you about the EM spectrum and light, but color, asking you to discipline your mind and focus on what he asked.

Rick_Zeta5A(357) Disputed Banned
3 points

The electromagnetic spectrum is the larger scale of the phenomenon proven to carry in its attributes an ability to transfer electrons in the form of photons along a pattern that corresponds to the features of a wave and a particle. A certain small slice of this electromagnetic spectrum is responsible for the visible light which consists of the photons which strike the folded colour defining molecule in your eyeball. Once this encoded information is interpolated by the brain, an image is gained.

And I swear to god if you keep arguing like a fucking retard, I’m just gonna start ignoring all your posts. You are obviously not worried about coming to any truthful knowledge, so stop ruining the site for everyone else who wants to have a sensible debate that relies on the voracity of the argument, not the skewed view of the connotation of English words. Retard.

2 points

The only reason color is conceived is because light reflects off of particles based on their size and shape and the human eye perceives them as what we call colors. Many of those particles although chemically identical appear different colors under different conditions. For example, iron oxide can look yellow, orange, red, brown, or black. Cave men used to throw the lighter colored iron oxide rocks in their fires and the heat over time would change the size of the particles and make it a different perceived color for scratching in their cave wall paintings. Different, although made of identical material.

So the point is color is just an illusion.

Also consider this, if you take particles you would call blue, and particles you would call yellow, and combine them it will look green to your eye, even though none of those particles isolated by themselves would look green.

It is illusion.

The blind man is right. There is no color. He cannot perceive light reflecting at any wavelength. And if the light is off in a pitch black room then even you too cannot perceive what you would call blue or red or any other color. In deep space with no sunlight hitting anything truly no colors exist. And if you met an alien and tried to explain blue to it odds are it will have no idea what you're talking about and may even see that reflecting light in ways you can't even imagine.

Now you know what's truly crazy? If someone declares belief in orange their religion and that everything they think and do must somehow tie back to orange forever. They base their whole lives on a trivial matter of perception, and then go about telling anythone else who doesn't live for orange that they're the idiots.

1 point

A blind person denying color seems a bit absurd as 'color' is a concept that is inconceivable to a person who cannot see light.

Viceregent(413) Clarified
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Indeed, but he denies YOU see color, saying your claims to do so is merely evidence you are deluded. Indeed, he demands you prove color exists. What would you say?

Harvard(659) Disputed
5 points

I suppose I would not be able to prove such a concept to a person who is afflicted with a condition that occludes them from seeing the evidence for the existence of that concept. The Judeo-Christian god (who I am assuming is the analog), however, presumably created humans to have the ability to recognize his existence, or the evidence thereof.

1 point

Saying the blind man denies that you see color because he doesn't believe in it is like saying that an atheist denies that a Christian will go to heaven because he doesn't believe in it.

The blind man's not really asking anyone to prove color exists, he's stating that no one has shown him any proof of the existence of color.

1 point

Would a blind person not be taught about color in schools? Just because you're blind doesn't mean you're deaf.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
1 point

Moron, you hear about the Death Star. It does not make it real. Is this OP really not understandable by you?

Funk_Machine Disputed Banned
1 point

A blind person denying color seems a bit absurd as 'color' is a concept that is inconceivable to a person who cannot see light.

This isn't true unless a person has been blind from birth. If blindness has been acquired at some point in life then that person still has the memory of colour.

seanB(545) Banned
1 point

This is weak sauce.

You could apply this idea to anything that has been proven to exist. For instance, stupid religious nutbag denies the existence of evolution. Doesn't mean evolution doesn't exist. We can prove evolution like we can prove colour.

But nobody can prove God.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
1 point

I have made no argument. I have asked a Q you are now running from with irrational red herrings. Answer the Q and we can talk or be erased from this conversation. Your call.

seanB(545) Disputed Banned
1 point

You're trying to compare a bind man refusing to believe in colour, with an atheist refusing to believe in God.

They aren't the same.

Colour can be proven to exist. God can't.

Stop talking shite now.

NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

Sodomite perverts do abominable wickedness, and people who know what they are doing have the brains not to look at their stinking dirt.

outlaw60(13195) Disputed
0 points

Stupid B are you saying you Progressives evolved from apes ?

If that is the case did your momma evolve from an ape as well ?

Stupid B you Progressives are the nutsack of humanity and the best part of Progressives ran down their daddies leg !

Cocopops(7) Clarified
2 points

Hi Outlaw, my old buddy, atheists don't claim that we evolved from apes, they assert that apes and mankind evolved from a common ancestor.

Whether or not this assertion is correct still has to be comprehensively proven.

For instance, everything must have a starting point.

The 'Big Bang' theory asks us to believe that something came from nothing, i.e., the micro dot from which the enormous explosion emanated that created the apparently endless Cosmos.

From where did this microdot come?

For that matter, from where did the space come.

Who or what made this mysterious microdot?

How come the endless space of the heavens were just conveniently there for the billions of galaxies to expand into?

AlofRI(2089) Banned
1 point

The blind man cannot see color, he can not even see black and white. He likely can FEEL. I doubt he can reach out and feel GOD. I have good eyesight AND feel and have never seen OR felt this "God". Come to think of it, I haven't seen it in black and white OR color. I should feel deprived, as I would think a blind man does. I don't. I only feel sorry for those who call for help ... and it does not arrive ... kind of like, I'm sure, some of the religious kids in Florida must feel ... but, they don't "feel" anymore, they're dead. The "god" of the NRA has killed them ($$$), with an AR-15 ... something ANYONE can feel and see.

outlaw60(13195) Disputed
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Ol' Bowel Al tell me all about the number of AR-15's the NRA has made. What you have Al is nothing more than the the tired talking points of a Progressive narrative.

AlofRI(2089) Clarified Banned
1 point

I never said the NRA ever made an AR-15. Can't one of you theists READ ANYTHING?!

Viceregent(413) Disputed
0 points

A blind man can feel color? ROFL. Can one of you atheist morons answer the Q?

AlofRI(2089) Clarified Banned
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You're the moron, I didn't SAY he could feel color! I said he could FEEL!

ROFL, can one of you theists READ PUNCTUATION!

1 point

Actually, yes - and it might be the best evidence you could give a blind person for the existence of color.

Since color is the absorption/reflection of light energy, you and the blind person can do experiments involving how hot a material gets based on its color.

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I would not be bothered nor concerned with the blind man's opinion in the least.

In fact, I would agree with him, insofar as, so far as HE is concerned, there indeed is no such thing as color.

Even if he is wrong, and his opinion is in his own mind.

Just like god exists only in the mind of those who are deluded and believe in him.

See what I did there? I might be the smartest and most clever bloke on this whole bleeding forum. You were trying to use the blind man thing ad an allegory for how you godists see god and he us real but we atheists just can't see him. But I no only refused to play your silly game....I also totally turned the fucking table on you, and therefore bested you and showed how color exists and your god does not.

Except of course in your own mind.

LOL

Better put me on auto ban. I eat godists like you for breakfast. I once made a godist cry by busting him up in a formal debate in college Debate Society.

Cheers, wanker!

Viceregent(413) Clarified
1 point

In other words, this fool is delusional believing that there are multiple realities. Not to mention narcissistic. ROFL. Moving on to more mentally stable game.

NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

And why should anybody be bothered or concerned with your opinion except that they care enough for you to warn you of the danger you are in with one foot in the grave and the other on thin ice melting over the fire of Hell?

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so far as HE is concerned, there indeed is no such thing as color.

No, color still exists even with the blind man and his opinion. There's no "so far as he is concerned" in this argument. There either is or isn't, without regards to specific persons.

Even if

He is wrong, and it matters that the blind man realizes that he is incorrect in saying that color doesn't exist.

The answer to the question, I believe, is to tell the blind man to go to art school. There, he'll be taught that color exists at the very least. At that point, it's essentially "you can lead a horse to water, but can't make it drink". Either the blind man accepts the undeniable truth that color exists or he continues denying its existence.

Funk_Machine Disputed Banned
1 point

No, color still exists even with the blind man and his opinion.

No, I don't agree. Colour is an auxiliary effect of having biological eyes which "see" certain forms of energy. Hence, if we follow the logic of your claim then destroying all the eyes would mean colour would cease to exist. You might argue that the colour is still there, but without the correct instrument to interpret it into colour then it is just data.

Dermot(5461) Banned
1 point

Well that would leave the blind man in the same position as you as in another spectacularly stupid individual , when I answer your ridiculous question you may ban me as it’s your usual tactic when beaten yet again

By the way making me your enemy is just so childish and so you isn’t it ?

Regards your “tricky question “ ,

We pick a random store. We pick a random person to pick a random box of crayons from the shelf. You buy the crayons and keep them in your possession. Your blind person via braille, codes each crayon. You show me your braille code you've placed on each crayon. You've called red "aa". You've called blue "bb". You've called yellow "cc". And so on. I leave the room. You choose 1 of 20 crayons randomly and then draw a squiggle on a piece of paper. You place the crayon back in the box and hide the box. I come back into the room. See a blue squiggle on the paper. I look at my code chart. "You used the 'blue bb' crayon." We repeat this many times. Because it's trivial, I achieve 100% accuracy after 100 trials.

Try again and better luck next time 🤪🤪🤪

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That's basing facts on the opinions and guesses of a blind man. Why would you base anything other than things specifically regarding blind people on a blind man's opinions?

P1: People perform activities where distinguishing objects solely by sight is required.

P2: Distinguishing objects by sight alone is not possible without color.

C: Color exists.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
1 point

While this was poorly phrased, we know P2 is not true, for I blind man can distinguish objects without any light, let alone color. Next?

1 point

P2 says "by sight alone" - the blind person would require feeling, sound, etc.

Can he watch a TV with the sound off and tell you what is happening?

1 point

No, P1 and P2 are parts of the equation.

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The question is for atheists so you'll likely get a lot of foolish comments; but even an atheist could answer this one easily and well if they put their mind to it a bit.

I dated a blind girl in college, she had never seen colors. She could differentiate between light and darkness, but everything was completely blurred so she saw nothing.....didn't matter a bit if the lights were on or off; it was all the same to her......she knows she will see colors in Heaven, but I wanted to try to give her an idea what they were like here. I thought of something with unlimited variations which she can relate to; sound.

I explained colors as best I could by comparing them to all the different kinds of sound. There's really no way to imagine colors if you have never seen them before but I sure had her wondering about it.

I wonder what your point is in this question. I've read some of the comments of the atheists and they are not bad except they fail to admit that they cannot possibly get a blind person to know what colors are if they have never seen colors before. Typical atheistic pride, can't admit their weakness.

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Color is simply light, which we can study in ways that don't require sight. The existence of color can definitely be scientifically proven even if the blind man cannot perceive it. We can't see atoms, yet can describe them and make scientific claims and predictions about them.

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I would answer honestly, They are correct to claim that there is no such thing as color. Color is something that only exists in our perception of the world. Color is how our eyes and brain interpret the reflection of light from objects we see. Yes color like Gods are only as real as we perceive them. They are different to some other people who's biology makes it different and other animals see what we call color differently.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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At least this fool is honest in his mental illness. We honor him for that, while advising him to see help.

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People who aren't blind can see colour, but no one can see God.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
1 point

The blind man denies you can see color. He says when you claim you see color all you are doing is proving your a delusional or deceived? Your turn?

Rick_Zeta5A(357) Disputed Banned
2 points

By your infantile logic any theory that is popular is automatically false because you can write the words ‘ad populum’. I have never seen anybody this ill informed on concepts. Some teaching agency has failed you or your mind isn’t capable of having cogent thoughts on complicated systems.

1 point

God shows himself through his acts, and many people have seen acts of God. Therefore, many people have seen God, in a way.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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All of reality is proof of God's existence, but atheists do not have a knowledge problem, for they know God exists, they have a sin problem which causes them moral and intellectual reprobation.