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Yes, and stop teaching it No, and keep on teaching it
Debate Score:64
Arguments:70
Total Votes:70
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Is Atheisim a Religion?

Everything taught in schools in this modern day says that man evolved from nothing. This is technically an unproved theory, and therefore a belief. But is it a religion, and should it be taught in schools? Is the government imposing a religion?

Yes, and stop teaching it

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No, and keep on teaching it

Side Score: 34
2 points

LAW OF THE LAND .. COURT RULES ATHEISM A RELIGION (2005)

Decides 1st Amendment protects prison inmate's right to start study group .... been classified as a religion for quite some time

indeed ....... The Sunday Assembly was started by Sanderson Jones and Pippa Evans, two comedians who were on the way to a gig in Bath when they discovered they both wanted to do something that was like church but totally secular and inclusive of all—no matter what they believed .... an obvious element of the soon to emerge One World Religion

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
Cartman(18205) Disputed
1 point

Do you believe that gay marriage is real marriage?

Side: No, and keep on teaching it
dadman(1466) Disputed
1 point

Marriage is defined by God ... not man .....

if man designed marriage, then marriage is what ever you want it to be ... marry your frog and then your dog

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
2 points

What you are talking about is the religion of naturalism in which material is ascribed supernatural power to cause life. It is a waste of time when mingles with science. No scientific inquiry or endeavor requires belief in naturalism. Naturalism dictates interpretations of science excluding data which contradicts conclusions, therefore any science used to support naturalism is not true science but is rather a system of religious dictates.

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
2 points

The second law of thermodynamics says that when energy changes from one form to another form, or matter moves freely, entropy (disorder) increases. " Apply that to your chemical soup, and you find that when all your chemicals are mixing together, they get more random instead of orderly.

Who's hoping for miracles, again?

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
Cartman(18205) Disputed
1 point

You have actually just put forth the claim that life isn't possible. Life exists. Therefore, you screwed something up with your logic.

Side: No, and keep on teaching it
1 point

If life isn't possible per any naturalistic answer, what does that tell you....

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
pizzakitty(37) Disputed
1 point

If the only theory of the beginnings of life was evolution, yes, my logic would be screwed up, but remember that the theory you are speaking of is not the only theory out there. The logic of the theory of evolution is screwed up, not mine. And if you want to prove otherwise, you actually need to find out what is wrong with my logic.

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
2 points

Only in the sense that it's a belief.

We believe there's no God.

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it

The "lack of belief" notion is a lie and a copout. Most Atheists believe certain things that have led to their "lack of belief". Are there exceptions? Yes, and just like religion. Are there technically people claiming to be Christian who don't believe Jesus was who he said he was? Yes, but the overwhelming majority do believe. Atheists almost all believe in Darwinian theory, and that if God was there, there would be no suffering, and that if God was there, the world would be a perfect place. They are also almost all white males, which proves it is somehow cultural within their ranks.

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
excon(4405) Disputed Banned
1 point

Hello again, bront:

Please, tell me again, what atheists believe... You ARE, of course, more expert at what I believe than I MYSELF. Tell me MORE.. I'm waiting.. Got me a bowl of popcorn.

excon

Side: No, and keep on teaching it
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

In atheism, you believe you are not a fool .

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
1 point

Antrim(804)

2 points

Only in the sense that it's a belief.

We believe there's no God.

Here is one of your spokesmen in a rare moment plainly stating your beliefs. It is the religion of fools.

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
1 point

Naturalism as Religion .... Thanks to the theory of evolution, naturalism is now the dominant religion of modern society.

Less than a century and a half ago, Charles Darwin popularized the credo for this secular religion with his book The Origin of Species .... Although most of Darwin's theories about the mechanisms of evolution were discarded long ago, the doctrine of evolution itself has managed to achieve the status of a fundamental article of faith in the popular modern mind. Naturalism has now replaced Christianity as the main religion of the Western world, and evolution has become naturalism's principal dogma. http://ow.ly/jTeh30aZmZ3

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
excon(4405) Disputed Banned
1 point

Hello dad:

Nahhh... Biology is the CORNERSTONE of modern medicine, and evolution is the BEDROCK of biology... If you seek treatment at your local doctor, you BELIEVE in evolution.. If you think antibiotics work, you BELIEVE in evolution..

excon

Side: No, and keep on teaching it
1 point

I think it depends on how you define religion so you would have to clarify that first

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
excon(4405) Banned
2 points

Hello p:

Atheists believe in NOTHING... Nonetheless, I've asked my fellow atheists over to my house to celebrate NOTHING, and we did.. But, it got boring after a couple minutes so we turned on the ball game..

It's true that some inmates made a religious claim. The government MUST uphold it, of course, because in this great land of ours, we have FREEDOM of religion - EVEN in prison.. Freedom MEANS inmates can BELIEVE whatever they want, and the government can't say they don't..

That doesn't mean atheism is "on a list of approved religions", because there IS no list.. The government can't APPROVE or DISAPPROVE of a religion.. That IS what freedom of religion means..

excon

Side: No, and keep on teaching it
outlaw60(8861) Disputed
1 point

When did you go to prison excon was it sometime after 1968 ? LMMFAO !

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
1 point

Atheism is a characteristic of a philosophy. It means you believe in NO gods. A= no theism= belief in god.

Monotheism means you believe in ONE god. Mono=one theism=god

If I say I am a monotheist, it doesn't say anything about my religion or practice.

Side: No, and keep on teaching it
outlaw60(8861) Disputed
1 point

Why does freedom of religion just apply to those in prison excon ?

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
1 point

Atheists believe in NOTHING

Aah... looks like we agree on something...

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
0 points

The atheistic religion of naturalism is illegally sanctioned in public schools which teach it fraudulently as science. The points you raise are the points which should remove atheism/naturalism from all science classes and keep it where it belongs in classes of religion or philosophy. The government by allowing and supporting by taxation if forcing a religion which teaches kids and young adults to fight against those who believe in God.

In your pothead excon self-righteous religion, you just can't shut up and keep it to yourself. You are compelled to present yourself as a jack ass to those who say God loves you.

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
2 points

Atheism is not a religion, its a lack of belief. Furthermore, you shouldn't teach anybody what to believe, atheism or otherwise.

Side: No, and keep on teaching it
2 points

In no way could Atheism be considered a religion. Atheism simply isn't a system of beliefs the way a religion is. A religion has common teachings and figures of worship, traditions that get passed down and a series of common beliefs that unite a group of people. The only thing Atheism has in the lack of a belief in a God. It is more common for two Atheists to have completely different opinions than otherwise, but they are both still Atheists. However, in a religious setting, they would be two different denominations because religion has a ridged belief structure far beyond what Atheism has.

Side: No, and keep on teaching it
excon(4405) Banned
2 points

Hello again, p:

Let's say that this right wing Supreme Court agreed with you, and removed any mention of evolution from our school books..

But, children are certainly gonna ask about where we came from.. How should we answer that?

excon

Side: No, and keep on teaching it
pizzakitty(37) Disputed
1 point

To answer that question, you just say "we don't really know yet"...

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
2 points

Look up the definition of a religion.

Then look up the definition of atheism.

Then take a long hard look at yourself, and fuck up.

Side: No, and keep on teaching it
1 point

Everything taught in schools in this modern day says that man evolved from nothing.

False. It teaches that we evolved from other living creatures. The bible more closely teaches that we came from nothing since Adam was just created from dirt.

This is technically an unproved theory,

Actually, it is a strawman fallacy.

and therefore a belief.

A belief held by Christians.

But is it a religion, and should it be taught in schools?

It is not a religion. Even you can only call it a belief. You created a strawman argument and you were only able to conclude it was a belief.

Is the government imposing a religion?

Not with teaching evolution.

Side: No, and keep on teaching it
pizzakitty(37) Disputed
0 points

Your first argument: Yes, it says we evolved from other animals, who evolved from yet others, who evolved from yet others, who evolved from chemicals. Please note my other argument (4th from the top). The Bible does not teach that man evolved from nothing, because if you gather enough dirt and transmute its elements into the ones you need for life and put them in the place needed, life is created from dirt (by the way, who is talking? The person who believes time, physics, space, matter and everything came from nothing by accident?).

Your second argument: Correct, Atheism is a straw man fallacy as well as an unproved theory, the argument side of it addresses Christianity and related religions as cults having no evidence for their argument whatsoever, which is untrue.

Your third argument: See my first statement.

Your fourth argument: Forgive me from being unclear. The belief that God exists is the basis of the intricate beliefs of Christianity and like religions. The belief that no god exists is the basis of the intricate beliefs of Atheists. You cannot prove that there is no God as much as I can prove that there is a God. We can both give evidence, but currently there is no proof for either of our sides. Atheism is as much a religion as Christianity.

Your fifth answer relies on your earlier ones, my other responses will also suffice for this statement.

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it
Cartman(18205) Disputed
1 point

Your first argument: Yes

You got something right.

The Bible does not teach that man evolved from nothing

A dishonest debate gets us nowhere.

because if you gather enough dirt and transmute its elements into the ones you need for life and put them in the place needed, life is created from dirt

So, this is no problem for you to believe.

by the way, who is talking? The person who believes time, physics, space, matter and everything came from nothing by accident?).

That's better than the person who believes that the rules they believe exist don't actually have to be followed when convenient for their mental gymnastics.

Your second argument: Correct

Awesome, you got something right again. It is sad that the only way you get anything right is if I edit out the rest if your statement.

Atheism is a straw man fallacy

That's a completely idiotic statement. Good job. Twisting words and twisting it to something stupid. Impressive.

well as an unproved theory

Nope. Atheism isn't a theory.

the argument side of it addresses Christianity and related religions as cults having no evidence for their argument whatsoever, which is untrue.

People don't turn to atheism because atheists argue Christianity is a cult. Christians demonstrate that they are a cult and cause people to turn to atheism. The biggest mistakes you Christians make is to abandon science and claim God isn't involved. It's all your fault. Plus, you don't have any evidence. That is true, sorry.

Your third argument: See my first statement.

"Your first argument: Yes..."? You missed my point. Atheists don't believe what you say they believe. That's why it is a strawman fallacy.

The belief that God exists is the basis of the intricate beliefs of Christianity and like religions.

No, it is based on the idea that you can't understand the universe and need a bring to exist that can do all the things you don't understand. It's a coping mechanism.

The belief that no god exists is the basis of the intricate beliefs of Atheists.

No, it comes from actually thinking about what an intelligent being would do and noticing that the Earth appears to work exactly like a planet without a supernatural being existing.

You cannot prove that there is no God as much as I can prove that there is a God

And for every other thing that fits that pattern it makes more sense to not believe the thing exists. The overwhelming majority of atheists are not making the claim that they know for a fact that a God can't exist. The general belief of atheists is that there isn't a compelling reason to believe a God exists.

We can both give evidence,

False. Neither side can provide evidence. Your side hasn't found any evidence to present for thousands of years. That should tell you something, but alas it doesn't. My side can only provide a natural explanation for the things that are seen to be done by God and shorten the list of things associated with God. The definition of God is so vague that you can just change the scope of God without considering any facts.

Atheism is as much a religion as Christianity.

Since when did religion become defined as a belief system that can't be proved?

Your fifth answer relies on your earlier ones, my other responses will also suffice for this statement.

I disagree.

Side: No, and keep on teaching it

Atheism isn't a religion, certainly. It can be called a mentality. Religions want you to "believe" in their mentality, which doesn't let you question what you observe. Even if, there's an answer given, it doesn't go well with practicality, to a great extent.

Side: No, and keep on teaching it
jeffreyone(1137) Disputed
0 points

Atheism isn't a religion, certainly. It can be called a mentality. Religions want you to "believe" in their mentality, which doesn't let you question what you observe.

There is no sense in this statement.

Side: Yes, and stop teaching it

No, it's not, just like theism isn't a religion.

Theism is the belief in God, but not necessarily the worship or practice of rituals surrounding a particular God.

Atheism is the disbelief in God altogether, regardless of religion.

You can be a theist but not religious.

You can even be an atheist and religious (Buddhism, Jainism, Laveyan Satanism, etc). However, many people would probably refer to these more as 'philosophies' than religions, although that's a completely different topic to get into.

So, no, atheism is not a religion. Atheism can certainly lead to religion, just like theism usually leads to religion, however it is not in of itself a religious practice.

Side: No, and keep on teaching it
1 point

You're conflating atheism, a lack of belief in gods- the antithesis of religion - with abiogenesis, and likely abiogenesis with evolution. Though most atheists tend to be in general agreement with science, it's not a requirement. What's taught in school is science - and it absolutely should be taught.

Side: No, and keep on teaching it