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Debate Score:238
Arguments:123
Total Votes:299
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Does god exist?

Does this figure called god exist?

No

Side Score: 118
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Yes

Side Score: 120
3 points

No, I am a figment of the imaginations of people who want a convenient explanation for things they do not understand, a refuge from uncertainty, and an authority figure who will never show up to actually enforce the "Rules".

Side: No
1 point

Hi Marcus , that’s it in a nutshell and well put ..... sorry I couldn’t reply to your piece on gravity as the OP banned me for having my say

Side: No
marcusmoon(586) Clarified
2 points

Hi, Dermot.

Ironically, it was a downer that you were banned from the gravity conversation. :)

Side: No
JacksonM(46) Disputed
1 point

I disagree. I think that in light of recent evidence discovered by science, Catholics actually have the more logical basis for faith, while (rather ironically) atheism requires a greater leap of faith and ignorance of facts than faith itself.

Side: Yes
marcusmoon(586) Clarified
1 point

Jackson,

I think that in light of recent evidence discovered by science,

What evidence?

Evidence of what, exactly?

...while (rather ironically) atheism requires a greater leap of faith and ignorance of facts than faith itself.

I think you are clearly correct that those who positively assert that god does not exist are taking an unjustified leap of faith.

By the same token, whether it is a greater leap (as opposed to an equal leap) than the one undertaken by devotees of any religion would depend on the evidence (including the evidence you alluded to earlier.)

+++++++++++++++++++

Frankly, a lot of it may boil down to what is the definition of god.

Most often, when I ask people what they mean by god (because it is by no means clear in most cases), the answer I get is along the lines of

- Not constructed of matter or energy

- Made the universe

- Controls/sets limits on the universe

Now, that is a pretty loose definition.

In accordance with the definition, the laws of physics could be god. In that case, proving god exists is so easy as to be almost unnecessary-just bring up Isaac Newton and go on about your day.

Side: No
KD208043(3) Disputed
1 point

I also disagree. I believe that those who believe in God do not want a convenient explanation. The existence of God makes complete sense if you think about it. There is one main point here. For anything to move, it has to be moved by another. For example, a desk cannot move by itself; someone has to push it. No matter how long the universe has been in existence, something has to have initially put it into motion - something that did not have a creator. That being or entity is called God.

Side: Yes
marcusmoon(586) Disputed
1 point

KD,

For anything to move, it has to be moved by another . . . No matter how long the universe has been in existence, something has to have initially put it into motion - something that did not have a creator. That being or entity is called God.

Do you recognize the logical problem/inconsistency in your reasoning?

You insist that everything has to come from something (have a mover that moved it.)

Then you say that the earlier something is god, not the universe, as if that is the end of it.

The same rule would necessarily apply to god, who like the universe, must have been moved by another, which must have been moved by another.

Your logic devolves into an eternal regression of movers unless, like medieval philosophers, you say there must have been an unmoved mover.

You seem to have designated that god is the unmoved mover without explaining why the universe cannot be the unmoved mover, or why god must be.

(Also, there is no evidence to suggest that the the order was necessarily god before universe, not the other way around.)

Side: No
whyamihere(23) Disputed
1 point

I have thought about it, and I believe there is no God. Maybe a desk has to move by itself, but we as humans do not. We can move our selves. And we have because there is no one else controlling us. Not god.

Side: No
Anomally(18) Disputed
0 points

The Bible said you'd say that.

http://biblehub.com/2_peter/3-4.htm

Side: Yes
2 points

Is there any evidence? No. It's as easy as that. God may exist, but since nobody has any evidence to support this claim, it must be presumed false.

Side: No
Yatindra019(1) Disputed
1 point

Do you really need a proof to admit that the God exists . Just mark your words when you are in a cumbersome situation , you will no longer need any proof. I don't want to fall into the discussion whether the God exists or not but this belief of mine keep me alive motivated inspired and protected that's pretty enough for me

Side: No
Polaris95(247) Disputed
1 point

Yes I do need proof to believe in God. Believing in something without reason is, in my opinion, a form of stupidity.

Side: Yes
Number13(117) Disputed
1 point

nobody has any evidence to support this claim

https://youtu.be/bp4NkItgf0E

Side: Yes
2 points

Nope. Since when has there been any evidence that God actually is real? People say that I need to believe and trust that he is real, but there is NO proof. Nobody has proven that he is real. If heaven is a place that we go when we die, then it us a place that we can go to. If God is immoral... Then why not us? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I will not believe God is real until giving evidence.

Side: No
1 point

Well said. If god is kind and loving, then why would he make all atheists go to hell because we didn't believe in him. If the Christian god wanted people to believe in him, then why not show himself, and dispel all doubt?

Side: No
1 point

1)Arguments on what hell is or how it works vary greatly. You're having to make an assumption to its nature.

2)If God showed himself, atheists would try to come up with a "naturalistic" answer to explain what they experienced.

Side: Yes
2 points

I consider it possible that a self-aware entity exists in this universe that exists outside of what we are capable of understanding, for now. Possible, but unlikely. If such an entity exists, there is no reason to assume there is only one, no reason to assume it created us, no reason to assume it's listening, or that it cares. At some point it becomes a mistake to call it a "god". It also may very well be a mistake to try and get its attention. If you want to know why, look up videos of people pouring molten aluminum down anthills, and then realize we would be the ants in that situation. If, however, we're stuck with a god that is a singular entity, did create us (taking great effort to cover up that it did so), does care what goes on down here (for some reason, and has a funny way of showing it) and is actually a certain version of some ultra specific god that someone actually worships, to the point that they can stand up and say "Out of all of the religions throughout history, we got it right", then we would have to determine whether or not that god is worth worshipping. I would say No. Depending on what ultra specific god we would be stuck with, I might say Fuck No. In fact, if we're stuck with the kind of bastard that would cast you into a hell for being the way it created you to be, then not only should we not be worshipping it, we should be figuring out how to kill it.

Side: No
JacksonM(46) Disputed
1 point

The God I believe in only casts someone into Hell because they are a sinner, and God didn't create people to be sinners. According to what I believe in, original sin came about during that famous story of the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge against God's direct order.

God created humans with free will, because if we didn't have free will than we are a pointless creation.

On top of that, I was taught that the people in Hell are only there because they haven't asked forgiveness for their sins. If only they sincerely ask forgiveness, they are allowed to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

And by the way, the reason I make a point to say "the God I believe in..." or "I was taught that..." is so that we're on the same page about which belief system we're talking about here.

Side: Yes
2 points

Almost definitely not because there are approximately 320,000,000 Gods worshiped around the world and the chances that your god is the "one true god" are so damn small. If god does exist then he sure isn't one of the ones you retards worship

Side: No
LoveU(348) Disputed
1 point

If god does exist then he sure isn't one of the ones you retards worship

Why not?

Side: Yes
1 point

Citation needed.*

Side: Yes
1 point

Thousands of different gods have being proposed to exist since the dawn of time , most now are a thing of the past that have died out with the people that believed in them .

To make a claim a god exists is to claim that an entity that cannot be seen heard or touched does in fact exist as the majority of believers claim to have a “ relationship “ with this entity , taking Christianity alone there are 33,000 diffferent denominations of this religion and each and everyone disagrees with the other , also nearly every believer differs in how they define god which demonstrates clearly they are merely indoctrinated and that’s the reason they are believers as the majority never had a choice in the matter

Side: No
Manwe(73) Disputed
2 points

there are 33,000 diffferent denominations of this religion and each and everyone disagrees with the other

False dichotomy. All of them agree who God is and who Jesus Christ is.

Side: Yes
Dermot(5453) Disputed
2 points

Wow , all the downvotes you give me for disagreeing with you , how many accounts have you ?

False dichotomy. All of them agree who God is and who Jesus Christ is.

Incorrrect, who do all of them say god is ?

Side: No
NKJV(513) Clarified
2 points

Yeshua is the best Person that ever happened to me, and I am sorry for being mean, truce?....................................................................................

Side: No
DermotsRoach(31) Disputed
1 point

If you walked into almost any denomination's church you couldn't tell the difference between them and another denomination or even tell which was which.

These church's don't disagree on the basics. About the only differences are how formal they are, which has nothing to do with Disagreeing about anything notable.

Side: Yes
Dermot(5453) Disputed
3 points

If you walked into almost any denomination's church you couldn't tell the difference between them and another denomination or even tell which was which.

If you walked into a pub you couldn’t tell the difference between a communist a fascist or a racist , so what’s your point ?

These church's don't disagree on the basics.

Well yes they do

About the only differences are how formal they are, which has nothing to do with Disagreeing about anything notable.

What do you mean “ notable “ ?

Side: No
1 point

As of the moment there is not enough evidence to declare yes or no. However there is no option to say anything other then yes or no. Its a matter of Faith. Personally I believe in god, but its not a god you would think of. As a Pastafarian I believe that the world will soon be touched by his spaghetti Holiness.

Side: No
-2 points
6 points

GOSPEL GOES WORLDWIDE-

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

http://biblehub.com/matthew/24-14.htm

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THEN REBELLION AGAINST GOD-

"Don't be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God."

http://biblehub.com/2thessalonians/2-3.htm

"At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other."

http://biblehub.com/matthew/24-10.htm

"Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires."

http://biblehub.com/2peter/3-3.htm

"In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires. It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit."

http://biblehub.com/jude/1-18.htm

http://biblehub.com/jude/1-19.htm

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"The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap."

http://biblehub.com/isaiah/17-1.htm

Side: Yes
Polaris95(247) Disputed
3 points

How does this even count as evidence? These are just quotes from the bible, the same book that depicts talking snakes, a medium-sized boat that can carry the entire animal kingdom, and a man surviving 40 days without food or drink.

Side: No
DMX2(1) Disputed
0 points

It counts as evidence because it describes a situation that matches today's situation. This particular list doesn't even nearly give much of the prophecies.

Talking snakes is a false dichotomy in that the story is an allegory. More proof of this is found in Ezekiel 31. The Noah story is an allegory referenced by Christ as depicting the condition and happenings in the end of days.

Supporting Evidence: Ezekiel 31 passages (www.google.com)
Side: Yes
Mingodalia(226) Disputed
0 points

And here is a debate I did showing that even the religion of the Antichrist described in the book of Revelation has come onto the scene provably.

http://www.debate.org/debates/Muslims-believe-they-are-the-followers-of-the-Antichrist/1/

Side: Yes
Mingodalia(226) Disputed
0 points

In the eleventh year, in the third month on the first day, the word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, say to Pharaoh king of Egypt and to his hordes:

“‘Who can be compared with you in majesty?

3 Consider Assyria, once a cedar in Lebanon,

with beautiful branches overshadowing the forest;

it towered on high,

its top above the thick foliage.

4 The waters nourished it,

deep springs made it grow tall;

their streams flowed

all around its base

and sent their channels

to all the trees of the field.

5 So it towered higher

than all the trees of the field;

its boughs increased

and its branches grew long,

spreading because of abundant waters.

6 All the birds of the sky

nested in its boughs,

all the animals of the wild

gave birth under its branches;

all the great nations

lived in its shade.

7 It was majestic in beauty,

with its spreading boughs,

for its roots went down

to abundant waters.

8 The cedars in the garden of God

could not rival it,

nor could the junipers

equal its boughs,

nor could the plane trees

compare with its branches—

no tree in the garden of God

could match its beauty.

9 I made it beautiful

with abundant branches,

the envy of all the trees of Eden

in the garden of God.

10 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because the great cedar towered over the thick foliage, and because it was proud of its height, 11 I gave it into the hands of the ruler of the nations, for him to deal with according to its wickedness. I cast it aside, 12 and the most ruthless of foreign nations cut it down and left it. Its boughs fell on the mountains and in all the valleys; its branches lay broken in all the ravines of the land. All the nations of the earth came out from under its shade and left it. 13 All the birds settled on the fallen tree, and all the wild animals lived among its branches. 14 Therefore no other trees by the waters are ever to tower proudly on high, lifting their tops above the thick foliage. No other trees so well-watered are ever to reach such a height; they are all destined for death, for the earth below, among mortals who go down to the realm of the dead.

15 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: On the day it was brought down to the realm of the dead I covered the deep springs with mourning for it; I held back its streams, and its abundant waters were restrained. Because of it I clothed Lebanon with gloom, and all the trees of the field withered away. 16 I made the nations tremble at the sound of its fall when I brought it down to the realm of the dead to be with those who go down to the pit. Then all the trees of Eden, the choicest and best of Lebanon, the well-watered trees, were consoled in the earth below. 17 They too, like the great cedar, had gone down to the realm of the dead, to those killed by the sword, along with the armed men who lived in its shade among the nations.

18 “‘Which of the trees of Eden can be compared with you in splendor and majesty? Yet you, too, will be brought down with the trees of Eden to the earth below; you will lie among the uncircumcised, with those killed by the sword.

“‘This is Pharaoh and all his hordes, declares the Sovereign Lord.’”

New International Version (NIV)

Holy Bible, New International Version®, NIV® Copyright ©1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.® Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide.

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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ezekiel31&version=NIV

Side: Yes
Aidanjayw(3) Disputed
2 points

That's not an argument just verses from a book of fiction

Side: No
LoveU(348) Disputed
1 point

It's not just a verses and quotation

Some are prophecies that are fulfilled

1.Leviticus 26:29 You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters.

This verse is not a command but a prophecy

And the prophecy was fulfilled by" baby farming" (search on google) .

2.Mark 13:8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles. These are the beginnings of sorrows.

This verse was fulfilled, look at the world history

Side: Yes

Everyone knows God exists. It's why liberal atheists have "scream at the sky sessions". Who or what exactly are they screaming at? We all know who.

Side: Yes
Polaris95(247) Clarified
1 point

"Scream at the sky sessions"?! Have you ever even met atheists in real life? Trust me, no atheist has those sessions.

Side: No
ExConsHound(11) Disputed
0 points

Yes they do. It's all over the internet and YouTube. There are even dates and locations.

Supporting Evidence: Scream at the Sky (www.google.com)
Side: No
AlofRI(2819) Disputed
1 point

Hey, drone,

Please, tell me where I can find one of those atheistic "scream at the sky" sessions! I've never even HEARD of one. I would like to go there and tell them to STOP acting like evangelicals and have some self respect! (Are you SURE you know the difference between an evangelical and an atheist??) And just WHO is who?? Guess I must've missed that atheist 101 class.

Side: No

God is NOT with us. God created us and gave us an amazing brain. We should USE IT! Make God proud. Don’t grabble at Gods feet like a squirming dog

Side: Yes
3 points

You have to ignore all of reality to reject God.

Supporting Evidence: God is here (youtu.be)
Side: Yes
marcusmoon(586) Disputed
1 point

Zuul,

You have to ignore all of reality to reject God.

You have to ignore all of reality to assert that you know one way or another that god exists.

Honesty leads neither to belief nor to atheism, but to agnosticism.

Side: No
teddybear(10) Disputed
3 points

I agree with you. In my point of view there are many things that humans can't prove and they are scared of the unknown, so they made up theories of Higher Beings just to satisfy their need of knowing and then kept passing their beliefs or theories to the next generation, yet there is no way of knowing if they are true. While I believe some of the teachings of Christianity, Buddhism etc can be applied to real life, I don't really think that a god exist.

Side: No
DMX2(1) Disputed
1 point

Not if you are knowledgeable on Biblical prophecy. If you know Biblical prophecy, you'd have to ignore it to be Agnostic.

Side: Yes
Mingodalia(226) Disputed
1 point

Honesty leads neither to belief nor to atheism, but to agnosticism.

Then you aren't honest. You declared God as a figment of the imagination on the other side of the debate.

Side: Yes
ExConsHound(11) Disputed
1 point

You have to ignore all of reality to assert that you know one way or another that god exists.

https://youtu.be/bp4NkItgf0E

Side: Yes
Zuul(69) Disputed
0 points

No, I am a figment of the imaginations of people who want a convenient explanation for things they do not understand, a refuge from uncertainty, and an authority figure who will never show up to actually enforce the "Rules".

Lie detector on. Um. No. This wasn't meant to be humorous. By your own claim, you are not honest.

Side: Yes
2 points

His name is Yeshua and He loves you so much He died and rose again just for sinners like us.............................................

Side: Yes
2 points

God does exist, and it can be seen in all of creation.

It is obvious in that nothing can not manifest something. Time didn't just magically appear one day while never existing prior.

Side: Yes
Polaris95(247) Disputed
2 points

If time can't just magically appear out of nothing, then how can God? I don't believe that time just randomly sprouted into existence, but I know that if a god exists, it wouldn't either. Using your logic, something must have created god. If god counts as a "something" then he couldn't have come out of "nothing".

Side: No
DMX2(1) Disputed
1 point

He created time, space and matter. He didn't pop into existence out of his own creation. Sadly, the atheist cannot ask "how can it happen without God?"

Supporting Evidence: Where did God come from? (youtu.be)
Side: Yes
JacksonM(46) Disputed
1 point

I don't know what created God, or how, but I do know that the theory of an infinitely powerful Creator is the best theory I can find to explain the creation of the universe.

Side: Yes
Number13(117) Disputed
1 point

You are making assumptions as to the nature of God's reality. Maybe, in the real reality, nothing begins. Everything and all things infinitely exist.

But you don't have the luxury of this answer because you don't believe in God or other realities. You are stuck with explaining how time, matter, and space just "became", because you need a naturalistic answer based on this reality.

Side: Yes
Number13(117) Disputed
1 point

Because there was something. God.

Tense was created by God. It means nothing to him.

Side: Yes
2 points
Side: Yes
1 point

Yes. I believe in His existence. But this is assuming you mean the Christian God.

Side: Yes
Number13(117) Disputed
1 point

Ever read the verse about being lukewarm?*

Side: No
1 point

If you guys wanna debate SCIENCE and FACTS, then respond to this post. I'm not spouting verses like the stereotypical Catholic. Instead, I want to argue facts.

Let's start with the beginning of the Universe. Explain the Big Bang. It started the universe and it started time. Before the Big Bang, there was nothing. There wasn't even like black space. It was an empty vacuum, and then suddenly there's an explosion? Like how???

I say it was God.

Side: Yes

Yeshua is His Name.........................................................................................................................

Side: Yes