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Does God exist?

Arguments for and against God's existence.  I'd like the negative position to take on an equal burden of proof and provide arguments against God's existence, e.g. the problem of suffering, divine hiddenness, etc.

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Atheism

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17 points

An Intelligent Designer seems incredibly possible since our universe is so fine tuned and the laws of thermodynamics can be applied in a sense that supports the existence of a much larger eternal being.

Side: Theism
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
14 points

Just to confirm, you are arguing that because the universe is so great, it must have been created?

In that case, could you please explain the pain and suffering and sadness that humans go through every day? The struggle for life and wellness and recreation that every single living organism must go through their entire life? The simple fact that life needs certain things to survive, the imperfect nature of that fact, that God could create life that does not need the universe to be as it is to survive?

Life has adapted to its surroundings, giving the impression that our surroundings are perfect for life. Do you really think that things could not be better? That things are truly perfect? That our existence is nothing more than a minuscule probability, caused to be likely due to the simple immeasurable vastness and magnitude of space and existence?

There are many arguments which support an intelligent designer. But there are many more which do not. You should not ignore either side.

Side: Atheism
Qua-(13) Disputed
6 points

God didn't make the world so it can be perfect- or else we would all be robots. We all have our ups and downs for a reason. If bad things didn't happen to us, then we couldn't fully appreciate the bad things in life. Then we would just be living a world of boring monotony. What kind of life would that be living? That's not a life! The world is colorful and that's what makes us all so fun to be around. If God made life perfect, then what would be the point of life?

Nathaniel Hawthorne had a Puritan upbringing but unconverted because he did not like some aspects that his ex-religion had developed into. However, you can see themes of the effects of reaching enlightenment or perfection in several of his works. Basically what his message is saying is that once we achieve this level of perfection, there is no need for us to be living anymore. In this sense, God has put thought into carefully making such an array of beings- the vast amount of things and stuff he has created.

Side: Theism
RightWing11(38) Disputed
4 points

I'll explain the sadness and suffering: sin. Yes, it is that simple. Sin. God created a perfect world where men and women (at the time just Adam and Eve) could live with God in paradise. However, Adam and Eve disobeyed his only command and sin entered the world. Sin caused pain, suffering, sickness and tears. The world WOULD be perfect if it wasn't for the sin of us humans.

Side: Theism

That isnt my argument.

Side: Atheism

The thing is that on a universal scale these things are considered to be miniscule. Things happen to planets that we are glad dont happen to us. I know earth life isnt perfect but if it was what would it even look like?

Side: Atheism
2 points

Yes yes*

Side: Theism
12 points

Exactly :) -----------------------------------------------------------

Side: Theism
10 points

Now I am an astronomer so I would usually argue the other side but when Akulakhan is online I gotta argue with him because he knows a lot.

Side: Theism
1 point

Yes yes*

Side: Atheism
8 points

This is a very good point. Many scientists agree with this.

Side: Theism

Thanks. That means a lot to me.

Side: Theism
Nox0(1393) Disputed
6 points

Who exactly please name some and list list their works. I'm very interested :D

Side: Atheism
Leo_Boccacio(8) Clarified
6 points

Please cite your sources. Scientists is also a slightly vague term. Do you consider a theologian a scientist?

Side: Theism
5 points

I don't think so. The scientific community has outright rejected the whole intelligent design idea.

Side: Atheism
Jace(4706) Disputed
4 points

Many scientists may be theists but this does not mean the believe there is irrefutable and incontrovertible proof of a god or gods. Moreover, very few scientists actually specialize in areas that would give them any authority on the matter of deistic probability.

Side: Atheism
meer(47) Disputed
1 point

really? because i am pretty sure non of them do...............................

Side: Atheism
blacklab2287(34) Disputed
1 point

Many scientists agree that there is a diety? Please define the term many. How about a percentage? I'll hinder to your point if you can find a scientist that wasn't raised in a faith based household that "converted".

Side: Atheism
Rakz123(13) Disputed
1 point

at many sum of them they argee with this point becoz thousand magical things which is happening in world

Side: Atheism
1 point

Yes yes*

Side: Atheism
1 point

Yes yes*

Side: Atheism
8 points

I'm a Christian and I'm totally against this argument. I believe in the God that I KNOW exists, not that possibly exists!

Side: Theism
3 points

That you KNOWexists? That contradicts your religion. God is a faith based God. He does not make himself know because through faith he is pleased. You cannot 100% truly know and God set it up that way. If you say you "KNOW" he exists you are contradicting the point of the faith.

Side: Atheism
Bunny(7) Disputed
-1 points

Can you prove he exists??? Is there any evidence???

NO!!! So what makes you think god exists????

Side: Atheism
Nox0(1393) Disputed
3 points

thermodynamics can be applied in a sense that supports the existence of a much larger eternal being.

ehm?

Side: Atheism
11 points

Matter cannpt be created or destroyed so something must have created it. Thats it.

Side: Theism
Name(18) Disputed
2 points

Much of the energy is randomly lost with death. We cannot find a logical place for it to have gone. Also, the soul must go somewhere as it cannot have but dissapeared due to the laws of Thermodynamics.

Side: Theism
nooby(14) Disputed
3 points

An Intelligent Designer seems incredibly possible since our universe is so fine tuned

What makes you believe that universe is fine tuned?

There are certain physical laws according which energy and matter are interacting with each others, and the rest is just a consequence of those laws. What is so fine tuned about the universe?

Is it really fine tuned that Sun will one they get cold and all life on Earth will die? Or is it fine tuned that we can get struck by an asteroid any time possible? Do you think it is fine tuned to have a myriad of different religions which possibly violently conflict with each other? Or do you believe that fine tuning is when people die in agony of cancer, Ebola, aids or murderous knife? Which part of the misery you believe is fine tuned?

If your God is such a wonderful creator, why didn't he get back after 2000 years and told humans what to do as he used to? After all he terminated Sodom and Gomorrah because humans there got bad. He also killed everybody but Noah since he wasn't really satisfied how people become. Do you really try to tell that our world is such fine tuned that God is really happy with people of today, where big parts of the planet are in constant war and hatred, where millions are dying of hunger and thirst, lack of basic hygiene and medicines, where humans are used as slaves just to produce cheap bananas and t-shirts for people in west so those can spend their time arguing about goodness of the God?

Side: Atheism
8 points

Why are you talking about the Christian God? Thats not even what I am arguing about.

Side: Theism
UpForDebate(25) Clarified
1 point

You are mainly discussing worldly issues here. They said that the universe was fine-tuned, not that the people in the world were perfect or that life is easy. You were definitely not getting the point that they were attempting to get across.

Side: Theism
Tennpenn(6) Clarified
3 points

The theory of Intelligent Design contradicts itself; How can the Intelligent Designer not have been Intelligently Designed?

Side: Theism
LizziexLaura(4277) Clarified
3 points

Simple. How do you create something that is eternal and had been eternal and will be eternal and existed during all time on an infinite scale? You cant. You cant make an eternal being. You cant make something that existed before you.

Side: Theism
nooby(14) Disputed
0 points

An Intelligent Designer seems incredibly possible since our universe is so fine tuned and the laws of thermodynamics can be applied in a sense that supports the existence of a much larger eternal being.

What is your argument that fine tuned universe needs a creator? If univers was fine tuned it is still not proof that intelligent designer created it; there is no implication or equivalence between those two.

What is your proof that universe is fine tuned?

None of that you say has any logical ground; both are subjective statements of yours which you are not able to proof, nor even understand seems like.

Side: Atheism
6 points

Nobody has proof. That is the entire point of this debate which you seem to have failed in realizing.

Side: Theism
D00zy666(1) Disputed
0 points

The simulation argument is the only interesting argument for the existance of a creator, but the god that has evoled out of the DAMN bible? no way... The idea of a god has evolved throughout history and that's why the word "god" has many definitions. The god you are referring to isn't the one that came out of the bible, it's a different one, in other words it's a result of your own "self" trying to make sense of the word god itself, I just go one god further. It's a delusional state of mind, a form of mental illness...

Side: Atheism
into15(22) Disputed
0 points

We are fine-tuned to this universe. The universe is not fine-tuned to us. Evolution.

Side: Atheism
sopinionated(1) Disputed
0 points

Yes, everything is awe inspiringly fine tuned. So the Universe looks as though it has been created by a supreme intelligence? And an entity amazing enough to have done that, must itself have been created by an even greater intelligence....

Side: Atheism
King0Mir(66) Disputed
-1 points

Is the universe so fine tuned? To me, life seems poorly engineered. We have blind-spots in our eyes, because the veins in our eyes obstruct our vision. We have an appendix that serves no purpose except to occasionally become inflamed and kill us. Our reproductive system is mixed in with our body's sewer system. Our minds are easily deceived because they seem more tuned to surviving in the wild than living in our modern world. Is this how you would design a human being? Can you really say we are "intelligently" designed?

Side: Atheism
11 points

A better question is..."Is what people say about god true?". Because of course god exists, at the very least conceptually. Another better question is..."Is god a matter of serious concern to us?" to which any honest thinking person who wasn't raised to be ignorant of history must answer yes. Attempting to argue that god does not exist is as pointless as arguing about whether or not there is a universe. The question is not "does the universe exist?", it is "how can we improve our understanding of the universe?"

Side: Theism
zephyr20x6(2386) Disputed
4 points

A better question is..."Is what people say about god true?". Because of course god exists, at the very least conceptually.

The question of whether or not god exists is equally important as it directly effects the importance of understanding god better. If god only exists conceptually, then it doesn't really matter, as god could be anything you want it to be, being a concept and all.

Another better question is..."Is god a matter of serious concern to us?" to which any honest thinking person who wasn't raised to be ignorant of history must answer yes.

What exactly do you mean here? I agree with that statement but for different reasons.

Attempting to argue that god does not exist is as pointless as arguing about whether or not there is a universe.

Nobody is really arguing god doesn't exist as much as they are arguing that there is no reason to think so. If we are talking about reason to think something exists, it makes significantly more sense to argue against the idea of a god but not the universe. There is significantly more reason to acknowledge the universe exists then god.

Side: Atheism
atypican(4874) Disputed
7 points

The question of whether or not god exists is equally important as it directly effects the importance of understanding god better.

If we accept that god exists at least as a concept then we have moved beyond asking if god exists and may now logically progress to questions about god's characteristic qualities. You cannot logically discuss the qualities of something assumed to not exist.

If god only exists conceptually, then it doesn't really matter, as god could be anything you want it to be, being a concept and all.

Ideas have consequences, and thinking of god strictly as an ideological construct, this ideological construct matters alot because it affects the way us humans interact with each other. If god did not exist, god would not have major sociological implications.

What exactly do you mean here? I agree with that statement but for different reasons.

That's strikes me as odd. You agree with the statement for reasons different than what I have yet to explain to your satisfaction. ie you don't know exactly what I meant, but you know enough to know that you agree for different reasons. I'll be happy to discuss effects of god after you admit god exists. Start a new debate and invite me.

Nobody is really arguing god doesn't exist as much as they are arguing that there is no reason to think so.

If we do not first accept the premise that: "truths can be known about god", then any statement or question posed with the word god as the subject remains meaningless.

If we are talking about reason to think something exists, it makes significantly more sense to argue against the idea of a god but not the universe.

really? Why do you believe in "The Universe" instead of "The Multiverses" ?

There is significantly more reason to acknowledge the universe exists then god.'

Pantheists understand the universe as god, Do you think they believe this for "No reason"?

Side: Theism
passenger97(22) Disputed
2 points

The fact that you are so quick to say that God exists without a doubt and then criticizing people of being ignorant of history(read some darwin) is quite ironic.

Side: Atheism
LeRocky(28) Disputed
1 point

Why would you suppose that we were "quick to say that God exists without a doubt"? You do not know what went through our minds, sir.

You do not know about the journey we have been on to reach this point, sir.

So, please, try and think of the other as a person who thinks before you assume.

And keep in mind that your assuming is supposing something is the case without proof, without thinking.

Side: Theism
Name(18) Disputed
1 point

Darwin said in The Origin of Man that evolution could not have happened without God, citing the complexity of the eye as a major example of how the human body alone must have had an intelligent designer. (read some Darwin)

Side: Theism
mykebee34(119) Clarified
1 point

Honestly i get where ATYPIC is coming from. i myself do not believe in any deity. what im taking from his comments is this; people will believe whatever they choose - although there is no physical proof for any known deities it is illogical to think the beliefs of those who worship certain deities isnt proof in itself. once we acknowledge this fact we can then argue the flaws and detrimental effects of said deity.

Side: Theism
Atrag(5445) Disputed
2 points

You're playing with words. "Is what people say about God true?" is the same question as "Does God exist?". When people ask that question they're not talking about whether God exists as a concept. They're talking about whether he exists as a God: the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority.

Side: Atheism
atypican(4874) Disputed
7 points

You're playing with words.

Guilty as charged

"Is what people say about God true?" is the same question as "Does God exist?".

This is not true. There is not a universally accepted definition of god. To illustrate this, I'd pose the question to you: Does god exist as described by pantheists?

When people ask that question they're not talking about whether God exists as a concept.

This is because we can all agree that "god exists, at least as a concept". Accepting this premise is necessary to any logical discussion about god. The other premise that must be accepted is that "truths can be known about god". Without acceptance of these two premises, the term god can only be used in an illogical manner.

They're talking about whether he exists as a God: the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority.

I'm not viewing god in a manner orthodox enough for you eh?

Side: Theism
ant1greeny(5) Disputed
2 points

What has god/religion taught us about the Universe?

Without Science we would know nothing about it!

Side: Atheism
Nox0(1393) Disputed
1 point

nice off topic :D

Side: Atheism
CreateAFakeD Disputed
-1 points

"God exist" Proof please? All I see is a book that has been wrongly translated and changed within the years. Even then the whole entire book doesn't make sense. God said "Let there be light" So he somehow conjured up light and everything dealing with it? Nope, let science handle this one. Also one more thing, provide points not questions. You seem like a pasture trying to get laid by Christians. In my understanding god is supposedly our lord and if we disobey him he tortures us? Doesn't seem godlike to me. Also about your universe theory you say saying no god means there is no universe.

Not even close. Before the big bang there was no universe or time that god could have made the universe, there were no law of physics or any laws. For something to happen there must have been something earlier in time that caused that event. Asking if god made the universe is a stupid question itself. It's like asking wheres the edge of the earth. there is no possibility of a creator because there is no time for a creator to have existed. Since time itself began at the moment of the Big Bang, it was an event that could not have been caused or created by anyone or anything.

Some believe that God let the universe evolve by inserting a few laws that do not intervene with the laws in the universe. As long as the universe was created maybe we have a creator as well. If the the universe is completely self contained having no boundary or edge; would it mean there is no beginning nor ending. Don't try and put your little pea brain against this kind of mind, I am the best.

Side: Atheism
mc1934(70) Disputed
7 points

Not even close. Before the big bang there was no universe or time that god could have made the universe, there were no law of physics or any laws. For something to happen there must have been something earlier in time that caused that event. Asking if god made the universe is a stupid question itself. It's like asking wheres the edge of the earth. there is no possibility of a creator because there is no time for a creator to have existed. Since time itself began at the moment of the Big Bang, it was an event that could not have been caused or created by anyone or anything.

This statement makes no sense. Basically you are saying nothing exploded nowhere never and created a perfectly sensible and ordered universe. If there was nothing where did everything come from? A creator from outside this closed environmental loop make just as much sense as spontaneous creation of everything from nothing. It is really the same concept just with a different initiator. There was nothing then there was everything. The question is what initiated the process.

Side: Theism
3 points

You don't get it, do you? It's hard to explain it to someone with as thick skull and arrogant mind that God isn't limited to anything, not even time.

Side: Theism
Kasilofdan(9) Disputed
3 points

My references are at the bottom. Yes GOD does exist. Scientific data has been slowly and steadily proving many biblical scriptures to be a truthful reality. For example, according to Genesis the earth is just over 6,000 years old. Science has stated the earth and the planetary bodies in our solar system are 4.53 billion years old. Either creationism or naturalistic atheist way is wrong. We can’t have both. Consider this then; Titan, one of Saturn’s many moons, is covered in kilometer thick 4.5 percent methane atmosphere along with 94 percent nitrogen and other trace elements. Scientific data has proven that solar radiation when bombarding methane changes the methane into a heavy hydrocarbon called ethane (C2H6). Since Titan has a sub zero temperature any ethane would drop to the surface and create oceans of ethane maybe miles deep. This data was published in 1980. In 2005 the Huygens Lander set down on Titan and proved something very strange. Huygens recorded that there was not much ethane on Titans surface. Being 4.5 billion years old calculations have indicated there would be no methane at all only ethane on the surface. This odd phenomenon as scientist dubbed it points to a Titan that is 5 to 8 thousand years old rather than 4.5 billion. Here science has indicated that abundant methane there is evidence for a younger Titan, while scientists insist there is some natural phenomenon to explain why the methane is still there. This young Titan falls in line with biblical scripture in Genesis. In correcting its own deficiencies and errors, science is proving the existence of GOD and the truthfulness of scripture. There is much more to consider also, such as DNA being extracted from a 450 million year old fossil. DNA has a shelf life of 50,000 years under ideal storage conditions. How then can a fossil contain DNA if it is 450 million years old? This and other questions need to be answered and science is not doing a very good job. It is time to rethink the way we do our thinking.

References:

G. Lindal et al. (1983). "The atmosphere of Titan: An analysis of the Voyager 1 radio occultation measurements". Icarus 53 (2): 348–363.

Staff (April 3, 2013). "NASA team investigates complex chemistry at Titan". Phys.Org.

Coustenis, A. (2005). "Formation and evolution of Titan’s atmosphere". Space Science Reviews 116 (1-2): 171–184

Side: Theism
Vincent_F(28) Disputed
2 points

God created our concept of "time." He is outside of time, therefore the laws of time do not apply to him. He is immutable (does not change) does not age, and does not have a beginning or an end, as those things only apply to something inside of time.

Side: Theism
7 points

I always have the same song pop into my head when this debate topic comes up. When I was a younger man and used to go to church, there was a song the church sang quite often that had the line "You ask me how I know he lives? He LIVES within my heart"

That line has since become the end all to my debates on the subject. People have a right to believe anything they want to (1st Amendment) and to the extent that God* lives in some people's hearts (and or minds)... He effectively "lives" in our world.

Side: Theism
6 points

There are so many different ways of describing the Christian/Jewish/... god, and no doubt some of them are real.

Side: Theism
nooby(14) Disputed
1 point

Tell me which ones are real then. Or do you believe there are several gods and some of them are real?

Side: Atheism
Elvira(3447) Clarified
2 points

No idea, but some believe God is simply the universe... well, that's real. Some believe he was a normal ancient teacher like Jesus, Mohammed or Buddha... possible?

Side: Theism
6 points

yes!god exist we have proof of that:

if your live in India then your will come to know that there is many supernatural ativities which prove that god exist.I am not writing this because i am theism but i saw all the things which were happening in temples,maszits and many more.

I can also give you some example to support my answer:

at jammu and kashmir katra veshnu devi mandir-A flame is coming out from the rocks since the rule of akhbar.

himachal pradesh chamba naagbintru-If you say that Philosophy that you want to see the snake king in his biggest avtar then you will see him in his bigest avtar.

there are many other example which prove that god exist.If you want to know your answer practically the n the only thing you have to do is come to india and visit to the local areas of himachal for sure.There you will see alot of examples by which you will be satisfied that god is present.

Side: Theism
6 points

My references are at the bottom. Yes GOD does exist. Scientific data has been slowly and steadily proving many biblical scriptures to be a truthful reality. For example, according to Genesis the earth is just over 6,000 years old. Science has stated the earth and the planetary bodies in our solar system are 4.53 billion years old. Either creationism or naturalistic atheist way is wrong. We can’t have both. Consider this then; Titan, one of Saturn’s many moons, is covered in kilometer thick 4.5 percent methane atmosphere along with 94 percent nitrogen and other trace elements. Scientific data has proven that solar radiation when bombarding methane changes the methane into a heavy hydrocarbon called ethane (C2H6). Since Titan has a sub zero temperature any ethane would drop to the surface and create oceans of ethane maybe miles deep. This data was published in 1980. In 2005 the Huygens Lander set down on Titan and proved something very strange. Huygens recorded that there was not much ethane on Titans surface. Being 4.5 billion years old calculations have indicated there would be no methane at all only ethane on the surface. This odd phenomenon as scientist dubbed it points to a Titan that is 5 to 8 thousand years old rather than 4.5 billion. Here science has indicated that abundant methane there is evidence for a younger Titan, while scientists insist there is some natural phenomenon to explain why the methane is still there. This young Titan falls in line with biblical scripture in Genesis. In correcting its own deficiencies and errors, science is proving the existence of GOD and the truthfulness of scripture. There is much more to consider also, such as DNA being extracted from a 450 million year old fossil. DNA has a shelf life of 50,000 years under ideal storage conditions. How then can a fossil contain DNA if it is 450 million years old? This and other questions need to be answered and science is not doing a very good job. It is time to rethink the way we do our thinking.

References:

G. Lindal et al. (1983). "The atmosphere of Titan: An analysis of the Voyager 1 radio occultation measurements". Icarus 53 (2): 348–363.

Staff (April 3, 2013). "NASA team investigates complex chemistry at Titan". Phys.Org.

Coustenis, A. (2005). "Formation and evolution of Titan’s atmosphere". Space Science Reviews 116 (1-2): 171–184

Side: Theism
xBetzy(123) Disputed
1 point

You do realize that titan may have formed much later than other planets or even moons in the solar system, and even later still acquired it's methane atmosphere even later. In regard to the Huygens Lander mission there is very little controversy now and more up to date articles on Titan can be found on NASA's website and respective links on it.

Side: Atheism
6 points

Why is this on the home page again?

Side: Theism
5 points

Who does not believe in God. I believe in the one through God whose name is Jesus. I bet DanaforYeshua and other Christian believers will say the same thing. I bring a question to all atheism people "If God does not exist, where do you go when you die?" In my opinion all atheism will go to hell when they die as they never believe in Jesus our mighty saviour. I advise all atheism all people to start believing as death is like a blind hand. It will sweep you away without realising it. Here is the sinners prayer:

"Heavenly Father, have mercy on me, a sinner. I believe in you and that your word is true. I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God and that he died on the cross so that I may now have forgiveness for my sins and eternal life. I know that without you in my heart my life is meaningless.

I believe in my heart that you, Lord God, raised Him from the dead. Please Jesus forgive me, for every sin I have ever committed or done in my heart, please Lord Jesus forgive me and come into my heart as my personal Lord and Savior today. I need you to be my Father and my friend.

I give you my life and ask you to take full control from this moment on; I pray this in the name of Jesus Christ."

Amen.

Pray this prayer soon. You will experience his wonders and grace by doing so. Also come to the church nearest your home every Sunday to hear his promises for you.

Side: Theism
AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
3 points

I bring a question to all atheism people "If God does not exist, where do you go when you die?"

As if you have any idea whatsoever. And just because you might be right about heaven and hell doesnt mean i should abandon all critical thinking skill and force myself into blind faith somehow in an attempt to cover my ass.

"Heavenly Father, have mercy on me, a sinner. I believe in you and that your word is true. I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God and that he died on the cross so that I may now have forgiveness for my sins and eternal life

Just saying you believe something does not mean you actually believe it, nor does it make it true. For example, i could SAY that i believe in unicorns. Do i actually believe in them? no. i assure you i dont. And just because i might have believed in them did not make them true for those few seconds, nor for any amount of time.

I know that without you in my heart my life is meaningless.

A few of america's founders were atheists, were their lives meaningless? So was Clarence Darrow, and Douglas Adams, and Peter Atkins, and Julius Axelrod, and ALL OF THESE PEOPLE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listsofatheists

Were their lives meaningless? No. They were more meaningfull than one million of you put together. And they were so without your God.

Pray this prayer soon. You will experience his wonders and grace by doing so

I humored you and said it with full emotion. I felt nothing but the itch of a mosquito bite on my ankle and nothing more. Your wishfull thinking might trick YOU into thinking something happens when such magic words are uttered, but not me. Not us rational human beings. Sorry.

Also come to the church nearest your home every Sunday to hear his promises for you.

All i hear is "give us money". No, im not going to a church. What's the point? The bible already says that you should pray alone and not for attention and whatnot so why do you HAVE to meet up? You have all the tools you need, a bible and two clasped hands. Now i dont think that that means shit but it just goes to show you churches are pointless money funnels. I mean, you gotta have very little personal thought to even be a christian, but to be a church goer, you gotta have no personal thought whatsoever.

Also, god has a shitty track record of keeping promises. Ill take my chances with persuing my goals using my own skills and work. Thanks

Side: Atheism
Shemael(380) Disputed
2 points

Ave Satanas, believe what you believe. I don't care if you don't come to church or receive Christ because you will be going to hell and I will be going to heaven. Maybe one day, Jesus will show you something that will make you believe but until then, I will be waving at you from heaven while you are burning in hell. You should listen to me even if I am 13 because this is what is good for you. And btw, the lives of Clarence Darrow and Peter Atkins may not be meaningless now but there are certainly going to suffer in hell when they die. And at church, you don't give money, your'e receiving more of Jesus favour

Side: Theism
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

In Bible Codes, some are far out and take it far out. But some are a signature of Divine Authorship. And these ones are definitely signatures as if He etched His Word with His own hand.

Pi found in Genesis 1: 1 and adv math e found in John 1: 1.

These aren't spread out, found in difficulty, and in need of twisting. These two adv math codes are found, each found using within one verse. And each one found separately in chapter one of two seperate books, written in two separate millennials, in written in two separate languages. And the nature of interpretation works with what is there from the ancient text.

And the odds of them occurring at any point at all within all 66 books of the Bible is in probabilities of unreasonable proportions.

What do you think is the probability of a few of these together found coded in the Bible? If just musing at first glance, wouldn't you say, " no way?" I'm not even saying in the whole Bible. What is the probability all these are found in only six books out if 66?

As for me, I dont think a calculation is needed to tell me that is an unreasonable probability in calculations of a snowflakes chance in Hell!

Even crazier, pi and e are coded in two different languages, Hebrew for Jews and Greek was a time period of the Gospel's progression out to the Gentiles.

And both verses state "In the beginning," so they each speak of a time period of Creation and in Jesus as the Creator. And advanced math equations not known yet for 1000s of years to come.

In Genesis 1: 1 pi equation is encoded, in creation of the world and universe and in God stitching prophesy into appointed times to bring Creation full circle.

And in John 1: 1 in Greek while the Gospel is propelled out to the Gentiles, you find in verse one the equation for e, which is compound interest, multiplying exponentially.

So even the equations found communicate the purpose of the event. And even the Bible Author God, divided these times by purpose as shown in the 1st verses of these two books, Genesis and John. Then to add to this timetables for dating history is BC and AD.

So the Bible notes each beginning with a math equation. Then took the division of time line for dating history. And then add TORH TORH YHWY HROT HROT in the beginning of each of the five books of the Bible at intervals of Bible numbers of importance in the written text throughout every book of seven and forty-nine .

These singuarly are a stretch against reasonable probability, but for all to be right there on the top, not buried or crazy, together all these are proof of God and His Word. All of these together are impossible odds without Divine Authorship. Together these are more than just an oooh wow, these are against odds of probabilities that are not even be conceivable.

Now in contradiction beween the improbability of two faiths.

A comparison between Christianity and Evolution as ecplanation of Creation.

So on one hand, Evolutionism states strands of DNA self assembled and mutated and against all odds of occurance and against all odds of science principles and without any evidence of a physical example in front of our eyes, we are told to believe it. And that it is factual.

Then you take just these few pieces of many in evidence, tangible and available to view in everyone's individual hands. With everyone having the ability to test it, and even count out the codes for themselves, and literally proving itself in person from the beginning and in person showing agsinst all odds He not only created, but He put it in writing against all odds to prove it!

You have to be evil or an idiot to at least not step back and say there is more to God and the Bible than I currently think. Maybe I should look further!

Side: Theism
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

There are numerous calculations and measurements in the Bible from specific measurements in building designs instructed by God and in dates and times found the Bible.

Well I dont know why God put it there. Id imagine the book is so full of knowledge and wisdom and understanding that on one side its a confirmation that there is an outside influence and showing something that specific.

Even complete to the 4th decimal place in equations beyond the writers knowledge and ability. So it was a purposeful design to authenticate it. Or sign it as authored by more than the men that physically penned it.

Also God confounds the wise and mocks fools. So when the book is opened the foolishness of academia that denied God and caused multitudes to stumble and not seek God. When it is unrolled it will both mock and judge them. The blood of those they cause to stumble will be on their hands.

As far as the math itself, Im not a mathematician, so I can only think of known application as a lay person. Pi is measurements of a circle, inside out, and across etc...

pi appears in all sorts of calculations for physics, engineering, electrical systems.

The double-helix is DNA revolves around pi. Pi is in the rainbow, the pupil of the eye, and when a raindrop falls into water pi emerges in the spreading rings. It appears in colors and in music. It is also used in probability and statistics.

So I think the placement is not a calculation as in a word problem. But all incompassing of God's creation, intervention, judgement, and salvation. He brings creation full circle from creation to fall to our redemption.

Fullness of His dwelling. Complete measurement. God uses math and measurements within the scriptures also. Like measurements of the Noahs Ark and the Ark of the Covenant. And all kinds of measurements. So measurements and math are not foriegn to the actual reading of the written text.

So hidden in verse 1 of chapter 1 in Genesis and In John 1: 1 is profound and absolute design written by more than the pen of men!!

Gen 6 - Ark Measurements

14 Make for yourself an ark of gopher wood; you shall make the ark with rooms, and shall cover it inside and out with pitch. 15 This is how you shall make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16 You shall make a window for the ark, and finish it to a cubit from the top; and set the door of the ark in the side of it; you shall make it with lower, second, and third decks.

17 Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.

Romans 8

38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

And "e" found in John 1: 1 Would be measurements of exponential growth. Which is what happened bt the Jews initially rejecting the Messiah.

Causing it to go out to the Gentiles. But also prophesied to come full circle, and lift the veil. To make a round trip so to speak, to reveal to the Jews also so in the end they also see the Messiah as who He is, Jesus.

Completing His creation full circle! And His salvation saves exponentially.

Side: Theism
riahlize(1573) Disputed
2 points

In my opinion all atheism will go to hell when they die as they never believe in Jesus our mighty saviour. I advise all atheism all people to start believing as death is like a blind hand. It will sweep you away without realising it.

Someone can say this about any religion. Why should I believe Jesus is real over Krishna?

Side: Atheism
nooby(14) Disputed
3 points

In my opinion all atheism will go to hell when they die as they never believe in Jesus our mighty saviour. I advise all atheism all people to start believing as death is like a blind hand. It will sweep you away without realising it.

Let me tell you a secret: death will sweep away you as well. It will ultimately sweep away each and every human :).

Side: Theism
Nox0(1393) Disputed
1 point

You are the ultimate brain dead drone, perfect Christian, if you'd Muslim you'd already blown up some nursery .

Side: Atheism
SC17(25) Disputed
0 points

First off, what you just said wasn't even a real argument; it was more of an attack than anything. Also, what you just said simultaneously makes you and your cause look bad.

Now, Shemael is right here; you will be going to hell if you don't repent. If you do repent, I guarantee that it will be life-changing. If you want some evidence, look at Lee Stroble, author of The Case for Christ. He was an atheist like you and managed to find reasonable proof for the existence of God. I would recommend getting that book if you're still debating on whether God exists or not.

Side: Theism
runderekrun(159) Disputed
-1 points

Shamael,fuck off dont preach,just prove,i can prove there is no god next sunday by walking in a church and let of a bomb,so why would tour god let all the ones who survive live with pain and that it happened in the safest place on earth,fuck off

Side: Atheism
Stryker(849) Disputed
2 points

# JustinCarter2

Side: Theism
5 points

It is interesting throughout history the message of love, peace and compassion becomes perverted even if the bearer of that message is a supreme cosmic power. The Big Bang can be likened as a mother that conceives the universe. So anyway, these prophets always get this epiphany from messengers be it Angel or during solidarity and isolation and to give words to them is the worst possible mistake. Their primitive minds uses this privilege to give themselves authority that their judgement, since 'I am the chosen one' absolute and just.

So do I believe in God? Yes. But because we undermine the original message

we need to move forward with the times and not take things too literally. Their purpose have been fulfilled and now everyone has faith but often forget the spiritual aspects of it. Segregation and murder is a choice made by humans. Even if your dusty tome tells you to, we all learn to draw the line since we all have common sense. Some people think the Big Bang is the final (boring too) answer some people dont. Perfectly understandable.

Side: Theism
5 points

All I can say for those who do not believe in Jesus is Good Luck in hell. Only Jesus can perform miracles in your life. Read the story of Elijah in the bible and you will understand. But I don't think you atheism will ever read it.

Side: Theism
AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
3 points

Ive read the entire bible and it has actually made me MORE of an atheist. The whole thing is riddled with fabrications and errors it practically reflects the writing of a third grader.

Also, if you actually believe that not only are people who dont believe in god going to hell, but that they actually DESERVE to be tortured for eternity, youre a fucked up human being with absolutely zero sense of morality or personal thought beyond that of what your stupid book and insane religion has told you.

Side: Atheism
xBetzy(123) Disputed
2 points

Hell is never mentioned in either the Torah or the Bible. The primitive and brief explanations given are of a proto-underworld similar to Hades' domain.

Side: Atheism
Tim17(103) Disputed
1 point

Please provide evidence for God and hell. And also your bible is man made.

Side: Atheism
runderekrun(159) Disputed
1 point

Fucked up dickhead,i dont think you will read the bible,i read it and then burnt it,and i will read it again and burn it once again,miracles today spastic,arent you living a shit life so you may have eternal life,so why any miracles today,must be for us no believers,as you dont need a miracle,you already believe,thick skull/little brain.

Side: Atheism
5 points

There is a supreme super power above all living and nonliving organisms , this super power is defined as GOD

Side: Theism
nooby(14) Disputed
1 point

There is a supreme super power above all living and nonliving organisms , this super power is defined as GOD

What would be your proof for that supreme power?

Side: Atheism

Nep... Nep... Nep...

Yep. I am a theist. Oh, everyone have a really nice day.

Side: Theism
4 points

Now I don't fully believe in God, but I must say I can't disprove "its" existence. First of all, I have noticed in the Quran, there are many scientific claims that have been proven many times. There is a whole book about it, but what particularly interested me is The Big Bang, Shape of the Earth, the Moons source of light, and the existence of Atoms. I find this interesting because I study Physics and just love these concepts. Evolution has always seemed like an interesting idea to me, however there really has been so much controversy around it that I decided to scrap the whole idea. I mean, lets face it, Science has corrected itself millions of times while this 1000 year old book hasn't changed a word. Im not muslim, i dont want to be, its just interesting. When I mean controversy I mean that people have staged many fossils (and it hasn't been conducted fully in a lab and hasn't been quantified). To conclude, you can't quantify God, and I only believe in things you can explain in a formula. But this is.... coincidence?

Side: Theism
ds229(29) Disputed
1 point

It's weird that you find the shape of the earth and the moons "source of light" interesting since those things are so simple to understand. The earth is round because gravity compresses it. Try putting some putty on a table and wait for a bit. it will smooth out and flatten out. The moon's "light source" is the sun's light waves reflecting off the moon.

Side: Atheism
Name(18) Disputed
1 point

Describe to me how gravity shapes the Earth; what is gravity; what all does gravity affect and how; why round; etc. I could do the same for the moon analogy, but I think you see my point.

Side: Theism

It is foolish to say you can completly disprove or prove God's existance. In my opinion he wanted it to be this way, so you must have faith. One thing I find stupid is when people get mad at God, because they think is design is stupid, when in face you are nothing compared to him.

Side: Theism
Sitara(11088) Disputed
0 points

I object to that. .

Side: Atheism

I saw one argument ''he almost undoubtedly does not'' .. be careful to make such a claim.

Just look at the human body, how well programmed it is, look inside a human cell, watch the DNA and how accurate and well designed it is.

To say that that came from nothing is not science, it is magic.

Side: Theism
nooby(14) Disputed
1 point

So you think that brain cancer is well programmed feature by the God? As well as Down syndrome and CP? Do you mean that leukemia is accurate and well design?

Tell me what proof do you have that DNA and human body is not a result of ever ending process of improvement?

Side: Atheism
3 points

So you think that brain cancer is well programmed feature by the God? As well as Down syndrome and CP? Do you mean that leukemia is accurate and well design?

I never said God is good. I never said God can't make mistakes either, I never said the system God created is perfect. I don't think it is meant to be perfect.

Tell me what proof do you have that DNA and human body is not a result of ever ending process of improvement?

Do you mean evolution? If you mean evolution, I have no intentions of disproving it because it is a well known fact.

Side: Theism

God is real. If not, how were we created? How were our ancestors created? How were the forests, seas and skies created? God created the heavens and the earth. He created the universe where all the planets are created. In the Bible's first chapter, it explains how everything was made and how our world developed.

Supporting Evidence: Genesis: the First Book of the Bible (www.biblegateway.com)
Side: Theism
Nox0(1393) Disputed
2 points

Quoting bible is as valid agrument as citing Harry Potter .

Side: Atheism
IxI_rook_imi(5) Clarified
1 point

I personally like to cite Master Yoda, Luke Skywalker, sometimes Mace Windu for my irrefutable proofs. I'm told that's acceptable.

Side: Theism
seanB(760) Disputed
1 point

We weren't "created". We evolved. There is proof of one, and no proof of the other.

Side: Atheism
4 points

God is proved by Quantum Mechanics. Quantum Mechanics states that before the universe, there were quantum fluctuations occurring all over the place. The Big Bang was most likely a massive quantum fluctuation that became self-sustaining, but to become self-sustaining external forces would have to aid it so that it could become powerful enough. Since no other matter existed, God is the only explanation. A quantum fluctuation expands quickly if it becomes self-sustaining, and since time was not invented yet it probably seemed like a huge very fast explosion. There is more but that is all for now.

Side: Theism

"The bible says God exists, so God exists". Very bad way to argue with atheists.

Side: Theism
superswimmer(174) Clarified
2 points

I disagree. Because they base their authority on senses and reasoning which are fallible and can't be tested empirically. The Bible is infallible and is the basis for knowledge and understanding, therefore it is more reliable then what they use to argue.

Side: Theism
IxI_rook_imi(5) Disputed
1 point

Spider-Man comics are irrefutable as well. Should we use them when determining how to lead our lives as well?

Side: Atheism
4 points

How might we prove that God is imaginary? One way would be to find a contradiction between the definition of God and the God we experience in the real world.

What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.

We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.

Will anything happen? No. Of course not.

This is very odd. Jesus makes specific promises in the Bible about how prayer is supposed to work. Jesus says in many different places that he and God will answer your prayers. And Christians believe Jesus -- according to this recent article, "54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true." In some areas of the country the number goes as high as 75%.

If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.

In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:

For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

If "nothing will be impossible to you", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying.

In Matthew 21:21:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."

The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:

Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

If God says, "believe that you have received it, and it will be yours," and if we believe in God and his power, then what should happen if we pray to cure cancer tonight? It should be cured. Either that, or God is lying.

In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:

"I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." [ref]

Look at how direct this statement is: "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." This is the "Son of God" speaking. Have we taken him "too literally?" No. This is a simple, unambiguous statement. Have we taken his statement "out of context?" No - Jesus uses the word anyone. Yet Jesus' statement is obviously false. Because when we ask God to cure cancer tonight, nothing happens.

We see the same thing over and over again...

In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says:

Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

In James 5:15-16 the Bible says:

And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

In Mark 9:23:

All things are possible to him who believes.

In Luke 1:37:

For with God nothing will be impossible.

Nothing could be simpler or clearer than Jesus' promises about prayer in the Bible. Yet, when we pray to eliminate cancer, nothing happens.

And keep in mind that this is Jesus talking here. These are not the words of human beings. These are not the words of "inspired" human beings. These are supposedly the words of God himself, incarnated in a human body. Jesus is supposed to be a perfect, sinless being. And yet, it is obvious that Jesus is lying. What Jesus says is clearly incorrect.

Side: Theism
crw1000(13) Disputed
2 points

god has to be a part of creation if god does exist.i think creation is the most powerful force around.i say the created god changes with the continuing evolution of creation.in other words the created god of 2013 is a different form of creation than the created god of say pre history.in 1000 years time the created god will be different again.

Side: Atheism
rexwilson(37) Disputed
3 points

God cannot be created. If God was created then God cannot be God. God was not created and therefore is God.

There must be an intelligent mind behind everything.

Side: Theism
rexwilson(37) Disputed
2 points

The statistics you presented on prayers coming through is simply nonsense. I'm sure the stats doesn't cover that there are many prayers not answered until many years after they are said. What if the 30% percent fall into that category? If you read the Bible, you will find that many times people waited for for years before receiving an answer.

"Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying."

Jesus was speaking directly to his apostles when he told them that the prayer of faith would accomplish anything they set their mind to. And it so happened that all the great miracles recorded in "the Acts of the Apostles" were fulfillment of those things Jesus had promised.

When Jesus said that anything asked in his name would be granted, he was telling the truth in that many outstanding results have been accomplished in the name of Jesus, since the apostles have passed away. There are many accounts of miracles happening after the apostles in St. Augustine's City of God. There have been many other miracles established since then in the name of Jesus, up to modern day, some of which I have personally witnessed. But since your fond of calling people liars to further your "hardness of heart," you will also say that I'm lying.

Jesus didn't mean that we had an unlimited wish-list. There is a text in James that addresses those who don't receive answers to their prayers: those who pray amiss, missing the will and purpose of God. You see many pray for stones to turn into bread instead of understanding why Jesus didn't do so, even though he had the power to.

Prayers are most powerful when they are humble and to better others. When we seek the kingdom of God first in our praying our prayers are more readily answered.

Speak for yourself when you say that prayers don't work, because prayers have always worked for me.

Side: Atheism
Nox0(1393) Disputed
2 points

Citing bible is like citing a comic book to prove existence of batman .

Side: Atheism
Nox0(1393) Disputed
2 points

Quoting bible is as valid agrument as citing Harry Potter .

Side: Atheism
4 points

if god doesn't exist then who created man and the world

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Side: Theism
nooby(14) Disputed
2 points

World has always existed, it is worlds nature. Man was created by same force as all other living beings, both animals and plants and anything else that has dna in itself.

Side: Atheism
UpForDebate(25) Disputed
1 point

The universe has not always existed, this has been scientifically proven. The universe is slowly shrinking, dying out, contracting, etc. The point is, it will come to an end.

Think of it this way: A flashlight has batteries, energy, right? Let's say the flashlight is on. The flashlight is slowly dying out and growing less bright. It can not have been on since the beginning of time. (Ignoring the fact that flashlights had not been invented yet. This is purely hypothetical.) If it had, it would have already run out of energy. Just like how the universe is slowly dying out, and running out of energy.

If the universe was eternal, it would have died out by now. But since the universe is not eternal, it still has life left and is using it up until, undeniably, it will come to a definite end.

I'm hoping you saw where I was going with this. Explanation is not my strong suit.

Side: Theism
Nox0(1393) Disputed
0 points

if god doesn't exist then who created man and the world

idiot, how did you even managed to learn how to use computer?

Side: Atheism
2 points

God showed him the path.

And God is all knowing, so for God to show this guy something means he is far from an idiot.

Side: Atheism

The proof that the Christian God exists is simple.

First, nobody needs proof because Romans 1 says all know and are without excuse, those who call themselves 'atheists' do know there is a God, they just hate him and his laws.

The Proof is:

Major premise: Without God, you could not know anything

Minor premise: You know things

Conclusion: Therefore, God exists.

Support for Major premise: There are only two ways to know anything, absolute knowledge or revelation from one with absolute knowledge. Because if you did not have absolute knowledge, something you don't know could contradict what you think you know, therefore those without absolute knowledge cannot know anything.

To be all knowing is to be God. God is then only one who knows all things.

Therefore, to know anything, you would have to have revelation from God.

Support for Minor premise: You know things. The funny thing about atheists is that everytime they open their mouth they utter a knowledge claim. Yet, as I have just proved, if there is no God no one can know anything. Any argument an atheist presents relies upon the existence of knowledge and logic, both un-accounted for in an atheistic worldview. Even to say "I don't know anything" is to make a knowledge claim. A common rebuttal is "I don't know anything, but neither do you!" it doesn't take long to see the flawed logic in that statement, for if you don't know anything, how do you know what I know?

The logical conclusion is that, because without God you could not know anything and you know things, God exists. And each vote for the atheists side can be counted as a vote for the Theism side because each of those arguments prove God exists.

Repent and put your trust in Christ alone. You love you sin and that is why you call yourself an atheist. You don't want there to be a God so you can do whatever you want with no eternal consequence, but you know he exists, you do not need this proof, and if you don't trust in Christ's blood to pay for your sins you will pay for them for eternity.

For more information in this argument, go to proofthatgodexists.org

Side: Theism
AwaitJustice(2) Disputed
4 points

You used the Bible as your source. Not very efficient, considering that your opponents don't even believe in it.

If God existed before us humans, then why wasn't the Bible written at the very beginning of humankind? Please don't say something like:

"Because the humans then weren't developed enough yet." My response: I thought God was supposed to be all-powerful. Wouldn't he have made the first humans perfect at once?

"Because God wanted us (people who lived "after the Bible was written") to be the ones to believe in him." My response: Doesn't your Bible say something about God 'loving all his children?' Or something like that.

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Also, you said: " You love you sin and that is why you call yourself an atheist. You don't want there to be a God so you can do whatever you want with no eternal consequence, but you know he exists, you do not need this proof, and if you don't trust in Christ's blood to pay for your sins you will pay for them for eternity."

Well, that was interesting. And outrageous.

You're saying that anyone who doesn't believe the same things as you are evil beings. Thanks a lot.

If this were true, then all atheists would be murdering and stealing and destroying the world by now. That hasn't happened.

A lot of wars have been fought because of religion.

Lastly, do really think God would approve of the ways the Native Americans were treated when the Christians came to the New World? I hardly think he'd support whipping and beating and yelling.

This modern, ignorant treatment isn't any better.

Side: Atheism
Nox0(1393) Disputed
2 points

Just pile of illogical shit .

Side: Atheism
4 points

I will support that God does exist.

The bible may seem very illogical, however if you look at science. For example Solid matter, you may or may not begin to realize the confusion of what makes Solid matter solid, you may say solid matter is solid because the particles are solid, but what makes the particles solid? You could say forces make particles solid, but what gives forces this ability?

So you can come to the conclusion that God creates the rules of the universe(including what gives forces the ability), you could in fact argue that there could be other rules that the universe would have followed perfectly, and that he can do anything. The question is what is God? God might not be psychical, and that he is a being who has no limit's to what he can do. In fact you could say, with God anything could be possible!

Side: Theism
4 points

Christians have more doubt than everything added about their god,i have sold stolen goods to them,where a muslim has walked away,but they have all their doubt in themselves cause they know they arent good.christians living a good just life so they must make up for it by preaching their filthy diahrea up all our asses and they just cannot concept that 1 plus 1 equals 2,but bash it in at a young age/spastic(if of age)and teach them that 1 plus 1 equals 1million miracles,now FUCKOFF

Side: Theism
4 points

William Lane Craig (PhD and Professor) had said that empty space is not nothing. A void (or empty space) is still space, even though empty. It is still a dimension. Now a dimensionless state is nothing, empty space is something. According to Scotus Dun’s (Oxford graduate and scholar) argument of causes and effects there has to be a cause for an effect. An endless amount of causes (like the universe always existing) is impossible. In ancient Greece there was once a god named “chaos”, which literally was nothing. But they treated it as a god (or a supreme being) because it led to the creation of the other gods. Now scientifically, the universe happened when “nothing” began to vibrate and created a void, and continued vibrating until a small microscopic particle called the Higgs Boson (aka “the God particle”or particle that gives everything mass) exploded and created the expansion of the universe which led to the creation of 9 dimensions. 8 spatial and 1 temporal. Which led to mass but technically did not create mass because mass is positive and gravity is negative. So the total amount of mass and gravity equals out to zero, so it still follows the law of conservation of mass. Keep in mind before the big bang, time (the temporal dimension), did not exist. And after the big bang height, width, and depth were created, as well as time, which were 4 of the said dimensions. So as the universe expanded it created atoms which eventually fused and created suns and planets. One of which planet was earth. And the first life forms arose (cyanobacteria); which later led to humans. Now genetically all humans can be traced back to one male and one female, and in the book of Genesis the first humans were one male (Adam) and one female (eve). And the Dead Sea scrolls do not rule out evolution. In fact they support it. In the book of Enoch it describes Giant’s that walked the earth before and alongside humans, which supports fossil evidence of human evolution. Now explain to me how 5,000 years before genetic testing people knew that humanity started with one male and one female. Also describe how the Greeks would know about the vibration that led to the creation of the universe, even naming it, before modern science. And finally how can you explain how “nothing” can vibrate and lead to the something before TIME even existed? There scientifically had to have been someone to create that effect, because an effect can’t happen without a cause, it’s scientifically impossible. Plus the laws such as conservation of mass and physics are organized, and the Universe is spontaneous, and scientifically only intelligent life can set laws. Like Isaac Newton and John Scotus Duns both said that no cause can happen without an effect, and “every action has an equal and opposite reaction” sounds familiar doesn't it? Because without a cause there can be no effect, and there can be no endless amount of causes. How can you say that the universe created itself? Not only does that go against John Scotus Duns argument, Isaac Newton’s laws of motion, but even Einstein ruled out Atheism. Something will not and has not ever been created from nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial Eve

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal Adam

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/duns-scotus/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BTT62YJCI8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe

Side: Theism
Stryker(849) Disputed
3 points

William Lane Craig xD.

Side: Atheism
tomcruise55(17) Disputed
4 points

I'm guessing you have a PhD and are a professor as well? I don't understand why you wouldn't believe in God. I mean you look like Jesus. lol.

Side: Theism
Nox0(1393) Disputed
2 points

Craig :D just another deluded moron full of shit .

Side: Atheism

Just one word, "Christmas!!!" ;)

Side: Theism
joecavalry(37549) Clarified
4 points

I was going to say, "Free stuff/presents!!!" but that's more than one word, so... ;)

Side: Theism

#1- There's too much Evidence of the Big Bang Theory!

#2- Too evidence of Evolution.

#3- Toumai or Saheleanthropus didn't worship God.

#4-No evidence proving that any of these "Gods" exist!

Side: Theism
HaleyT(7) Disputed
2 points

Then why are you on the theism side if you know about all of this evidence?

Side: Atheism
3 points

It was an acciden. I was rushing in the middle of class. Every times long on to this site I'm in school. Cut a guy some slack.

Side: Theism
4 points

Obviously God exists. The idea that the beauty of this universe just came about by accident is something no educated person can believe.

Side: Theism
Nox0(1393) Disputed
2 points

Beauty is subjective. It is not objective centralized thing or constant .

Side: Atheism
4 points

IF YOU THIN THERE IS NO GOD

THINK ABOUT CREATING YOUR EYES WHICH YOU CAN SEE WITH THEM

THINK ABOUT CREATING YOUR EARS WHICH YOU CAN HEAR SOUNDS AND OTHERS

THINK ABOUT CREATING YOUR HAND WHICH YOU CAN MOVE HIT AND PLAY WITH

THINK ABOUT CREATING YOUR BRAIN WHICH YOU CAN THINK BY IT

THIS SOME EXAMPLES FROM OUR BODIES HOWEVER CREATING THE SKY EARTH PLANTS ANIMALS AND EVERY THING AROUND US......

ALLAH IS THE GREATEST.....

Side: Theism
AngryGenX(463) Disputed
0 points

Your moon goddess made eyes and ears? How is that relevant?........................................................................................

Side: Atheism
4 points

An explosion destroys not create! how can the big bang cause a world to create? Especially if you think of one individual human being, to create such a sophisticated creature, the brain alone should make you wonder how all of a sudden it appeared to be! even atheists know that there has to be a god, it`s just that if you admit it, then all of a sudden there instructions of god to follow,the holy bible. Tell an atheist to tell her mother in her death bed that she should go to hell, this cannot happen because inside of every ones heart they know the truth. it`s just that they are afraid to admit it.

Side: Theism
ant1greeny(5) Disputed
3 points

If you blow up a rock face, yes it destroys it, but it also CREATES new smaller rocks.

I admit this does not explain how something exploded from nothing, but neither does god!

Did he just suddenly appear!?

You must be pretty stupid if you think atheists believe a brain was instantly created from nothing.

We believe that matter slowly (over millions/billions of years) created things & that these creations slowly adapted to be more effective.

"All atheists know there must be a God"

What!?

Do you know what atheism is!?

Once my parents (who are Christian) told me "If we are wrong, we don't lose anything because we will just die & that will be it. But if you're wrong, you lose everything, so why not believe?"

That got me thinking, most religious people are religious because they need a sort of 'safety net' around their life.

Religious person has a difficult situation-they pray.

Atheist has the same difficult situation-They solve it.

Us Atheists do not need someone else ruling our life just so we don't feel 'alone'.

Side: Atheism
Vincent_F(28) Disputed
5 points

"If you blow up a rock face, yes it destroys it, but it also CREATES new smaller rocks.

I admit this does not explain how something exploded from nothing, but neither does god!

Did he just suddenly appear!?"

God created our concept of "time." He is outside of time, therefore the laws of time do not apply to him. He is immutable (does not change) does not age, and does not have a beginning or an end, as those things only apply to something inside of time. Things inside of time must have a beginning, must age and grow, change, dissolve, decrease, and decay. Energy alone cannot sustain itself; it can only deplete and over a period of Time, and eventually run out. Energy INSIDE of time must have a source. It cannot increase itself without an external source, it only can decrease. There must be a self-sustaining "well" of energy that continues to supply the Universe, otherwise everything would have already brought about it's own destruction, or depletion. Therefore, the only logical and reasonable explanation is an external, self-sustaining energy source that exists OUTSIDE of time.

"You must be pretty stupid if you think atheists believe a brain was instantly created from nothing. "

You have made a very good point. An excellent one, perfectly logical and reasonable, and you are right. A brain cannot be instantly created from nothing. I hate to have to turn this around on you, but actually by saying that you are contradicting the entire Atheist argument. You say that a brain cannot be created from nothing, yet you will argue and say that a single particle of matter somehow appeared from nothing and then proceeded to evolve over billions of years into... Trees, stars, oceans, animals... humans... (hence billions of brains)... and all out of a single particle of matter which came from.......... what?

"We believe that matter slowly (over millions/billions of years) created things & that these creations slowly adapted to be more effective."

Use your logic, just for a moment! Take it back to the beginning to this matter that you say started it all. (Let's call this matter "M+") Where did M+ come from? Are you saying that M+ did not have a creator? That M+ has always existed? (Which strangely sounds like the argument for God) Or are you saying that M+ jumped into existence out of absolutely nothing, out of no pre-existing material? (which contradicts science in every way)

There are only three arguments to debate on that issue.

1) Matter has always existed

2) Matter jumped into existence with no outside source

3) Matter was created by an external source

1) -If you say matter (M+ for the purpose of this statement) has always existed, I would say that theory is only possible if M+ is outside of time and does not need a creator, which would not make sense because you say the matter "evolved" and if this were true, anything that it evolved into would be outside of time as well, meaning you and I and animals and the Earth would not age or decay. The mere fact that we age and decay is proof that we are inside of time. And that also does not explain where physical laws like gravity and time itself came from.

2) --If you say that M+ jumped into existence out of nothing, then I would tell you that you are contradicting science itself, and there would no more point in discussing the theory. You and I and any other logical thinker both know that is not possible. The same goes for any other theory. Saying that chemicals mixed together and created the matter, I would make the same argument, asking where the chemicals came from, etc. I believe it all boils down to an Uncaused Causer.

3) --If you agree with science and say that the matter has to have an external cause in order to exist, then I would simply concede my argument and my case for God would have been made. God exists outside of time, God CREATED time and is not governed BY time, and He created everything that exists INSIDE of time. The Uncaused Causer, so-to-speak.

"...most religious people are religious because they need a sort of 'safety net' around their life."

What is interesting about your statement here is that for the most part, you are right. Religion, as defined by man's attempt to be equal to God through rituals and traditions and good deeds, (hate to step on anyone's toes) is corny and faulty, and any smart person (Atheist, Theist, Agnostic, whatever...) can see right through it. I consider myself a Christian, but I recognize that the typical Christian (99% actually) is religious and usually hypocritical. However do not equate hypocritical religion with the belief IN God. The simple belief that God exists is not religion; it is science, logic and reason. Religion is driven by emotion, pride, and greed, whether people want to admit it or not. You can be Christian and be led into religion without even knowing it. I understand you have met so many hypocritical, religious theists, but be careful not to label EVERY single person who believes in the existence of God under the same label as "hypocritical" and "religious."

"Religious person has a difficult situation-they pray.

Atheist has the same difficult situation-They solve it."

I, taking my stance as a non-religious, Bible-believing Christian, believe that God exists, that He is perfect, and that he loves us. (If you want to discuss this I would be happy to, but on a different debate...) He hates the problems in our lives and the fact that we go through so much pain. It hurts him to see how much pain we go through, but he will not mess with free will and make us like robots, to do whatever he wants, as that would corrupt His perfection and make him imperfect. The fact that we have free will means that we have a choice whether or not to believe in Him. He leaves that up to us. He gives us as much evidence as possible, so that we can figure out on our own that He exists just by using the tools he gave us in our minds, the tools of Logic and Reason.

Because of our free will, we as humanity disobey God all the time. This disobedience is called "sin." We "sin" all the time, starting with Adam and Eve. Because God is perfect, part of His perfection is Justice. He must see that injustice is punished and justice is done, otherwise He would be corrupt. We have sinned, done wrong, and therefore have to be punished rightfully by just action. He is perfect and therefore has the right to judge us. He created a place called hell that is basically like a prison, a jail for the unjust. It is our punishment for our sin, and we deserve it. However God HATES to see us punished no matter what we've done because He loves us, and so because of His love He created a way that we could escape that punishment. He took a part of Himself, His son, and sent His son to die as a sacrifice in our place. That son was called Jesus Christ. Jesus set aside His divine attributes for a while and was born on Earth, and lived a perfect, sinless life. God had nothing to punish Him for, so when Jesus was crucified, God saw Him as a replacement for us, and God punished Jesus instead of us for our sin. Every sin that we ever would commit, God punished Jesus for it. Jesus finally died after God punished Him on the cross that He was nailed to, and then Jesus after three days in the tomb was resurrected, and defeated death and hell. Now, because of that, God is able to forgive us based on Jesus' sacrifice, and we don't have to go to hell and be punished; instead we can live with God in the place that He is designing for us as a blessing after we die. We now can have hope, and God can't wait to give us an awesome place in Heaven after death.

All of this is simple: If you accept Jesus Christ's sacrifice, and believe that He died in your place, you receive forgiveness and don't have to worry about punishment anymore. All it takes is for you to believe it and accept it as truth.

This is not religion, because God does not require you to go to church, go through any rituals, live a good life, or even be moral to be forgiven. And that is where the confusion lies in the world today. People think they have to do something to get heaven, and they become prideful and arrogant much of the time. It's all just confusion of the truth.

Just use the tools of Logic and Reason to study all of these things that I have told you, and see if they don't make sense! Have an open mind, study translations of the Bible and see what it originally was meant to say as opposed to the translations in English. You will find it does not contradict itself. Study the life of Jesus, even using non-Biblical texts. Philosophers (Atheist and Theist alike) will admit to the life and death of Jesus. The empty tomb after He was resurrected has never been refuted, and if He was resurrected, that means He was who He said He was and that you can have faith in Him. Do all of this without bias and pre-conceived notions!

"Us Atheists do not need someone else ruling our life just so we don't feel 'alone'."

The question is not if you FEEL alone, it is whether or not you ARE alone. If God does not exist, there is no reason to be moral, to live with standards, regardless of how you feel. But that also means there is no hope. If you're wrong, God exists, and you have purpose and there is a meaning to life that you haven't discovered yet. I know where I am going when I die; I have hope, because I know there is purpose to life and this one is not the end. I can't explain it or prove it personally to you, you just have to experience it for yourself.

I know where I am going, and I have a reason to have hope. Can you say the same?

Side: Theism
rafaelbello(2) Disputed
2 points

if you don't want a "safety net' that is your problem. and the explosion argument is stupid

and also then can the atheist please explain then the conscience? or maybe abstract feelings. because i am pretty sure those aren't natural or come from anything material, and it certainly doesn't take millions of years either.

and god doesn't rule our life we freely choose to do this

Side: Theism
4 points

Don't you guys get tired of doing these debates? It's like you need them to stroke your ego or something.

Far as a god or gods go, I'm not certain. But pretty sure Atheism isn't the right thing, as well. Mainly since I exist, and yes that is a total fallacy and I don't care if you call me on it.

Side: Theism
4 points

There is a God for sure. The perfection of the things out here had to be created with an intelligent mind. No way a big bang made everything perfect and reasonably stable. "The Big Bang" started with one atom? The explosion from one Atom would only have enough force to create a nuclear explosion without not create a whole Universe with perfect life on Earth. You cannot disprove the existence of God. Ceasar only has 3 eyewitnesses of his Existence which then clarifies his existence but Jesus 18 eyewitnesses of his Existence and you still can't believe? Jesus had been proven to be the son of God. There is no good reason for Athiesm to be true. The proof of Jesus is the proof of God's existence. They definitely did not make up the stories of Jesus. All of the Canon(66 books in the Bible) agrees within its self. For example; Luke will give another perspective of Jesus in the same event as what Matthew wrote. Athiest say that the Gospels contradict each other but it actually appears to contradict each but it does not. Apparent contradictions are good to see from different eyewitnesses because if they said the same event exactly the same then it would appear that they set up a made up story. But you can put the perspectives of different eyewitnesses stories into one. Just like there can be 4 witnesses of a wonderful BBQ. One can talk about the grass, one can talk about the Chicken,one can talk about the salad, and one can talk about the fireworks. Each testimony may not talk about the same things about the BBQ nor have the same order but if you put all of the 4 testimonies together you will then get a full picture of the BBQ. They may even address what the other testimonies did address also but in a different way. Ok you get the point. The Bible is proven true through Archaeology and reason. God is proven true through the ressurection of his son Jesus. Prophecy proves the Bible to be true. Science and God agrees with each other. We dont agree with the Atheistic philosophy of science. If you come at the right approach then you will understand that science proves God. "There is no good reason for Athiesm to be true." William Lane Craig stated. I completely agree on that statement from Craig.

Side: Theism
4 points

Yes God DOES exist and here is some proof

Romans 1:20

For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

1 Corinthians 8:6 ESV / 92 helpful votes

Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Revelation 4:11 ESV / 45 helpful votes

“Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created.”

Hebrews 11:6 ESV / 44 helpful votes

And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

1 John 4:8 ESV / 40 helpful votes

Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Romans 1:18-20 ESV / 39 helpful votes

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Colossians 1:15 ESV / 36 helpful votes

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

John 1:1-2 ESV / 30 helpful votes

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

Romans 1:21 ESV / 26 helpful votes

For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

James 1:17 ESV / 20 helpful votes

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.

John 3:8 ESV / 20 helpful votes

The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

John 1:18 ESV / 20 helpful votes

No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

Genesis 1:27 ESV / 18 helpful votes

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Psalm 90:2 ESV / 17 helpful votes

Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.

1 Peter 3:18-22 ESV / 14 helpful votes

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

John 4:24 ESV / 13 helpful votes

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

John 3:16-17 ESV / 13 helpful votes

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Romans 1:18 ESV / 12 helpful votes

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

Jeremiah 29:13 ESV / 12 helpful votes

You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

Psalm 19:1 ESV / 12 helpful votes

To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

Romans 1:25 ESV / 11 helpful votes

Because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

Isaiah 40:26 ESV / 11 helpful votes

Lift up your eyes on high and see: who created these? He who brings out their host by number, calling them all by name, by the greatness of his might, and because he is strong in power not one is missing.

Genesis 2:1-25 ESV / 11 helpful votes

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation. These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground,

Genesis 1:1-31 ESV / 11 helpful votes

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Romans 1:28 ESV / 10 helpful votes

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

Job 38:4 ESV / 10 helpful votes

“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.

Psalm 14:1-4 ESV / 9 helpful votes

To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man, to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one. Have they no knowledge, all the evildoers who eat up my people as they eat bread and do not call upon the Lord?

John 6:55-59 ESV / 8 helpful votes

For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” Jesus said these things in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum.

John 6:50-71 ESV / 8 helpful votes

This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

John 3:16 ESV / 8 helpful votes

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Isaiah 7:14 ESV / 8 helpful votes

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

James 2:19 ESV / 7 helpful votes

You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!

John 14:21 ESV / 7 helpful votes

Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.”

Mark 16:15-16 ESV / 7 helpful votes

And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

John 20:29 ESV / 6 helpful votes

Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

John 20:19-24 ESV / 6 helpful votes

On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

Psalm 13:5-6 ESV / 5 helpful votes

But I have trusted in your steadfast love; my heart shall rejoice in your salvation. I will sing to the Lord, because he has dealt bountifully with me.

Deuteronomy 33:27 ESV / 5 helpful votes

The eternal God is your dwelling place, and underneath are the everlasting arms. And he thrust out the enemy before you and said, Destroy.

Romans 6:23 ESV / 4 helpful votes

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 2:14 ESV / 4 helpful votes

For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.

John 3:5 ESV / 4 helpful votes

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

John 1:1 ESV / 4 helpful votes

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Luke 1:47-49 ESV / 4 helpful votes

And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant. For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed; for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.

Psalm 19:1-2 ESV / 4 helpful votes

To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge.

Hebrews 12:6 ESV / 3 helpful votes

For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.”

Hebrews 9:22 ESV / 3 helpful votes

Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins

We do not need proof at all.

God does exist and I know because of this story.

Elijah on Mount Carmel

16 So Obadiah went to meet Ahab and told him, and Ahab went to meet Elijah. 17 When he saw Elijah, he said to him, “Is that you, you troubler of Israel?”

18 “I have not made trouble for Israel,” Elijah replied. “But you and your father’s family have. You have abandoned the Lord’s commands and have followed the Baals. 19 Now summon the people from all over Israel to meet me on Mount Carmel. And bring the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal and the four hundred prophets of Asherah, who eat at Jezebel’s table.”

20 So Ahab sent word throughout all Israel and assembled the prophets on Mount Carmel. 21 Elijah went before the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him.”

But the people said nothing.

22 Then Elijah said to them, “I am the only one of the Lord’s prophets left, but Baal has four hundred and fifty prophets. 23 Get two bulls for us. Let Baal’s prophets choose one for themselves, and let them cut it into pieces and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. I will prepare the other bull and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. 24 Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the Lord. The god who answers by fire—he is God.”

Then all the people said, “What you say is good.”

25 Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, “Choose one of the bulls and prepare it first, since there are so many of you. Call on the name of your god, but do not light the fire.” 26 So they took the bull given them and prepared it.

Then they called on the name of Baal from morning till noon. “Baal, answer us!” they shouted. But there was no response; no one answered. And they danced around the altar they had made.

27 At noon Elijah began to taunt them. “Shout louder!” he said. “Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.” 28 So they shouted louder and slashed themselves with swords and spears, as was their custom, until their blood flowed. 29 Midday passed, and they continued their frantic prophesying until the time for the evening sacrifice. But there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention.

30 Then Elijah said to all the people, “Come here to me.” They came to him, and he repaired the altar of the Lord, which had been torn down. 31 Elijah took twelve stones, one for each of the tribes descended from Jacob, to whom the word of the Lord had come, saying, “Your name shall be Israel.” 32 With the stones he built an altar in the name of the Lord, and he dug a trench around it large enough to hold two seahs[a] of seed. 33 He arranged the wood, cut the bull into pieces and laid it on the wood. Then he said to them, “Fill four large jars with water and pour it on the offering and on the wood.”

34 “Do it again,” he said, and they did it again.

“Do it a third time,” he ordered, and they did it the third time. 35 The water ran down around the altar and even filled the trench.

36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.”

38 Then the fire of the Lord fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.

39 When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, “The Lord—he is God! The Lord—he is God!”

40 Then Elijah commanded them, “Seize the prophets of Baal. Don’t let anyone get away!” They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there.

41 And Elijah said to Ahab, “Go, eat and drink, for there is the sound of a heavy rain.” 42 So Ahab went off to eat and drink, but Elijah climbed to the top of Carmel, bent down to the ground and put his face between his knees.

43 “Go and look toward the sea,” he told his servant. And he went up and looked.

“There is nothing there,” he said.

Seven times Elijah said, “Go back.”

44 The seventh time the servant reported, “A cloud as small as a man’s hand is rising from the sea.”

So Elijah said, “Go and tell Ahab, ‘Hitch up your chariot and go down before the rain stops you.’”

45 Meanwhile, the sky grew black with clouds, the wind rose, a heavy rain started falling and Ahab rode off to Jezreel.

Side: Theism
MuckaMcCaw(1968) Disputed
2 points

The question is....how can the Bible be taken as absolute truth?

Bonus question: Why did you not even try to provide evidence from outside the Bible?

Side: Atheism
Jace(4706) Disputed
1 point

In other words: God exists because God says God exists. Fail.

Side: Atheism
0 points

ALL HAIL GODDESS Artemis - for the PROOF of her existence is mighty... ;)

Proof that Artemis exists (from the Iliad):

•05.051 ...Artemis taught the Trojan, Skamandrios (Scamander), how to strike down all wild things in the mountain forest

•05.053 ...Artemis of the showering arrows could not help Skamandrios (Scamander) when he was killed at Troy

•05.447 ...Artemis and Leto heal Aineias (Aeneas)

•06.205 ...Glaukos (Glaucus) related the story of how Artemis killed Laodameia, the daughter of Bellerophontes (Bellerophon)

•06.427 ...Artemis killed Andromakhe’s (Andromache) mother after Akhilleus (Achilles) had released her for ransom

•09.532 ...Artemis, of the golden chair, was angered at Oineus (Oeneus) for neglecting her in sacrifice and sent a boar to ravage the countryside

•09.536 ...Artemis, the daughter of great Zeus, was denied the first fruits by Oineus (Oeneus)

•09.538 ...Artemis is called ‘Lady of Arrows’

•09.547 ...Artemis caused great anger when the boar was dead and the hunters argued over possession of the boar’s head

•16.183 ...Hermes fell in love with Polymele when he saw her dancing in the choir of clamorous Artemis

•19.059 ...Akhilleus (Achilles) wishes that Artemis had killed Briseis instead of letting her become a point of dissention between himself and Agamemnon

•20.040 ...Apollon, Artemis, Aphrodite, Leto and Xanthos (Xanthus) fought on the side of the Trojans

•20.071 ...Artemis of the showering arrows stood against Hera when the Immortals entered the battle for Troy

•21.470 ...Apollon’s sister, Artemis, scolds him for not fighting Poseidon

•21.472 ...Artemis refers to Apollon as ‘striker from afar’

•21.480 ...Hera says that Artemis is shameless and bold for daring to stand against her in battle

•21.491 ...Hera grabs Artemis and knocks the bow and arrows from her shoulder; Artemis flees in tears

•21.505 ...Artemis, the maiden, bowed at the feet of Zeus

•21.509 ...Zeus speaks to Artemis and asks which of the gods has shamed her

•21.511 ...Artemis answers Zeus and says that Hera hit her during the fighting at Troy

•24.604 ...Akhilleus (Achilles) tells Priam about how Apollon had killed Niobe’s sons and Artemis had killed her daughters

Proof that Artemis exists (from the Odyssey):

•05.123 ...Kalypso (Calypso) reminds Hermes how chaste Artemis had killed Orion with her painless arrows because he was the lover of Eos (Dawn)

•06.102 ...Nausikaa was dancing like Artemis

•06.107 ...Artemis dances with the nymphs in the mountains

•06.151 ...Odysseus compares Nausikaa with the goddess Artemis in beauty and stature

•11.172 ...Odysseus encounters the ghost of his mother, Antikleia (Anticleia), in the Underworld and asks her if she died of illness or by the painless arrows of Artemis

•11.324 ...Artemis killed Ariadne on the island if Dia when Dionysus testified against her

•15.410 ...Apollon and Artemis come to the island of Syria and kill the aged painlessly with silver arrows

•15.478 ...When the swineherd, Eumaios (Eumaeus), was a child, he was kidnapped by Phoenicians with the help of his wicked nurse; Artemis killed her because of her betrayal

•17.037 ...Penelope was as lovely as Artemis or golden Aphrodite

•18.202 ...Penelope wishes that chaste Artemis would give her the peace of death

•19.054 ...Penelope was as lovely as Artemis or golden Aphrodite

•20.060 ...Penelope prays first to Artemis

•20.061 ...Penelope calls upon Artemis, daughter of Zeus, to pierce her heart and ease her pain

•20.071 ...Penelope thinks of the daughters of Pandareos (Pandareus) and how Hera gave them beauty, chaste Artemis gave them stature and Athene (Athena) gave them skill

•20.080 ...Penelope wishes that the gods would make her vanish or that lovely haired Artemis would kill her so she could be with Odysseus in the Underworld

http://messagenetcommresearch.com/myths/ bios/artemis.html

Proof that Artemis exists (from the Plato's Cratylus):

•Artemis is named from her healthy (artemes), well-ordered nature, and because of her love of virginity, perhaps because she is a proficient in virtue (arete), and perhaps also as hating intercourse of the sexes (ton aroton miseasa).

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/cratylus.html

Proof that Artemis exists (from The Theogony of Hesiod):

•(ll. 1-25) From the Heliconian Muses let us begin to sing, who hold the great and holy mount of Helicon, and dance on soft feet about the deep-blue spring and the altar of the almighty son of Cronos, and, when they have washed their tender bodies in Permessus or in the Horse's Spring or Olmeius, make their fair, lovely dances upon highest Helicon and move with vigorous feet. Thence they arise and go abroad by night, veiled in thick mist, and utter their song with lovely voice, praising Zeus the aegis- holder and queenly Hera of Argos who walks on golden sandals and the daughter of Zeus the aegis-holder bright-eyed Athene, and Phoebus Apollo, and Artemis who delights in arrows, and Poseidon the earth-holder who shakes the earth, and reverend Themis and quick-glancing (1) Aphrodite, and Hebe with the crown of gold, and fair Dione, Leto, Iapetus, and Cronos the crafty counsellor, Eos and great Helius and bright Selene, Earth too, and great Oceanus, and dark Night, and the holy race of all the other deathless ones that are for ever. And one day they taught Hesiod glorious song while he was shepherding his lambs under holy Helicon, and this word first the goddesses said to me -- the Muses of Olympus, daughters of Zeus who holds the aegis:

•(ll. 918-920) And Leto was joined in love with Zeus who holds the aegis, and bare Apollo and Artemis delighting in arrows, children lovely above all the sons of Heaven.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/hesiod/theogony.htm

Proof that Artemis exists (from Callimachus - HYMN I. TO ZEUS):

•Thus, smith, we say, belong to Hephaestus; to Ares, warriors; to Artemis of the Tunic, huntsmen; to Phoebus they that know well the strains of the lyre.

Proof that Artemis exists (from Callimachus - HYMN II. TO APOLLO):

•[60] Artemis hunted and brought continually the heads of Cynthian goats and Phoebus plaited an altar.

Proof that Artemis exists (from the Callimachus - HYMN III. TO ARTEMIS):

•[1] Artemis we hymn – no light thing is it for singers to forget her – whose study is the bow and the shooting of hares and the spacious dance and sport upon the mountains;

• And give to me all mountains; and for city, assign me any, even whatsoever thou wilt: for seldom is it that Artemis goes down to the town.

•[28] ... Three times ten cities and towers more than one will I vouchsafe thee – three times ten cities that shall not know to glorify any other god but to glorify the only and be called of Artemis And thou shalt be Watcher over Streets and harbours.

•[98] ... And thou wert suddenly amazed and sadist to thine own heart: “This would be a first capture worthy of Artemis.”

•[109] Artemis, Lady of Maidenhood, Slayer of Tityus, golden were thine arms and golden thy belt, and a golden car didst thou yoke, and golden bridles, goddess, didst thou put on thy deer.

•[233] For thee surely Proetus established two shrines, one of Artemis of Maidenhood for that thou dist gather for him his maiden daughters, when they were wandering over the Azanian hills; the other he founded in Lusa to Artemis the Gentle, because thou tookest from his daughters the spirit of wildness.

•[258] O Lady of Munychia, Watcher of Harbours, hail, Lady of Pherae! Let none disparage Artemis.

http://www.theoi.com/Text/CallimachusHymns1.html#a36

Proof that Artemis exists (from Callimachus - HYMN IV. TO DELOS):

•[228] So she spake and seated her beside the golden throne, even as a hunting hound of Artemis, which, when it hath ceased from the swift chase, sitteth by her feet, and its ears are erect, ever ready to receive the call of the goddess.

Proof that Artemis exists (from the Callimachus - HYMN V. ON THE BATH OF PALLAS):

•[93] ... And yet he shall be companion of the chase to great Artemis.

http://www.theoi.com/Text/CallimachusHymns2.html

Proof that Artemis exists (from Sophocles - Electra):

•Ask the huntress Artemis what sin she punished when she stayed the frequent winds at Aulis; or I will tell thee; for we may not learn from her.

•Now by our lady Artemis, thou shalt not fail to pay for this boldness, so soon as Aegisthus returns.

•Nay, by ever-virgin Artemis, I will never stoop to fear women, stay-at-homes, vain burdens of the ground!

http://classics.mit.edu/Sophocles/electra.html

Proof that Artemis exists (from The History of Herodotus - Book II):

•The Bubastis of the Egyptians is the same as the Artemis (Diana) of the Greeks.

http://classics.mit.edu/Herodotus/history.mb.txt

Proof that Artemis exists (from PAUSANIAS - i):

•[1.1.4] The Athenians have also another harbor, at Munychia, with a temple of Artemis of Munychia, and yet another at Phalerum, as I have already stated, and near it is a sanctuary of Demeter.

•[1.14.5] ... This is the victory of which I am of opinion the Athenians were proudest; while Aeschylus, who had won such renown for his poetry and for his share in the naval battles before Artemisium and at Salamis, recorded at the prospect of death nothing else, and merely wrote his name, his father's name, and the name of his city, and added that he had witnesses to his valor in the grove at Marathon and in the Persians who landed there.

http://www.theoi.com/Text/Pausanias1A.html

•[1.19.6] Across the Ilisus is a district called Agrae and a temple of Artemis Agrotera (the Huntress). They say that Artemis first hunted here when she came from Delos, and for this reason the statue carries a bow.

•[1.21.3] ... This also has a tripod over it, wherein are Apollo and Artemis slaying the children of Niobe.

•[1.23.7] I remember looking at other things also on the Athenian Acropolis, a bronze boy holding the sprinkler, by Lycius son of Myron, and Myron's Perseus after beheading Medusa. There is also a sanctuary of Brauronian Artemis; the image is the work of Praxiteles, but the goddess derives her name from the parish of Brauron. The old wooden image is in Brauron, the Tauric Artemis as she is called.

•[1.26.4] Near the statue of Olympiodorus stands a bronze image of Artemis surnamed Leucophryne, dedicated by the sons of Themistocles; for the Magnesians, whose city the King had given him to rule, hold Artemis Leucophryne in honor.

•[1.29.2] ... As you go down to it you come to a precinct of Artemis, and wooden images of Ariste (Best) and Calliste (Fairest). In my opinion, which is supported by the poems of Pamphos, these are surnames of Artemis.

http://www.theoi.com/Text/Pausanias1B.html

•[1.31.1] ... At Alimus is a sanctuary of Demeter Lawgiver and of the Maid, and at Zoster (Girdle) on the coast is an altar to Athena, as well as to Apollo, to Artemis and to Leto.

•[1.31.4] Such is the legend. Phlya and Myrrhinus have altars of Apollo Dionysodotus, Artemis Light-bearer, Dionysus Flower-god, the Ismenian nymphs and Earth, whom they name the Great goddess;

•[1.31.5] Athmonia worships Artemis Amarysia.

•[1.33.1] XXXIII. At some distance from Marathon is Brauron, where, according to the legend, Iphigenia, the daughter of Agamemnon, landed with the image of Artemis when she fled from the Tauri; leaving the image there she came to Athens also and afterwards to Argos. There is indeed an old wooden image of Artemis here, but who in my opinion have the one taken from the foreigners I will set forth in another place.

•[1.36.1] XXXVI. But I will return to my subject. In Salamis is a sanctuary of Artemis, and also a trophy erected in honor of the victory which Themistocles the son of Neocles won for the Greeks.

•[1.38.6] The Eleusinians have a temple of Triptolemus, of Artemis of the Portal, and of Poseidon Father, and a well called Callichorum (Lovely dance), where first the women of the Eleusinians danced and sang in praise of the goddess.

•[1.40.2] Not far from this fountain is an ancient sanctuary, and in our day likenesses stand in it of Roman emperors, and a bronze image is there of Artemis surnamed Saviour. is a story that a detachment of the army of Mardonius, having over run Megaris, wished to return to Mardonius at Thebes, but that by the will of Artemis night came on them as they marched, and missing their way they turned into the hilly region.

•[1.40.3] ... For this reason they had an image made of Artemis Saviour. Here are also images of the gods named the Twelve, said to be the work of Praxiteles. But the image of Artemis herself was made by Strongylion.

•[1.41.3] Not far from the tomb of Hyllus is a temple of Isis, and beside it one of Apollo and of Artemis.

• ...Alcathous therefore, son of Pelops, attacked the beast and overcame it, and when he came to the throne he built this sanctuary, surnaming Artemis Agrotera (Huntress) and Apollo Agraeus (Hunter).

•[1.41.6] ...Let so much suffice for Alcathous and for the lion, whether it was on Cithaeron or elsewhere that the killing took place that caused him to make a temple to Artemis Agrotera and Apollo Agraeus.

•[1.43.1] ... Now I have heard another account of Iphigenia that is given by Arcadians and I know that Hesiod, in his poem A Catalogue of Women, says that Iphigenia did not die, but by the will of Artemis is Hecate.

• ... A sanctuary of Artemis was made by Agamemnon when he came to persuade Calchas, who dwelt in Megara, to accompany him to Troy.

•[1.44.2] In it is a noteworthy Apollo, Artemis also, and Leto, and other statues, made by Praxiteles.

•[1.44.4] In Pagae a noteworthy relic is a bronze image of Artemis surnamed Saviour, in size equal to that at Megara and exactly like it in shape.

http://www.theoi.com/Text/Pausanias1C.html

Proof that Artemis exists (from PAUSANIAS - vii):

•[7.2.6] ... The sanctuary of Apollo at Didymi, and his oracle, are earlier than the immigration of the Ionians, while the cult of Ephesian Artemis is far more ancient still than their coming.

•[7.6.6] ... A likeness of this Adrastus in bronze was dedicated in front of the sanctuary of Persian Artemis by the Lydians, who wrote an inscription to the effect that Adrastus died fighting for the Greeks against Leonnatus.

http://www.theoi.com/Text/Pausanias7A.html

•[7.18.8] On the acropolis of Patrae is a sanctuary of Artemis Laphria.

•[7.18.9] ... It is said that the goddess was surnamed Laphria after a man of Phocis, because the ancient image of Artemis was set up at Calydon by Laphrius, the son of Castalius, the son of Delphus.

•[7.18.10] Others say that the wrath of Artemis against Oeneus weighed as time went on more lightly (elaphroteron) on the Calydonians, and they believe that this was why the goddess received her surname.

•[7.18.11] Every year too the people of Patrae celebrate the festival Laphria in honor of their Artemis, and at it they employ a method of sacrifice peculiar to the place.

•[7.18.12] The festival begins with a most splendid procession in honor of Artemis, and the maiden officiating as priestess rides last in the procession upon a car yoked to deer.

•[7.19.1] The Ionians who lived in Aroe, Antheia and Mesatis had in common a precinct and a temple of Artemis surnamed Triclaria, and in her honor the Ionians used to celebrate every year a festival and an all-night vigil.

•[7.19.3] The history of Melanippus, like that of many others, proved that love is apt both to break the laws of men and to desecrate the worship of the gods, seeing that this pair had their fill of the passion of love in the sanctuary of Artemis.

• ... Forthwith the wrath of Artemis began to destroy the inhabitants; the earth yielded no harvest, and strange diseases occurred of an unusually fatal character.

• ... The oracle ordered that they themselves should be sacrificed to Artemis, and that every year a sacrifice should be made to the goddess of the fairest youth and the fairest maiden.

•[7.19.6] The sacrifice to Artemis of human beings is said to have ceased in this way.

•[7.20.1] It was in this way that they used to array of old those whom they led to be sacrificed to Artemis.

•[7.20.7] ... Opposite the marketplace by this exit is a precinct and temple of Artemis, the Lady of the Lake.

•[7.24.1] XXIV. By the market-place at Aegium is a temple shared by Apollo and Artemis in common; and in the market-place there is a sanctuary of Artemis, who is represented in the act of shooting an arrow, and also the grave of Talthybius the herald.

•[7.26.3] The Hyperesians gave their city its present name of Aegeira from the goats (aiges), and where the most beautiful goat, which led the others, crouched, they built a sanctuary of Artemis the Huntress, believing that the trick against the Sicyonians was an inspiration of Artemis.

•[7.26.5] There is also a temple of Artemis, with an image of the modern style of workmanship.

•[7.26.11] ... There are sanctuaries of Dionysus and of Artemis.

•[7.27.3] Above the temple of Athena is a grove, surrounded by a wall, of Artemis surnamed Saviour, by whom they swear their most solemn oaths.

•[7.27.4] Near the sanctuary of Apollo is a temple of Artemis, the goddess being represented in the attitude of shooting.

http://www.theoi.com/Text/Pausanias7B.html

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Side: Atheism
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

So now you have the right to live outside of Hell?.........................................

Side: Theism
4 points

There is no concrete proof of God's existence. Even the Bible says, "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him" (Hebrews 11:6). Of course He could prove His existence in a moment if He so desired, but He wants us to come to Him because we want to by faith, not because we can no longer deny His existence.

He has proven His existence in MY life, by answering prayer and performing miracles. And for me, further proof of His existence lies in the minute details that add vitality to all life -- for example, how fragile, yet so perfectly complex, our minds and nervous systems are; or how every little thing serves some purpose in keeping our atmospheres so balanced.

If you're looking for the reason for suffering, why some starve and why others do not, if you're looking for the perfect world -- well, God gave us one and we ruined it by sinning against Him. And even before that, Lucifer created the possibility for sin by attempting to overthrow God. God created us all with freewill -- so why does He need to come down and fix all of our problems on a whim when He never created them, and when we have the means to do it ourselves, but apparently lack the willpower?

Side: Theism
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

If God leaves you to fry like an eternal sausage in Hell, will that prove He exists? No. But it will prove Hell is hot.

Side: Atheism
3 points

Yes God does exist..........................................................................

Side: Theism
AveSatanas(4426) Disputed
4 points

P-P-P- PROOOOOVE IT SUCKA .

Side: Atheism
Jc41218(1560) Disputed
3 points

He in a way has the chances of Jesus Christ not fulfilling all of the prophecy's (351) is almost 1 in infinite.

Side: Theism